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« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2001, 02:24:14 PM »

JimHalliday,

How would someone go about completing a C.V. if they were changing careers, obviously their recent job history would not be so relevant.
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« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2001, 02:33:00 PM »

Great comments, Jim!
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« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2001, 05:29:24 PM »

I know exactly how you feel.
Subscribe to CW360.com and Silicon.com whom provide an excellent job notification facility summarising vacancies from most of the UKs top IT employment agencies. Typically I receive between 10 and 40 relevant vacancies a day although it has dried up this last week with the pending xmas holidays.
On the other hand though I think that some agencies advertise fictional jobs in order to pull in CVs so that they may increase their candidate base. They are out to make a fast buck after all.
Ive applied for positions im perfect for in every respect only to be told that the vacancy was filled yet the same advert crops up week in week out.
Ive applied for hundreds of posts with only very limited response. 90% of these positive responses are from the recruitment collumns in local newspapers. At least you know these vacancies are geniune, there are no recruitment consultants to vet you out in between and you get to know who the end employer is. Unfortunately these adverts are few and far between.
If its any consolation, Ive 3 years experience as IT manager in a bespoke military network system with 12 months at 2 nights a week going to college to get the certifications, A mortgage and a wife and 2 kids to support and im still looking. I know people that have landed a job first application, first interview by doing nothing more than passing an exam from a downloaded braindump and getting lucky.
Dont give up, I dont intend to. It has to pick up in the new year!
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« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2001, 07:10:31 PM »

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JimHalliday,

How would someone go about completing a C.V. if they were changing careers, obviously their recent job history would not be so relevant.


I used to think that before I changed careers. Now as a recruiter I like to see things like managerial or sales experience from a previous job. We, as a company, are also big on military experience so we like to see that as well.

Whatever work history you have is cool. It's just the hobbies and things I can do without.
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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2001, 10:23:58 PM »

I can understand your frustration, here's my story....
I have 8 years IT expirience (admin, tech writer, network engineer, and last technology specialist for Active Directory). That is no small feat.
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I'm MCSE 4.0 and 2000, CCNA, A+, Network +
I only have one more year to go until I have my BS in CI.
I lost my job 6 months ago in a round of IT layoffs here in Seattle.
Since then I've applied (using my professionally written resume)to over 5000 internet postings, and 1000 newspaper postings.
I have recieved hundereds of calls, and thousands of rejections, but only 8 interviews.
The results of those interviews were broad, from not having the qualifications for entry level positions, to being overqualified for engineering positions. (HUH?)
I have a theory...
A few years ago I worked for a company that regularly advertised positions in the paper, the hitch was, they already had their choice made before the ad was ever put to bed. They still did the interviews though (for some BS legal reason).
In tough times, positions will be filled by friends and family, long before a stranger.
I think this is happening all over the place.

I have just come to accept that the market is extremely tight right now, and I think it will stay that way for another 6 months.

The moral of my diatribe?
It's not what you know, it's who you know.
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« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2001, 10:56:48 PM »

It's not a theory.  Many job "postings" aren't really for jobs or are for jobs already filled.  (Legal stuff... it's better to advertise than to not.)

If all you do is answer ads, your chances aren't very good.  And if you send out the exact same resume no matter what the position is... well, your chances get worse.
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« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2001, 01:40:39 PM »

I agree with the last few posts its not what you know, its who you know .
Another approach thats been recommended is to take any unrelated job within a company to get the foot through the door.
If the companies big enough it may be easier then to move sideways internally into their IT department from another department in the same company.
If its a complete career change or environment change, in my case from a military environment into the commercial sector with relocation from one end of the country to the other then the networking approach is not so easy.
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« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2001, 03:51:42 PM »

I too am in your situation, but I have no commercial experience.  I was in the forces for 12 years as a mechanic.  The last 7 of them, included becoming interested in computing.  So I was a computer support hobbiest.  I decided to leave her majesties service, so in the last year obtained a few quals for my IT knowledge.  I am now MCSE NT4, CNA 5, CCNA 2, A+, N+ and am studying for MCSE 2000 and MCSA.  I have been trying to get a job in Germany, but as I am British I have no 2 year Ausbildungs (training) or a degree, so I keep getting refused.  I am still looking though, and keep hoping to be picked up.
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« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2001, 06:45:40 AM »

Heres what I think...

I worked for 5 years in Telecoms (network engineering/implementation WAN) without any quals...

Yes, getting job is hard...

1. Some of your paper quals arent worth the paper they are written on...A+ is a joke...its an IT entry thing...

2. CCNA is not worth anything unless it is backed up with experience. I resigned from the job, I used those skills in and got the cert 2 years later without touching a router or switch....how hard is that???

3. Employers are very unlikely to employ a non-resident...there is too much paper work...and many dont last the distance

4. If you want to do support/installs you need to do a bootcamp if you dont have the experience...put your money where your mouth is...

5. A couple of small short term jobs wont cut it...show loyalty in your first couple of jobs...

6. Long term, get yourself a degree...and not one of those bullshit "life" university things

my 2c...but it prob wont help first job hunters...sorry
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« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2001, 07:33:14 AM »

Thanks again all, your suggestions have been taken onboard.

Also, I have now decided to remove the online resume since too much advice can be a bad thing too.

I have a date set for another interview sometime during early Jan - I'll keep you updated on my situation.
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« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2001, 09:20:44 AM »

Let me recommend a book Ive read that seems to relate to your feelings and results in your job search approach.    ǣWhat Color Is You Parachutes? by Richard Nelson Bolles

Good Luck
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