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« on: October 08, 2003, 05:08:41 PM »

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F29C8006-3058-44DB-8705-B06417F9838F.htm

I guess the 'new era' definition of 'good guy' dictates that torture is now part of American culture/society. How long before this novel change is introduced to prisons inside the continental U.S.?

I wonder what it is like to have your fingernails peeled back in the land of the free?

Also, Syria says it will fight back to the best of its ability. Its not surprising that the Sharon government attacks people who are not well enough armed to fight back and then calls it self defense.

Its too bad that there isnt some sort of surgical device tht could be used to simply wipe out the Israeli government and allow some sane people to take over in their place...

for that matter, the same holds true for the govt of the U.S.
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2003, 05:12:49 PM »

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I guess the 'new era' definition of 'good guy' dictates that torture is now part of American culture/society. How long before this novel change is introduced to prisons inside the continental U.S.?

I wonder what it is like to have your fingernails peeled back in the land of the free?

Also, Syria says it will fight back to the best of its ability. Its not surprising that the Sharon government attacks people who are not well enough armed to fight back and then calls it self defense.

Its too bad that there isnt some sort of surgical device tht could be used to simply wipe out the Israeli government and allow some sane people to take over in their place...

for that matter, the same holds true for the govt of the U.S.


Freedom schmeedom, that's all rhetoric. It all boils down to political power. No leaders in any country give a damn about ethics.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2003, 05:31:01 PM »

When you say sane, you don't mean Arafat sane do you?
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2003, 05:48:48 PM »

Here we go again.

Let's see where that info came from. Oh my god it's anti-American al Jazeera and me? I dunno...!
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2003, 06:12:45 PM »

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Let's see where that info came from. Oh my god it's anti-American al Jazeera and me? I dunno...!


When did pro freedom and pro democracy and pro decency, and for that matter pro humanity, become anti American?

and when did the International Committee of the Red Cross become anti American? and what about the American Civil Liberties Union? when did they become anti American?

and when did the right to a fair trial, or for that matter any trial at all, become anti American?

there is not one person currently being held hostage in guantanmo bay that is not a civilian until proven otherwise, and there is not one of them that has been given a trial to reach that determination.

What is it about this scenario, a blatant repeat of the events leading up to the holocaust, that has most of the Jews of the world looking the other direction and ignoring it?

Were the Arabs behind the holocaust? Was it wealthy Arab bankers who financed Hitler?
Nonsense!, it was wealthy Jews who financed Hitler.

This whole ongoing debauchery of the world is nothing more than a religious war being waged without authority by a delinquent and illegitimate American government, one that has blatantly violated the separation of church and state requirement, and the sooner Americans see the light and be rid of these savages, the better.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2003, 06:23:37 PM »

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When you say sane, you don't mean Arafat sane do you?


When Arafat chooses to use military superiority to annex Jewish land and undertakes a concerted effort to eliminate the capacity for Israel to form and maintain a government or societal infrastructure, then I would have no choice but to see him as a genocidal murderer/terrorist the same a Sharon.

The above however, is really misrepresentative because the likelyhood of the tables being turned are remote at this point. The Israeli's have no intent to cease their activities,the predominantly Jewish government of America has committed itself to supporting this Jewish religious war even if it means the collapse of predominantly non-Jewish America.
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2003, 06:24:21 PM »

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When did pro freedom and pro democracy and pro decency, and for that matter pro humanity, become anti American?


After a bunch of cowards slammed a plane in to two towers a couple of blocks down from me. Perhaps you heard of them? That station the subway passes everyday used to be World Trade Center/Cortlandt St. station.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2003, 06:47:56 PM »

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After a bunch of cowards slammed a plane in to two towers a couple of blocks down from me. Perhaps you heard of them? That station the subway passes everyday used to be World Trade Center/Cortlandt St. station.


Thats a good point Rus, and it brings up some important questions, firstly, there is a group of (mainly wives) of people killed in those towers that have been trying to get an explanation of how all those commercial airplanes managed to make dramatic deviations from their flightplans and then break radio communication without any of the thousands of people on the ground, assigned to monitor such things, noticing.

They have been met with nothing but contempt from your government.

The connection between people in Guantanamo bay and the WTC is nothing more than speculation, I could easily say with every bit as much conviction that it was the Bush government that arranged 9/11, but then many people wouldnt believe that without proof... why is it that the burden of proof does not apply when people are arbitrarily labelled enemies by the Bush administration?

And how is it that those 4 planes went on their respective joyrides for close to 2 hours without anybody noticing?

So much for getting an Fwhatever in the air in 3 minutes...

Bush has made great gains on his claimed committment to protect America, that is after his government looked the other way while America took the worst hit in its history.

The debate over the Bush administration's  complicity in 9/11 is far from over.
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2003, 11:19:37 PM »

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The connection between people in Guantanamo bay and the WTC is nothing more than speculation, I could easily say with every bit as much conviction that it was the Bush government that arranged 9/11, but then many people wouldnt believe that without proof... why is it that the burden of proof does not apply when people are arbitrarily labelled enemies by the Bush administration?


That's the most insane thing I've ever heard. You think Bush is behind 9/11?? What kind of weed you smoking? Was it government issused? It's no secert the Taliban back bin Laden along with our "friends" in Saudi Arabia.

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And how is it that those 4 planes went on their respective joyrides for close to 2 hours without anybody noticing?


Probably because the FAA hires idiots much similiar to MTA New York City Transit employees.
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2003, 04:13:50 AM »

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It's no secert the Taliban back bin Laden along with our "friends" in Saudi Arabia.


Not 'our' friends in Saudi, 'Bush's' friends in Saudi.

ever heard of playing both sides against the middle?

Wolfowitz had already determined that a event of national disaster status was necessary to gain public support for the wars he had planned to wage, he made his plan publicly known prior to 9/11, it was shown on national television in Canada and was no doubt readily available anywhere in the world, let me guess, you havn't seen it because CNN didnt think it was a 'relevant' story?

9/11 provided public support for those wars by creating the national emergency he had said would be required to initiate the religious wars he is trying to cover under the guise of fighting the terrorism that Wolfowitz himself put in a global public requisition for.
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2003, 04:46:59 AM »

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Here we go again.

Let's see where that info came from. Oh my god it's anti-American al Jazeera and me? I dunno...!


Propoganda is used by both sides, both good and evil to gain support of the people.

We can't say that it is or isn't true as none of us are there, or ever likely to be, you're hardly going to see CNN reporting that the prisoners are being tortured much the same as Al Jazeera are hardly going to say that the prisoners are having a whale of a time sipping Pina Coladas while having manicures.

Recently Tony Blair stated that he felt vindicated and proud of his actions in the Invasion of Iraq, a slight Freudiant slip I think as pre the war he was telling us it wasn't an invasion force going in to Iraq but a Liberation force, it's so easy to be lied to and not notice, because of your beliefs.
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2003, 07:23:45 AM »

it's like in 1984 by geordie orwell, where there was the history department that altered documents as countries fell in and out of war with eachother.
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2003, 08:36:00 AM »

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After a bunch of cowards slammed a plane in to two towers a couple of blocks down from me. Perhaps you heard of them? That station the subway passes everyday used to be World Trade Center/Cortlandt St. station.


It is your American legislators that are anti-democracy, not the half-wits who slammed into the WTC.
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2003, 09:41:56 AM »

I'd say forceably taking over an aircraft and slamming it into the WTC is a fairly undemocratic thing to do.
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2003, 09:45:39 AM »

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I'd say forceably taking over an aircraft and slamming it into the WTC is a fairly undemocratic thing to do.


And using this as an excuse to reduce the freedoms once protected by the bill of rights is also quite an undemocratic thing to do, wouldn't you say?
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