where they ask you about your confidence within the different networking
areas
(eg. how would you rate your knowledge of FrameRelay).

Are those question in any way related to the actual exam???

The reason I'm asking:
a couple of weeks ago I answered all this questions saying "yeah I'm the
king" (sort of)
and failed the CIT. I've taken it again this morning and passed (pretty easy
questions compared to the first exam)
This time I answered all the question saying "I've no f&$'n idea what this
is about".

Anyone a similar experience?
And where do this 300 points come from. remember?
They say: passing score 776 (on a scale of 300 to 1000)
strange isn't it?

any comment welcome

cheers
Gerry

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On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:00:23 +0100, "Gerry" <gekob@utanet.at> wrote:

>where they ask you about your confidence within the different networking
>areas
>(eg. how would you rate your knowledge of FrameRelay).
>
>Are those question in any way related to the actual exam???

Not in the sense you are asking.

>The reason I'm asking:
>a couple of weeks ago I answered all this questions saying "yeah I'm the
>king" (sort of)
>and failed the CIT. I've taken it again this morning and passed (pretty easy
>questions compared to the first exam)
>This time I answered all the question saying "I've no f&$'n idea what this
>is about".

Then you just happen to have a strange set of knowledge/experience
that made one exam seem easier than the other. The difficulty is
supposed to be equal among exams.

I *do* know what those questions are for though. They have no impact
on your score or anything. What they do is allow Cisco to asses after
the fact whether or not you should have passed or failed the exam.
This allows them to gather statistics and determine whether they made
the exam too easy or too difficult. If too many "networking gods" are
failing, then they need to lower the passing score or remove some of
the questions that all the gods seem to be getting wrong. The
converse is true too.

>Anyone a similar experience?
>And where do this 300 points come from. remember?
>They say: passing score 776 (on a scale of 300 to 1000)
>strange isn't it?

I don't know where the 300 comes from exactly (other than checking in
at the desk), but I can assure you it has nothing to do with those
confidence questions.



--Bernie

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The test itself is simply not dynamic in nature to use those questions in the way you describe

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so then why dont they put the survey at the end? this way there is no
chance that the test can be created based on your answers to the
survey questions. with them before, there is a natural assumption
that how you answer the survey will affect what questions you get,
even if that is not the case. just my $0.02

-nick

Bernie <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message news:<49E2091344C07EE7.CEC64BC11A6A46AB.ADD94B4A4AACE23E@lp.airnews.net>...
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:00:23 +0100, "Gerry" <gekob@utanet.at> wrote:
>
> >where they ask you about your confidence within the different networking
> >areas
> >(eg. how would you rate your knowledge of FrameRelay).
> >
> >Are those question in any way related to the actual exam???
>
> Not in the sense you are asking.
>
> >The reason I'm asking:
> >a couple of weeks ago I answered all this questions saying "yeah I'm the
> >king" (sort of)
> >and failed the CIT. I've taken it again this morning and passed (pretty easy
> >questions compared to the first exam)
> >This time I answered all the question saying "I've no f&$'n idea what this
> >is about".
>
> Then you just happen to have a strange set of knowledge/experience
> that made one exam seem easier than the other. The difficulty is
> supposed to be equal among exams.
>
> I *do* know what those questions are for though. They have no impact
> on your score or anything. What they do is allow Cisco to asses after
> the fact whether or not you should have passed or failed the exam.
> This allows them to gather statistics and determine whether they made
> the exam too easy or too difficult. If too many "networking gods" are
> failing, then they need to lower the passing score or remove some of
> the questions that all the gods seem to be getting wrong. The
> converse is true too.
>
> >Anyone a similar experience?
> >And where do this 300 points come from. remember?
> >They say: passing score 776 (on a scale of 300 to 1000)
> >strange isn't it?
>
> I don't know where the 300 comes from exactly (other than checking in
> at the desk), but I can assure you it has nothing to do with those
> confidence questions.
>
>
>
> --Bernie

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On 11 Dec 2002 13:46:58 -0800, ngc2@lehigh.edu (nick) wrote:

>so then why dont they put the survey at the end? this way there is no
>chance that the test can be created based on your answers to the
>survey questions. with them before, there is a natural assumption
>that how you answer the survey will affect what questions you get,
>even if that is not the case. just my $0.02

I've taken some exams where they *are* at the end. On one hand you
make a good point about the questions being at the end, but on the
other hand, if you put them at the end, people rush through and check
the first answer they see just so they can get to see their score
ASAP. That doesn't lead to a valid survey either.

I'd also have to say that if a person *seriously* thinks that they
will get an easier exam by saying they are a rank newbie, then they
aren't even at the level of human intelligence--lower primate is more
like it. Those people shouldn't be passing at all. Like Cisco would
want newbies to have an easier time passing just because they are
newbies--chaaa, right.

>Bernie <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message news:<49E2091344C07EE7.CEC64BC11A6A46AB.ADD94B4A4AACE23E@lp.airnews.net>...
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:00:23 +0100, "Gerry" <gekob@utanet.at> wrote:
>>
>> >where they ask you about your confidence within the different networking
>> >areas
>> >(eg. how would you rate your knowledge of FrameRelay).
>> >
>> >Are those question in any way related to the actual exam???
>>
>> Not in the sense you are asking.
>>
>> >The reason I'm asking:
>> >a couple of weeks ago I answered all this questions saying "yeah I'm the
>> >king" (sort of)
>> >and failed the CIT. I've taken it again this morning and passed (pretty easy
>> >questions compared to the first exam)
>> >This time I answered all the question saying "I've no f&$'n idea what this
>> >is about".
>>
>> Then you just happen to have a strange set of knowledge/experience
>> that made one exam seem easier than the other. The difficulty is
>> supposed to be equal among exams.
>>
>> I *do* know what those questions are for though. They have no impact
>> on your score or anything. What they do is allow Cisco to asses after
>> the fact whether or not you should have passed or failed the exam.
>> This allows them to gather statistics and determine whether they made
>> the exam too easy or too difficult. If too many "networking gods" are
>> failing, then they need to lower the passing score or remove some of
>> the questions that all the gods seem to be getting wrong. The
>> converse is true too.
>>
>> >Anyone a similar experience?
>> >And where do this 300 points come from. remember?
>> >They say: passing score 776 (on a scale of 300 to 1000)
>> >strange isn't it?
>>
>> I don't know where the 300 comes from exactly (other than checking in
>> at the desk), but I can assure you it has nothing to do with those
>> confidence questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Bernie


--Bernie

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Regarding those surveys that preface tests ( Cisco ), I always play
dumb. In other words, I lie. This is a waste of my time. I came to
take the test, not to assist a bankrupt method of assessing competancy
be tweeked for improvement. Revolution not evolution.

Has anyone really read through the lengthy legalese information you
have to agree to before you can procede to the test questions? Well, I
haven't. We all know what its about. Curiously, I noticed for my last
test that the legalese crap is actually part of the test. Test time
begins ticking away before you agree. Sure, go ahead, read the whole
thing. Make sure you know what your agreeing to. Tick-tick, tick-tick,
tick-tick................

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In article <8678389f.0212121459.e4b1ea0@posting.google.com>, wysiwyg21
@yahoo.com says...
[snip]
> Has anyone really read through the lengthy legalese information you
> have to agree to before you can procede to the test questions? Well, I
> haven't.

So that's why you haven't paid me, eh? In there, you'll find that everyone
who takes a test must pay me $50USD (via paypal). What can I say..it's the
law!


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On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:58:01 GMT, Hansang Bae <uonr@alp.ee.pbz> wrote:

>In article <8678389f.0212121459.e4b1ea0@posting.google.com>, wysiwyg21
>@yahoo.com says...
>[snip]
>> Has anyone really read through the lengthy legalese information you
>> have to agree to before you can procede to the test questions? Well, I
>> haven't.
>
>So that's why you haven't paid me, eh? In there, you'll find that everyone
>who takes a test must pay me $50USD (via paypal). What can I say..it's the
>law!

Missing smiley? :-)

Tom

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On 12 Dec 2002 14:59:14 -0800, wysiwyg21@yahoo.com (Bob Smith) wrote:

>Regarding those surveys that preface tests ( Cisco ), I always play
>dumb. In other words, I lie. This is a waste of my time. I came to
>take the test, not to assist a bankrupt method of assessing competancy
>be tweeked for improvement. Revolution not evolution.

If you want revolution then how come you are taking the tests? That
is not a typical revolutionary's stance. Revolutionaries overturn the
system by abhorring it and disregarding it, not playing the system in
hopes of changing it from within. That would be an evolutionist's
tactic.

Despite what you say, you are not a revolutionist. If I'm not
mistaken you have posted similar comments before. Hey, I am not
necessarily trying to defend the system--I just dislike false
pretenses and have little respect for people that call for others to
revolt on their behalf while not taking action themselves: "Ok, you
guys revolt and overturn the system...meanwhile, I'll be over here
with my number 2 pencil taking my little test so I can benefit from
the system that I am telling you is so egregious..." Could you
imagine the Boston teaparty'er who actually went back to his home
behind closed doors and secretly paid his taxes so that the redcoats
wouldn't come knocking on *his* door, or William Wallace playing both
sides of the fence by secretly paying tribute to Longshanks while
telling his countrymen how terrible Longshanks was? Real men put
their money where their mouth is.

Despite what I think of the system, I would never call for a
revolution I wasn't prepared to take part in. So be a man and revolt
if you are going to call for revolution. Be first in line to not take
the tests. Do it at personal cost--that is what revolution is all
about. Revolution is not about being some sniveling little weasel
that takes the exams, advances their career on the backs of
certification programs, and then calls for the dismantling of the same
(meanwhile continuing to take those exams thinking that lying on the
questionnaire is doing their part in "the great cause"). That is what
Benedict Arnold is all about, not John Hancock.

Pathetic, really...

--Bernie

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>
> If you want revolution then how come you are taking the tests? That
> is not a typical revolutionary's stance. Revolutionaries overturn the
> system by abhorring it and disregarding it, not playing the system in
> hopes of changing it from within. That would be an evolutionist's
> tactic.
>
> Despite what you say, you are not a revolutionist. If I'm not
> mistaken you have posted similar comments before. Hey, I am not
> necessarily trying to defend the system--I just dislike false
> pretenses and have little respect for people that call for others to
> revolt on their behalf while not taking action themselves: "Ok, you
> guys revolt and overturn the system...meanwhile, I'll be over here
> with my number 2 pencil taking my little test so I can benefit from
> the system that I am telling you is so egregious..." Could you
> imagine the Boston teaparty'er who actually went back to his home
> behind closed doors and secretly paid his taxes so that the redcoats
> wouldn't come knocking on *his* door, or William Wallace playing both
> sides of the fence by secretly paying tribute to Longshanks while
> telling his countrymen how terrible Longshanks was? Real men put
> their money where their mouth is.
>
> Despite what I think of the system, I would never call for a
> revolution I wasn't prepared to take part in. So be a man and revolt
> if you are going to call for revolution. Be first in line to not take
> the tests. Do it at personal cost--that is what revolution is all
> about. Revolution is not about being some sniveling little weasel
> that takes the exams, advances their career on the backs of
> certification programs, and then calls for the dismantling of the same
> (meanwhile continuing to take those exams thinking that lying on the
> questionnaire is doing their part in "the great cause"). That is what
> Benedict Arnold is all about, not John Hancock.
>
Bernie, would it make you feel better if I had said "reconstruction
not evolution"? No more historical references, please. I like
pretense. False pretense more so. I love rhetoric. Now that we are
completely off the subject, are you having fun yet?

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