Previously (Back in 1999) Microsoft used to give free MSDN and Technet+
Subscriptions as a benefit to premium certifications such as MCSD, MCSE
Now, these days, they are reduced to some discounts only.
For MSDN subscription, they are not even 50% discount.
I hope Microsoft can revive this benefit once again or atleast can
increase discounts. Especially MSDN Library edition is so important
to all Microsoft certification pursuers. a free or 50% subscription
will do a lot of help.

I hope many newsgroup members support this.

R Tang

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Go away and take it up with microsoft.

If you or the company are too tight to buy an msdn subscription, you
should not be developing systems for the microsoft platforms.

>Previously (Back in 1999) Microsoft used to give free MSDN and Technet+
>Subscriptions as a benefit to premium certifications such as MCSD, MCSE
>Now, these days, they are reduced to some discounts only.
>For MSDN subscription, they are not even 50% discount.
>I hope Microsoft can revive this benefit once again or atleast can
>increase discounts. Especially MSDN Library edition is so important
>to all Microsoft certification pursuers. a free or 50% subscription
>will do a lot of help.
>
>I hope many newsgroup members support this.
>
>R Tang
>

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Do not worry about me. I had my resources as well as MSDN.
And FYI, I took it up to MCPHelp. They respond
positively for opinions and comments. When we call benefits, we should feel
they are.
Anyway Microsoft also giving some discounts already.

You may have a company or money to support yourself. It should not
hurt anybody if we are talking about for the benefit of a community.

"Alan Davis" <.> wrote in message
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> Go away and take it up with microsoft.
>
> If you or the company are too tight to buy an msdn subscription, you
> should not be developing systems for the microsoft platforms.
>
> >Previously (Back in 1999) Microsoft used to give free MSDN and Technet+
> >Subscriptions as a benefit to premium certifications such as MCSD, MCSE
> >Now, these days, they are reduced to some discounts only.
> >For MSDN subscription, they are not even 50% discount.
> >I hope Microsoft can revive this benefit once again or atleast can
> >increase discounts. Especially MSDN Library edition is so important
> >to all Microsoft certification pursuers. a free or 50% subscription
> >will do a lot of help.
> >
> >I hope many newsgroup members support this.
> >
> >R Tang
> >
>

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>Do not worry about me. I had my resources as well as MSDN.
>And FYI, I took it up to MCPHelp. They respond
>positively for opinions and comments. When we call benefits, we should feel
>they are.

Don't understand you, sorry.

>Anyway Microsoft also giving some discounts already.

Of course they do, we all know that. If you look around there are even
better discounts for their products.

>You may have a company or money to support yourself. It should not
>hurt anybody if we are talking about for the benefit of a community.

No communalism dead. Like it or not you are on your in the big bad
capital world - Nothing is free.

I play soccer, so do I expect Puma or Niki to give me free boots? No.

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Alan,
There is no point to argue on this. Everybody has
some source to get the MSDN library. Mr. Tang was just
proposing and not filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to
get a free MSDN subscription.

Moreover if you become an MCDBA, it was told by Microsoft
that MCDBAs get benefits. Since Microsoft was providing
the benefit of free MSDN subscriptions for one year, Mr.
Tang was just proposing the same benefit.

And it is nowhere mentioned by Puma and Nike that if you
become a soccer player you get these benefits but
Microsoft has mentioned that you get certain benefits by
becoming a MCDBA.

Anyway I guess we should just make healthy communications
in this forum rather.....

Just my two cents

Sam

>-----Original Message-----
>>Do not worry about me. I had my resources as well as
MSDN.
>>And FYI, I took it up to MCPHelp. They respond
>>positively for opinions and comments. When we call
benefits, we should feel
>>they are.
>
>Don't understand you, sorry.
>
>>Anyway Microsoft also giving some discounts already.
>
>Of course they do, we all know that. If you look around
there are even
>better discounts for their products.
>
>>You may have a company or money to support yourself. It
should not
>>hurt anybody if we are talking about for the benefit of
a community.
>
>No communalism dead. Like it or not you are on your in
the big bad
>capital world - Nothing is free.
>
>I play soccer, so do I expect Puma or Niki to give me
free boots? No.
>.
>

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"Sam" <s_maharana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> And it is nowhere mentioned by Puma and Nike that if you
> become a soccer player you get these benefits but
> Microsoft has mentioned that you get certain benefits by
> becoming a MCDBA.

I've never heard about Puma/Nike Certified Soccer Players.

Danut

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First of all his thread has been cross posted to the mcsd & mcse ng's.
Other replies have suggested that MS 'give away' msdn subscription's
which include operating systems, I find that ridicules.

My first reply (in the mcsd ng) was to point out that the msdn library
is available online for free.

What gets up my goat is that through these certification ng's, all you
see is requests for 'free this' & 'free that', 'please can someone
send me free tests'. My point is this, software development is not a
kids game, it is what enables business to business with each other.
For 'professionals' the price of the msdn (even universal) is
excellent value for money.

My point about football boots was simply to point out that in the
capitalist world, marketing tactics are employed to give your company
the edge over your rivals thus to increase sales and eventually
increase profits. Before Niki become a big brand name in football
boots, they used to supply one of the teams I played for with boots at
cut price. Once they become bigger they did not need to employ that
marketing tactic, so no more cheap boots.


On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:51:03 -0800, "Sam" <s_maharana@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Alan,
> There is no point to argue on this. Everybody has
>some source to get the MSDN library. Mr. Tang was just
>proposing and not filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to
>get a free MSDN subscription.
>
>Moreover if you become an MCDBA, it was told by Microsoft
>that MCDBAs get benefits. Since Microsoft was providing
>the benefit of free MSDN subscriptions for one year, Mr.
>Tang was just proposing the same benefit.
>
>And it is nowhere mentioned by Puma and Nike that if you
>become a soccer player you get these benefits but
>Microsoft has mentioned that you get certain benefits by
>becoming a MCDBA.
>
>Anyway I guess we should just make healthy communications
>in this forum rather.....
>
>Just my two cents
>
>Sam
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Do not worry about me. I had my resources as well as
>MSDN.
>>>And FYI, I took it up to MCPHelp. They respond
>>>positively for opinions and comments. When we call
>benefits, we should feel
>>>they are.
>>
>>Don't understand you, sorry.
>>
>>>Anyway Microsoft also giving some discounts already.
>>
>>Of course they do, we all know that. If you look around
>there are even
>>better discounts for their products.
>>
>>>You may have a company or money to support yourself. It
>should not
>>>hurt anybody if we are talking about for the benefit of
>a community.
>>
>>No communalism dead. Like it or not you are on your in
>the big bad
>>capital world - Nothing is free.
>>
>>I play soccer, so do I expect Puma or Niki to give me
>free boots? No.
>>.
>>

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I failed five times! No transcender's or brain dumps!

>I've never heard about Puma/Nike Certified Soccer Players.
>
>Danut
>

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"Alan Davis" <.> wrote in message
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> First of all his thread has been cross posted to the mcsd & mcse ng's.
> Other replies have suggested that MS 'give away' msdn subscription's
> which include operating systems, I find that ridicules.
>
> My first reply (in the mcsd ng) was to point out that the msdn library
> is available online for free.
>
> What gets up my goat is that through these certification ng's, all you
> see is requests for 'free this' & 'free that', 'please can someone
> send me free tests'.

Hey! we are not asking for FREE. We are asking what M$ so called "Premium
Benifits" when we gain certs. And it is not the same like someone asking for
FREE Transcender or FREE Microsoft eBooks. Think different.

> My point is this, software development is not a
> kids game, it is what enables business to business with each other.
> For 'professionals' the price of the msdn (even universal) is
> excellent value for money.
>

Yeah, maybe true for the those develoeprs who are not certified by
Microsoft.

> My point about football boots was simply to point out that in the
> capitalist world, marketing tactics are employed to give your company
> the edge over your rivals thus to increase sales and eventually
> increase profits. Before Niki become a big brand name in football
> boots, they used to supply one of the teams I played for with boots at
> cut price. Once they become bigger they did not need to employ that
> marketing tactic, so no more cheap boots.
>

They still provide free shirts and boots as "sponsor" in the World Cup
Scoccer and other various sports, if you don't know that. And they are not
the only company.

>
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:51:03 -0800, "Sam" <s_maharana@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Alan,
> > There is no point to argue on this. Everybody has
> >some source to get the MSDN library. Mr. Tang was just
> >proposing and not filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to
> >get a free MSDN subscription.
> >
> >Moreover if you become an MCDBA, it was told by Microsoft
> >that MCDBAs get benefits. Since Microsoft was providing
> >the benefit of free MSDN subscriptions for one year, Mr.
> >Tang was just proposing the same benefit.
> >
> >And it is nowhere mentioned by Puma and Nike that if you
> >become a soccer player you get these benefits but
> >Microsoft has mentioned that you get certain benefits by
> >becoming a MCDBA.
> >
> >Anyway I guess we should just make healthy communications
> >in this forum rather.....
> >
> >Just my two cents
> >
> >Sam
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>>Do not worry about me. I had my resources as well as
> >MSDN.
> >>>And FYI, I took it up to MCPHelp. They respond
> >>>positively for opinions and comments. When we call
> >benefits, we should feel
> >>>they are.
> >>
> >>Don't understand you, sorry.
> >>
> >>>Anyway Microsoft also giving some discounts already.
> >>
> >>Of course they do, we all know that. If you look around
> >there are even
> >>better discounts for their products.
> >>
> >>>You may have a company or money to support yourself. It
> >should not
> >>>hurt anybody if we are talking about for the benefit of
> >a community.
> >>
> >>No communalism dead. Like it or not you are on your in
> >the big bad
> >>capital world - Nothing is free.
> >>
> >>I play soccer, so do I expect Puma or Niki to give me
> >free boots? No.
> >>.
> >>
>

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Well said David.

Henry

"David Bowman" <noway@noserver.com> wrote in message
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> Inline...
>
> "Alan Davis" <.> wrote in message
> news:vtta2vciqif88gsic267v6go4
jjv0r2fi0@4ax.com...
> > First of all his thread has been cross posted to the mcsd & mcse ng's.
> > Other replies have suggested that MS 'give away' msdn subscription's
> > which include operating systems, I find that ridicules.
> >
> > My first reply (in the mcsd ng) was to point out that the msdn library
> > is available online for free.
> >
> > What gets up my goat is that through these certification ng's, all you
> > see is requests for 'free this' & 'free that', 'please can someone
> > send me free tests'.
>
> Hey! we are not asking for FREE. We are asking what M$ so called "Premium
> Benifits" when we gain certs. And it is not the same like someone asking
for
> FREE Transcender or FREE Microsoft eBooks. Think different.
>
> > My point is this, software development is not a
> > kids game, it is what enables business to business with each other.
> > For 'professionals' the price of the msdn (even universal) is
> > excellent value for money.
> >
>
> Yeah, maybe true for the those develoeprs who are not certified by
> Microsoft.
>
> > My point about football boots was simply to point out that in the
> > capitalist world, marketing tactics are employed to give your company
> > the edge over your rivals thus to increase sales and eventually
> > increase profits. Before Niki become a big brand name in football
> > boots, they used to supply one of the teams I played for with boots at
> > cut price. Once they become bigger they did not need to employ that
> > marketing tactic, so no more cheap boots.
> >
>
> They still provide free shirts and boots as "sponsor" in the World Cup
> Scoccer and other various sports, if you don't know that. And they are not
> the only company.
>
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:51:03 -0800, "Sam" <s_maharana@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Alan,
> > > There is no point to argue on this. Everybody has
> > >some source to get the MSDN library. Mr. Tang was just
> > >proposing and not filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to
> > >get a free MSDN subscription.
> > >
> > >Moreover if you become an MCDBA, it was told by Microsoft
> > >that MCDBAs get benefits. Since Microsoft was providing
> > >the benefit of free MSDN subscriptions for one year, Mr.
> > >Tang was just proposing the same benefit.
> > >
> > >And it is nowhere mentioned by Puma and Nike that if you
> > >become a soccer player you get these benefits but
> > >Microsoft has mentioned that you get certain benefits by
> > >becoming a MCDBA.
> > >
> > >Anyway I guess we should just make healthy communications
> > >in this forum rather.....
> > >
> > >Just my two cents
> > >
> > >Sam
> > >
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>Do not worry about me. I had my resources as well as
> > >MSDN.
> > >>>And FYI, I took it up to MCPHelp. They respond
> > >>>positively for opinions and comments. When we call
> > >benefits, we should feel
> > >>>they are.
> > >>
> > >>Don't understand you, sorry.
> > >>
> > >>>Anyway Microsoft also giving some discounts already.
> > >>
> > >>Of course they do, we all know that. If you look around
> > >there are even
> > >>better discounts for their products.
> > >>
> > >>>You may have a company or money to support yourself. It
> > >should not
> > >>>hurt anybody if we are talking about for the benefit of
> > >a community.
> > >>
> > >>No communalism dead. Like it or not you are on your in
> > >the big bad
> > >>capital world - Nothing is free.
> > >>
> > >>I play soccer, so do I expect Puma or Niki to give me
> > >free boots? No.
> > >>.
> > >>
> >
>
>

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