Just to throw the cat amoung the pigeons...

How many letters should you put after your name?

My remember once I interviewed a guy who claimed he was an MCP, MCSE,
MSCE (I) and a couple of others. When I explained to him that the
first few were just prequalifiers for the last he got all indignant
and told me that he'd earned the right to use all those titles.

I thought it just made him look like a wanker.

So what about in the Cisco world? Does it really mean anything to be a
"CCNA, CCNP, CCIE"? By my thinking, logic, the CCNA is redundant,
because its a prerequirement for the CCNP, but in theory at least you
can earn a CCIE without anything having sat anything else. Having said
that, how many CCIEs don't have the knowledge to pass the CCNP? Does
that make the CCNP redundant?

Matt. BSc(Phys. Hons I. USyd), PhD(failed), SCNA, CCNP(almost)

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CCNA = Cisco certified network amateur = realy nothing
CCNP = Cisco Certification Not possible = nothing
CCIE = Cisco Certification is Expensive = that's a certification !!



"Schmuck" <yamahasw40@latinmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just to throw the cat amoung the pigeons...
>
> How many letters should you put after your name?
>
> My remember once I interviewed a guy who claimed he was an MCP, MCSE,
> MSCE (I) and a couple of others. When I explained to him that the
> first few were just prequalifiers for the last he got all indignant
> and told me that he'd earned the right to use all those titles.
>
> I thought it just made him look like a wanker.
>
> So what about in the Cisco world? Does it really mean anything to be a
> "CCNA, CCNP, CCIE"? By my thinking, logic, the CCNA is redundant,
> because its a prerequirement for the CCNP, but in theory at least you
> can earn a CCIE without anything having sat anything else. Having said
> that, how many CCIEs don't have the knowledge to pass the CCNP? Does
> that make the CCNP redundant?
>
> Matt. BSc(Phys. Hons I. USyd), PhD(failed), SCNA, CCNP(almost)

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"Schmuck" <yamahasw40@latinmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just to throw the cat amoung the pigeons...
>
> How many letters should you put after your name?
>
> My remember once I interviewed a guy who claimed he was an MCP, MCSE,
> MSCE (I) and a couple of others. When I explained to him that the
> first few were just prequalifiers for the last he got all indignant
> and told me that he'd earned the right to use all those titles.
>
> I thought it just made him look like a wanker.
>
> So what about in the Cisco world? Does it really mean anything to be a
> "CCNA, CCNP, CCIE"? By my thinking, logic, the CCNA is redundant,
> because its a prerequirement for the CCNP, but in theory at least you
> can earn a CCIE without anything having sat anything else. Having said
> that, how many CCIEs don't have the knowledge to pass the CCNP? Does
> that make the CCNP redundant?
>
> Matt. BSc(Phys. Hons I. USyd), PhD(failed), SCNA, CCNP(almost)

Well, I guess technically speaking the guy did earn the rights to those
titles, so I suppose he is allowed to do what he's doing, although I agree
it makes him look like a pretentious fool.

The CCNP does in fact cover ground that the CCIE does not cover (for
example, analog dial), so I suppose technically speaking there would be some
CCIE's who can't pass the CCNP. But for the most part I think it's
redundant.

I think the best mark of confidence is to not put any designations behind
your name and let your knowledge and accomplishments speak for themselves.
Vint Cerf doesn't need to put any letters after his name. Neither does Bob
Kahn. Those guys don't need to prove anything. I think that people who
list their letters after their name are a bit insecure.

But at least that guy isn't fabricating a cert like other people I see
here - like the infamous mythical "CCIE-written" cert, which Cisco has
emphatically said does not exist, but a lot of people seem to list after
their name anyway. Heck, if you're going to permit the CCIE-written, which
doesn't exist, then what's to stop the next person from making up another
designation that doesn't exist? Next, you'll have people claiming to be
CCIE-A (A for attempted, for people who have tried but failed the written),
and CCIE-P (P for prospective, for people who haven't even tried the
written, but just thought about attempting it). Hey, I have a PhD-P, law
degree-P, medical degree-P, and and MBA-P, all from Harvard.

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"Schmuck" <yamahasw40@latinmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just to throw the cat amoung the pigeons...
>
> How many letters should you put after your name?
>


Jonathan
NNCSE, NNCSS (x3), CCNP, CCDP, CCNA, CCDA, MCSE NT4, MCSE Win2K, MCP+I, MCP,
A+

Is that too many?

I really should get some more...


BA, AAS, ...


Let's see if anyone can figure out what these are!

AAM, GCM, NDSM, ASR, OSR, NCOPD...

I am not looking at Hansang for the answer...


> My remember once I interviewed a guy who claimed he was an MCP, MCSE,
> MSCE (I) and a couple of others. When I explained to him that the
> first few were just prequalifiers for the last he got all indignant
> and told me that he'd earned the right to use all those titles.
>
> I thought it just made him look like a wanker.
>
> So what about in the Cisco world? Does it really mean anything to be a
> "CCNA, CCNP, CCIE"? By my thinking, logic, the CCNA is redundant,
> because its a prerequirement for the CCNP, but in theory at least you
> can earn a CCIE without anything having sat anything else. Having said
> that, how many CCIEs don't have the knowledge to pass the CCNP? Does
> that make the CCNP redundant?
>

Yes... because some idiotic human resources puke will not recognize a CCDP
.... but will key in on a CCNA...

Also, there are smart systems out there looking for keywords... so, if they
want a CCNA, and you have a CCNP, but don't mention the CCNA, you get
boinkerated.



Jonathan


> Matt. BSc(Phys. Hons I. USyd), PhD(failed), SCNA, CCNP(almost)

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In article <aufqvr01k5e@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Jonathan"
<jrcdehc@nospam.nospam.\hotmail.com> says...
[snip]
> Let's see if anyone can figure out what these are!
>
> AAM, GCM, NDSM, ASR, OSR, NCOPD...
> I am not looking at Hansang for the answer...

That'd be too easy. What...no MSM?? DSC?!?

As to the original poster's question, I guess it's up to the individual.
I will agree that CCNA *and* CCNP is a bit redundant.

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In article <omKO9.466178$WL3.124857@rwcrnsc54>, noglikirf@hotmail.com
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[snip]
> Hey, I have a PhD-P, law
> degree-P, medical degree-P, and and MBA-P, all from Harvard.

You too!! I thought I was the only one!

Actually, I once saw "CCNP -1" As in one more test needed for the NP
cert. Needless to say, that guy didn't get to the interview process.

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You are right, it just makes them look like wankers. Those prequalifiers are
a trivial waste of space and make you look very dumb. Thats why I never
include such things as MCP, MCP+I, CCNA, CCDA and MOUS... would make me look
dumb.

bobwonky
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B.Sc.(Applied Mathematics, Hons. I)
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"Schmuck" <yamahasw40@latinmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just to throw the cat amoung the pigeons...
>
> How many letters should you put after your name?
>
> My remember once I interviewed a guy who claimed he was an MCP, MCSE,
> MSCE (I) and a couple of others. When I explained to him that the
> first few were just prequalifiers for the last he got all indignant
> and told me that he'd earned the right to use all those titles.
>
> I thought it just made him look like a wanker.
>
> So what about in the Cisco world? Does it really mean anything to be a
> "CCNA, CCNP, CCIE"? By my thinking, logic, the CCNA is redundant,
> because its a prerequirement for the CCNP, but in theory at least you
> can earn a CCIE without anything having sat anything else. Having said
> that, how many CCIEs don't have the knowledge to pass the CCNP? Does
> that make the CCNP redundant?
>
> Matt. BSc(Phys. Hons I. USyd), PhD(failed), SCNA, CCNP(almost)

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hmmm, interesting...

Yoshi
MSCS, BSCS, Senior High, Junior High, Elementary, Kindergarten

"Schmuck" <yamahasw40@latinmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just to throw the cat amoung the pigeons...
>
> How many letters should you put after your name?
>
> My remember once I interviewed a guy who claimed he was an MCP, MCSE,
> MSCE (I) and a couple of others. When I explained to him that the
> first few were just prequalifiers for the last he got all indignant
> and told me that he'd earned the right to use all those titles.
>
> I thought it just made him look like a wanker.
>
> So what about in the Cisco world? Does it really mean anything to be a
> "CCNA, CCNP, CCIE"? By my thinking, logic, the CCNA is redundant,
> because its a prerequirement for the CCNP, but in theory at least you
> can earn a CCIE without anything having sat anything else. Having said
> that, how many CCIEs don't have the knowledge to pass the CCNP? Does
> that make the CCNP redundant?
>
> Matt. BSc(Phys. Hons I. USyd), PhD(failed), SCNA, CCNP(almost)

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"Hansang Bae" <uonr@alp.ee.pbz> wrote in message
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> In article <aufqvr01k5e@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Jonathan"
> <jrcdehc@nospam.nospam.\hotmail.com> says...
> [snip]
> > Let's see if anyone can figure out what these are!
> >
> > AAM, GCM, NDSM, ASR, OSR, NCOPD...
> > I am not looking at Hansang for the answer...
>
> That'd be too easy. What...no MSM?? DSC?!?
>

I was just a CPL in a place that didn't believe in recognizing anything or
anyone... and the whole combat thing was for units that were not mine...

> As to the original poster's question, I guess it's up to the individual.
> I will agree that CCNA *and* CCNP is a bit redundant.
>

depends...


J


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Originally posted by trevor
You are right, it just makes them look like wankers. Those prequalifiers are
a trivial waste of space and make you look very dumb. Thats why I never
include such things as MCP, MCP+I, CCNA, CCDA and MOUS... would make me look
dumb.

bobwonky
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