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« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2002, 07:40:20 AM »

Reading this forum was a real eye opener for me.  Thanks to all who have posted their message.  I was talked into taking the CNAP classes thru my local community college.  With promises of big money.  I've taken the first four semesters and the CCNA (failed the CCNA, passed the semesters with flying colors).  But I wasn't sure this is what I wanted to do.  I enjoy knowing some of the information I have learned in the IT field.  But you all have strengthened my decision not to continue in this line.  Maybe I'll go back to my original line of study.... Or maybe I'll learn to cook hot dogs... Thanks again.
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« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2002, 09:37:08 AM »

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I call dibs on the vegitarian hot dog stand.  After all we need to have variety.  Otherwise the hot dog stands will end up like we all are now.




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« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2002, 10:33:02 AM »

let me know where you are at when you open the stand....
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« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2002, 11:53:04 AM »

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« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2002, 01:06:49 PM »

You forgot thermo dynamics, but you may give a break to those who have endeavored to take on the challenge of Cisco. First, in college, the networking course I took was a joke, they taught a shadow of reality, an open standard. Now SMU has jumped on the bandwagon and offers Cisco classes, but just because you pass in college class with the curves, does not mean you will pass the Cisco test.

I am glad they made the test a bit harder, for me I learned by trial and error, now I am working on a pilot network (lab), this I would advise to all seeking networking. This still does not solve the supply and demand equation, just like many careers in college, they do not tell you the truth about corporate America, including H1-B flooding and how this would effect their career choice, yet, they will take your 40k.

The fact is a well-rounded education is important, go for it and tears it up. Make your choice  wisely, and do the research.

As for money and jobs, it may be who you know and to some degree what you know. You need to find channels of where money flows.

good luck in your quest
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« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2002, 02:45:36 PM »

Sea Dragon,

I agree with most of what you said. As an IT manager, most folks don't realized how much private companies are screwing local pool of candidates with H1B visa's. This has to stop!! We do need unions to take care of high tech folks. Companies are only thinking short term to maximize profits. They pay 5K to INS to make these guys legal and then offer them 60K to be their new CCIE while the local guy is getting the shaft!! if you look at every industry (medical, law or you name it), you can't just come over here and work. They all require you to re certify yourself. This is just not fair. Also 65K may be a lot for some folks, but in bayarea CA (silicon valley) where you pay $1500 for one bedroom its one step away from poverty line, and yes I wouldn't mind working in Kentucky if there is any work, but unfortunately I have no other skills but high tech so I moved to the Mecca!!! Bottom line, high tech folks are screwed, and this is just the beginning, economy will get lot worse since there are tons of Enron's that are yet to be discovered. Get a job with Defense contractor or sign up with FBI, because this President has no plans but to enrich his buddies with more oil contracts in Afghanistan and other areas!! For those of you in houston, get a job with Carlisle group. Its run by George Bush Sr, Bin Ladin Family (except Osama), and James Baker. I am sure soon they will have lots of openings..Seriously!!
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« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2002, 03:26:15 PM »

frank300zx


I am glad that you put the puzzle together, hope this echoes through out this board. I do not want to see the exploitation of the people of our land, or any other land. We must first take care of our house then lead (if they want to be led) the way for others. You truly get it, hopefully others find it.

 Unions started out with good intentions in the 20's, they became corrupt later, and now seem to have a balance but I could be wrong. We have to do some thing, and I close with, the profit motive with servitude to its citizenry, is truly dead. I will take your advice about government work or the Carlisle group (never heard of them) hmmmm
Thanks for your help

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« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2002, 03:54:04 PM »

While snoop may have be a little more harsh than me, I generally agree with what he has to say.  The written was a joke and I didn't work half as hard for the lab as I did for any 200 level or above class in school.  My company has to maintain certified individuals to meet the demands of the vendors and some of the customers still love certified people.  But everyone knows enough people who have the certification with no backing to generally discount certs as a validation of someone's knowledge.  

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« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2002, 08:25:26 AM »

To Wirechild:

I have to reply to something you said in you post about the job fair. I realize things are tough in the IT field, but speaking from the point of view as a medical worker what you heard about nursing and $40 an hour is definately inflated!!! I have been a Registered Respiratory Therapist for 20 years. I have always worked closely with many Registered Nurses. They do not make $40 per hour. Only the most top level management jobs would come close to that. Their pay range is similar to mine and and that of a Physical Therapist. Plus you have the added responsibility of knowing that a mistake in your job could kill someone, where your mistake could bring down the network. Many people unhappy with you, but no one dead.

Only my 2 cents worth.... I am still going to work on the MCSE 2K and see what happens.
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« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2002, 01:58:56 PM »

The good and bad.
My former job was as a Respiratory Therapist 15 years ago, my wife is still an ICU RN.

Both of us earn within $5 / hr of each other.  Mine is higher and salaried, she has the opportunity of overtime.  Generally, each year our income is rather equal.

I got laid off, she is working and with the nursing shortage there is no problem for her getting hours.

My first year, of fifteen years, in IT was accepting the fact that project planning was an ongoing fact.  As a clinician, I was use to only planning to get my patients as well as I could until the next shift came in.  When I left for the day there was no on-call, beepers or work problems to concern me.

Now I needed to plan this week, month, quarter and year in advance.  Project plans & budget were new and a hassle.  Leaving work is not necessarlity leaving it behind.

Michele is definitely correct when we screw up the network nobody dies.  But this is definetly screwed up because when a circuit goes down the IS department certainly hears about it from the hospital administration.  I never remember an administrator coming down to the ICU to berate the staff for loosing something more precious then a damn switch.

To be honest I denitely like the suit coat versus the lab coat.  I personally never want to return to clinical medicine as much as I liked the staff members and patients.

Michele some of the nursing wages in my area are $30-35/hr.  Even heard of $37 for a 12 to 13 hour day.
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« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2002, 03:43:47 AM »

Well guys believe it or not I also got layed off from my company due to many changes that are happening, like I had mentioned before my company was an integrator and they started to lose accounts left and right. My boss decided to let go a few people and I guess they decided to stay with a guy who was making 25k. What I did right after I got the boot was to go to mexico and think over what my next move was going to be. I just came back from mexico a few days ago and have found 0 jobs. I have looked jobs with fellow IT recruiters here and have not found nothing. I really don't care how much company's are paying as long as I don't end up doing something like selling hot dogs in stands like it was mentioned before but the way things are going here in ny is pretty hard. I couldn't believe it when I got called into the room when I was told I no longer work for the company and to think that before back in the days company's used to call for me and tell me if I wanted to work for them and now they are the one's who are rejecting me Smiley The only thing I am happy about is that I atleast took advantage of taking training in different platforms and got out without paying a penny. I do hope I find something soon because I am starting to get frustrated with this sh**.. I also had a chance to go take the CCIE lab but since the company was going to pay it... they cancelled it.. damn jerks!!! I know I could of passed it.... but any way I have to start from scratch again.. back to break and fix :mad:
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« Reply #41 on: June 14, 2002, 04:23:09 PM »

I know the job market is looking grim and has been for sometime. On top of that you look around and you see tech schools pumping out rookies with network specialists certificates by the 100's. The MCSE's value has dropped to pretty much nothing, you can probably make more working in Mcdonald's. Cisco is a flooded area as well, not sure if all the people with Cisco on their resume are realy qualified but they got the cert so who knows. So many kids coming out of those tech schools and none of them can find jobs. I know 3 personally and not one has found a job. They spend 3-4 months looking after tech school and then start to give up and go back to doing whatever it was they were doing before tech-school (airport luggage, restaurant worker and deli worker) Some may find 18-25k entry level jobs but most will not and they will abandon ship and try something else after a few months of looking. Once it happens to enough people word will get out and people will stop attending those schools at that rate they are today and that should help the job market pick up a bit, unfortunalty who knows how long that will take.

Anyways, I am a Network Manager but am considering jumping ship to get into a VOIP position. I think VOIP is going to get bigger and bigger and when it really starts hitting the fans there will be a lot of job opportunites (at least for a few years). then it will be something else. My take on the market is that VOIP is going to be one of the most in demand IT skills in the next 3-5 years.

PS: Does any one have any links to the Gov't visa policies, i'm curious to see just how many IT workers they accept every year. We should start a petition to cut down that number and/or eliminate it.



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« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2002, 02:14:59 PM »

sorry to hear the bad news. Two more of my friends lost their jobs, one desk top support the other in fiber optics. I also heard from a friend that a girl was released from her job, she was sitting next to him when this took place, scary.

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« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2002, 07:15:55 PM »

Lately the only return calls I've been getting are out of state for VoIP/AVVID deployments that pay 100k +


or the flip sideis that I picked up an application to work at 7-11 figuring it may pay better than unemployment till something happens.

Lots of jobs for Call Center People...

What a Career - Get's ya up into nearly the 6 figure range then - WHAM!


And I'm practicing saying:

Do you want fries with that?


Now, I'm no newbie and I've got the certs at the highest level and the skills to go with em'

But it looks like I'll be going to work at -11 and Wendy's to finance my ad campaign to become get some consultant business again...

That's about wha it has resulted to...


Good New I charge $125.00 per hour to small-medium networks to do the same things I do for larger networks... for 60-80k

What I life...

Maybe it is for the better...

Funds are starting to drain...

Still got 5 possibilities out of state, waiting on a couple of resumes in-state and a few projects here and there...


I am becoming well-versed in the AVVID Arcitecture, though...

Imagine getting a job at Mickey D's and as a FRY-Boy and then setting up an International AVVID Solution for them and all for minimum wage pay...

Go figure...


Such is life...

I do have my "Will route for food" sign ready...
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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2002, 08:30:55 AM »

Actually the benifits at McD's are pretty good.

Left the military a while back and jumped into the real world. My biggest mistake was pannicking and taking a job to cover my benifits.

Most people who are unemployeed can get medical costs at a reduced rate for a while. and if you are collecting unemployment you can survive.  

Check you major health care web sites to find out.  COBRA is the program.

I never went on unemployment, but took a job at a local lumber company.  Pretty big mistake. Good to work, but I wish I could have had that time back to finish up some certs.  Plus don't overlook some time to relax ( if that's possible)

I'm convinced that things will turn, but not as soon as we would like.

By the way the outlook for IT in Pittsburgh. We have about 4 entries in this weekend's paper. All for programmers with AIX experience.  Jump on monster.com and user to keywords CCNP. CCNA MSCE etc in your resume. Possible contract work will contact you ( typically head hunters)

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