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« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2002, 02:24:47 PM »

Just left my credit union:

I can defer my two car payments for up to 90 days with penalty.  (Lifetime of each loan).

Done.

Student Loan can be deferred.

I/P - Will be done today.

I'm checking the credit cards that are in my name to get them deferred.

There are training programs in my state that are I'm eligible for:

Including up to 2 years college "scholarship"

or free MCSE training + Exams

or CCNP training + exams.

I already have the CCNP.

I thought the upgrade to MCSE2K + Exams sounded nice or better yet finish my bachelor's degree while in transit. - I lack three courses.

Whew!

Gotta give up the $1500.00 apartment though!

So I'm going now to ask about my options with them...

And I only have 1 credit card and 1 account with a computer vendor.

So maybe they can either defer or not charge interest during this period of unemployment.


Maybe it's not that bad, for me it's been only three weeks.

But I've ran into others who have been on the sidelines for better than 6-8 months.


Can't take chances.

Meanwhile I've signed up to be a free agent with many of the usual suspects...

I'm still very skilled technically.  Freelance is not so bad and I've done it before...

Pays the bills.

Better than U/C anyway.

Take advantage of the programs if I'm deemed eligible.

Otherwise knockin' on doors and making phone calls...

Hi, it's me can I fix your PC, fix your network, connect your router, program your phones, make your office wireless, wire your office/house, switch your phone carrier and save you some bucks...

Or just build and sell custom PCs.

Life always offers challenges...

It is up to us how we meet them...
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« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2002, 02:35:42 PM »

Still looking...
With all of the experience and knowledge that I took with me I sat for the first 4 MCP exams now have an MCSA.  Nobody gave a damn.  As I was taking the 70-218 got two WAN / LAN interviews, have all of the experience, same equipment and same industry, no CCNP.  DAMN, DAMN, DAMN.  Stopped the MCP exams nobody cared anyway.  Completed the CCNP exams in 6 weeks.  

Now in the past several weeks some interviews.
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« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2002, 01:51:20 PM »

ive been optimistic up till this point. but seeing the stock market crash and all of the resounding horror stories im beginning to wonder. im still going to follow through to my CCIE and if things don't get better by then ill strongly consider saving up for a while and then going to law school to become a patent attorney (intellectual properties).  my brother is a patent attorney and he makes 200k yr, 300k a few years ago with some bonuses he got. he was an industrial engineer in undergrad and says that computer experts with patent law are in high demand. that would be pretty cool managing patents for Cisco. but 3 years on top of all the education i have already and another 40,000 in loans isnt appealing. my mcse was gold a few years ago and now its worthless, could use it for toilet paper.  it appears that the tech market has been and will continue to be a very cyclical market. other industries aren't so cyclical and always have demand, ie patent attorneys.  even in a depression big companies will still fund their R&D departments to get an edge on the competition which results in more patents. they'd be cutting themselves in the throat to cut the R&D budget. and given that computer technologies and the people who support them are now a commodity in surplus, and the life of routers in general(companies only upgrade as they grow) there is no future for us until companies grow again (very cyclical).  i do feel though that once and hopefully sooner than later when the economy recovers there will be a backlog for companies that need new routers, servers and are looking to expand operations further (like the 90s) and when that happens they won't be able to suffice with rookie support and will regret getting rid of their CCIEs. and in order to implement sophisticated WANS for new offices and mergers they're going to need CCIEs and the demand will go way up, and the salary will be 6 figure again.  just my take on things.  i consulted for a company that cut 27% of IT and due to the negativity they lost people they didn't want to leave (loss of loyalty factor). as a result this company had to hire these people for $1,500/day because they were the only people that truely understood their complex network, in other words irreplacable.  ive seen a lot of companies get themselves into trouble because some dick in the budget cutting department doesnt respect IT or what they do.  once they grow, they'll need the experience they canned and will be hurting to find people who can build onto their discontiguous mess of computing platforms and non-standardization.  ok im done, =) a bit long here, just venting i guess
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« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2002, 02:25:06 PM »

Just yesterday my old job decided to convert from OSPF to EIGRP.  With no design document!!!!

Received a couple of calls saying things aren't working why?Huh

Told my old boss I can fix it for them here's my rate... Big Smile here.

Not working today either!!  Bigger Smile.  

BTW, I know why, two minute fix..   Greatest Smile of All.

Now I am not trying to be malevolent.  They shouldn't have moved the damn job to Dallas.
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« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2002, 02:34:20 PM »

Per cciewannabe
I have a MCSA was going to take the last two exams for MCSE.  Most recruiters are saying oh ok, if you want it, but why.

Personally I hate doing things half way.  But right now, being laid-off, I need the job.  After completing the CCNP, the phone started to ring.  Now I take a look at the CCIE and consider it the next step.  

However I also note that a friend of mine acquired his R/S CCIE #7XXX recently now they are in the 9XXX.  1500 - 2000 new CCIEs in a very short time.  Cisco is changing the R/S test I hope to make it more competitive.  Hopefully more diversity will occur with the CCIE tracks that Cisco has created.

I am truly concerned the the PhD of IT will be the next MCSE paper.
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« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2002, 03:03:25 PM »

I was getting ready to gear up for the CCIE written, but the more I look at it the more I`m inclined to try security.
 First a few classes then some lab time and
then CISSP then CCIE security to round it out seems to be a good one year plan.
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« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2006, 04:13:18 PM »

Hey,

Someone mentioned this old, old post to me today and so I read it and what I had said then and how things have happened now, some 4+ years later...

I got a job on July 15th - so I spent about 6 weeks on the bench.

I had a choice a 70K position or a $25.00 hour contract.

I took the contract.  It was more interesting and promised a more involved role.

I also took a $30.00/hour role at night as an instructor for 20 hours per week.

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It worked well - I taught the class for one quarter.  Then I started teaching for $33.00 per hour on contract where I worked after the initial 3 month contract and I was asked to go perm.

I did it for a whopping $38K which got to $47K by the time I left.

But hey, I ran a 50,000 user network for 2.5 years or so...

Great resume filler...

I left for $60K and got a 15% raise after 10 months or so...

I'm getting ready to depart a 14,000 user network for about $95k + bonus as we speak.

So...

Things are not that bleak...

At least not for me...

I failed the CCIE Lab and landed about a $40k increase in salary...

Go figure...

But then, I have a few experiences that are far and wide and not very skinny in the middle.

Good Luck everyone...
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