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1  General discussions / Certifications and IT jobs/Salaries / Any cert that's a "slam-dunk" on: July 06, 2003, 01:08:27 AM
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Originally posted by Kasor
If anyone received a MBA from those college and unemployed!!!

Something is wrong! The networking that those college have almost 100% guarantee their graduated to receive a job offer....


Kasor,

I agree with that statement.  However, just because you leave with a job doesn't mean that you will always have a job. The specific case I am talking about was in one of the Bay Area papers. My point is that a top grade education doesn't mean you won't become unemployed, and that you might not be able to find a job.  

I have also heard of and know personally several people from Stanford who have been unemployed for 12 months, including one friend who was out for almost 15 (former B of A VP).  Thanks.
2  General discussions / Certifications and IT jobs/Salaries / Value of a degree vs. certs? on: July 05, 2003, 03:59:01 PM
I have read all of the posts and articles here with interest.  One area I think might benefit people who have experience, that I have not heard anyone mention is project management.  Two articles which discuss this are here:

http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2003/0519/web-train-05-20-03.asp

http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2003/0505/news-forman-05-05-03.asp

Now are realize we are talking about the government, but I think their are valid points here.

With respect to college degrees, most places I have applied are less fussy than some of the folks have discussed here.  I also think that one of the big things to realize is ensure the college is regionally accredited, which is considered the gold standard.  

As far as online or traditional, I have been a finalist for several top level positions (Deputy CIO and CIO) and the subject has never even come up.  People want to know what you can doto get them where you want to go.  

I am almost finished with my online Masters degree, which requires that every class have a project, which is 50% of my grade.  I have the approval of my CIO and CTO to write all of my projects on work related subjects (most of which they can choose).  Do you think that this gets their attention?  You are damn right it does!!  

Some of the subjects I have written on are proposals for deploying corporate instant messaging and geographic information systems, which Wharton School of Business believes is the likely source of the next big tech boom.

As for online schools, the following programs have online MBAs and their costs:

Duke - $80,000 (Top 5 on USA Today list)
Drexel - $40,000 (Top 10 on USA Today list)
Wharton - $125,000 (Top 5 on USA Today list)

While some of these are not 100% online, ie require some residency, like 6 weeks over the total degree time, do you think that people will question them?

In my experience with online learning, I have found it to be harder in some respects, because you aren't sitting in a classroom.  This requires more communication, not less.  I am not trying to slam anyone here, just pointing out my own experiences.  Thanks.
3  General discussions / Certifications and IT jobs/Salaries / Re: Re: Any cert that's a "slam-dunk" on: July 05, 2003, 03:30:32 PM
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Originally posted by ANDRONDA
Harvard MBA


I'll tell you - I have heard stories in S.F about people with Harvard and Wharton MBAs that are unemployed!!

No to be the bearer of bad news, but I went to a PMI meeting a few months ago (PMI is the parent organization of the Project Management Professional certification).  I had never been and invited one of my fellow project managers to go along.  We left early, because half of the people there were looking or jobs.  I wanted to be around people to network with.

As for the earlier comments, I feel that just having a cert without the experience is useless.  I was one of those people who had tons of experience, and rapidly achieved alot of certs because of that.  But I think the days of getting certified without education to back it up are long gone, which is why I am working on my Masters, and just finished a 2nd BS degree in Business.

If you don't have experience, I recommend that you try to find a non-profit or volunteer organization where you can gain some.  While you may not get paid for it, if you do a good job, you will likely get a great reference while learning.

Another place to look is the government, especially the federal government.  Regardless of your politics, because of the age of many government employees, now and for the next five years there will be tremendous opportunities.  It might require you to move, but for both those with and without experience, there should be a shot.
Look at http://www.federaljobsearch.com and see what I mean.  

Since the government always lags private industry, people at the higher levels are finally "getting it" and if you have or can develop the right skill sets, I think you would stand an excellent chance.  Plus former military may have preference.

Areas where I see quite a need are in security, database, e-government and others.  Plus once you are through your probationary period, you generally don't get laid off, at least not in the IT field.
Hope this helps!
4  General discussions / Certifications and IT jobs/Salaries / What certs do you have and what is your job function? on: May 01, 2003, 12:54:37 AM
I work as a Senior Network Analyst in local government.  I also have over 20 years of IT experience from my previous Navy career, where I was a Project Manager.  I once managed a $200 million project for over 5 years.

The certs are listed to the left.  I pull down high 5 figures and have a highly political job, working for elected officials.

I have a BS in Computer Technology, finishing a BS in Business Operations Management, and am also in a MS program in IT.

I also work with enterprise projects such as corporate IM, and E-government app development.
5  Certified Internet Webmaster / Certified Internet Webmaster - CIW / Delay in getting my Certificate on: March 11, 2003, 12:04:13 AM
You will be fine LOL!!! This is standard imho.  I remember receiving a bunch of cert stuff after I shouldn't have and thought it was funny.  Good luck!!
6  Other IT certifications / CISSP / About CISA. on: March 11, 2003, 12:01:02 AM
I have also been talked to about getting this cert, and am considering it.  Thoughts?
7  CompTIA / Other CompTIA certifications / Why Project+ on: March 09, 2003, 12:34:51 PM
Hey Mad Chef,

IF you decide to do that, let me know.  I also have thought about giving it a shot, between finishing a 2nd BS in business and my masters.  MAybe we can chat about it.
8  CompTIA / Other CompTIA certifications / Pmp on: March 09, 2003, 12:32:42 PM
Lightyears.  The PMP requires a tremendous amount of effort and prerequisites.  These can be found at http://www.pmi.org.  IT Project + is similar to any Comptia exam for the most part.  Example - PMP requires verifiable experience up to 7500 hours depending on education.  It also requires classroom training.  It and the CISSP were the two hardest tests I have ever taken.  The PMP is written pyschonetrically so even if you are an expert in the field of PMI, you are not going to ace this.  Study materials for the PMP are found at http://www.rmcproject.com

It is not unusual for companies to pay more for PMPs or even to require it for employment, because they know that you understand the PMBOK and can generally walk the walk and talk the talk.  Hope this helps!
9  CompTIA / Other CompTIA certifications / CTT+ Exam Query on: March 09, 2003, 12:25:53 PM
4tech,

Glad to hear it!  Told you that Robin knew his stuff.  Of course I know him fairly well and he lives out here in the Bay Area.  I see you live on the Island.  I grew up in Little Italy.  Good luck!
10  CompTIA / Other CompTIA certifications / CTT+ Exam Query on: February 25, 2003, 10:05:54 AM
I to;d you it was extremely helpful!!  Glad you enjoyed it!
11  CompTIA / Other CompTIA certifications / CTT+ Exam Query on: February 10, 2003, 09:44:26 PM
I took the class from Advanced Tecknowledgey Professionals and it was a tremendous help.  From what I understand the book has some of the same materials that helped me pass.

The hard part for me was the video, which was where the class helped alot.  Good luck!
12  Other IT certifications / CISSP / Taking the test on: January 28, 2003, 09:56:31 PM
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Originally posted by freak
that's an impressive list of certs...


Surely you jest (are you talking about me??)

Not that I am addicted, I actually have stopped while I work on the Masters.

Thanks if you were talking about me - if not what can I tell you.  Some watch the Sopranos on TV some lived it as a child.
13  Other IT certifications / CISSP / Re: I passed on: January 28, 2003, 03:15:28 AM
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Originally posted by mickeyzalewski
The test was more difficult than I expected and it took me all of about 4 1/2 hours.
I am really glad that I studied and read as much as I did.
Thanks for the encouragement from all in this forum.


My head hurt for a couple of days after that test!!  But I had the same thing happen on the
PMP, too.  I now am working on a Master's because it is easier!!!!  Good luck!
14  CompTIA / Security+ / Is security+ considered an entry level cert? on: January 28, 2003, 03:11:43 AM
Well imho, I am unsure where this falls into the mix.  At my level, the only things people have seemed to care about are the upper level certs.  I say this not because I have some, but simply because as I have looked for greener pastures, CISSP, PMP, Cisco are really the only ones I have ever been asked about.

My personal feelings are I hope that this cert will help others break into the industry.  

Good luck !!
15  Other IT certifications / CISSP / Passed CISSP on: January 14, 2003, 12:10:43 PM
Welcome to the club!  I remember how relieved I was when I got the letter that I passed on my birthday (waited 3 weeks).  Now the real work begins imho.  Just being certified gets you to a point, what you know and can do for an employer gets you the job.
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