Rob wrote:

> I'm sure a lot of you Linux people who really don't want people learning
> or using YOUR o/s will have a problem with this:
> http://news.com.com/2010-1071-96575...rt=dht&tag=npro
> --
> Remove SPAM to reply


Oh go crawl back to your overhyped, over priced buggy windows box .

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Jason wrote:

> Rob wrote:
>
>> I'm sure a lot of you Linux people who really don't want people learning
>> or using YOUR o/s will have a problem with this:
>> http://news.com.com/2010-1071-96575...rt=dht&tag=npro
>> --
>> Remove SPAM to reply
>
>
> Oh go crawl back to your overhyped, over priced buggy windows box .

Pah Linux just as buggy... why I've had....erm..... ummmm ....hmmm .... well
I've had zero crashes but I'm sure one year I will

Simon.

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> > Oh go crawl back to your overhyped, over priced buggy windows box .
>
> Pah Linux just as buggy... why I've had....erm..... ummmm ....hmmm ....
well
> I've had zero crashes but I'm sure one year I will
>
> Simon.

I think it's fair to say that Linux is just as buggy - all software is
buggy. But what matters is the severity of the bugs and the frequency at
which they would cause the user to tear their hair out while using a
computer. I have a dual boot WinXP / Linux system and I have to say that
Microsoft have been getting better at writing software. Nobody can deny that
Windows has come a long way since Windows 3.1 , and that Windows XP is much
more stable and faster than its previous versions. Of course, having said
that, Linux has been getting better and better too. But as for bugs? I find
them on both.

Windows hangs completely sometimes yes. I get blue screens and random
resets. This is mainly due to dodgy hardware drivers. In Linux - i've had
lockups too. These are mainly in X and due also mainly to graphics drivers.
Linux advocates have previously bashed me for blaming Linux by saying "it's
your card manufacturer that produces crap drivers and doesn't release them
to the OpenSource community that causes the problems - it's not Linux" (I
use an NVidia card). Yes, true - but all the same, it crashes - and to an
end user that's all that matters. A crash is a crash. But one can't deny
that for certain bits of hardware, manufacturers are reluctant to release
linux drivers or indeed hardware specifications because they don't see a big
enough market for it. Though yes, this is improving.

Don't tell me you've never found quirks with an X application? Cutting and
pasting was once a nightmare. I get random program failures quite often in
X... more so than in Windows in fact. Though my system on the whole hangs
much less in Linux. It's fair to say that the base linux system is very
stable - but X does cause a lot of problems. And let's face it - for most
productivity purposes one would use X and not the console. If you say you
get no crashes, I can only suspect you're not using your system for much.

- or maybe it's just me.

Terence

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"Terence Parker" <terence@cyberparker.com> wrote in message
news:8RwB9.8494$B92.919540@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net... [colo
r=darkred]
> > > Oh go crawl back to your overhyped, over priced buggy windows box .
> >
> > Pah Linux just as buggy... why I've had....erm..... ummmm ....hmmm ....
> well
> > I've had zero crashes but I'm sure one year I will
> >
> > Simon.
>
> I think it's fair to say that Linux is just as buggy - all software is
> buggy. But what matters is the severity of the bugs and the frequency at
> which they would cause the user to tear their hair out while using a
> computer. I have a dual boot WinXP / Linux system and I have to say that
> Microsoft have been getting better at writing software. Nobody can deny[/color]
that
> Windows has come a long way since Windows 3.1 , and that Windows XP is
much
> more stable and faster than its previous versions. Of course, having said
> that, Linux has been getting better and better too. But as for bugs? I
find
> them on both.
>
> Windows hangs completely sometimes yes. I get blue screens and random
> resets. This is mainly due to dodgy hardware drivers. In Linux - i've had
> lockups too. These are mainly in X and due also mainly to graphics
drivers.
> Linux advocates have previously bashed me for blaming Linux by saying
"it's
> your card manufacturer that produces crap drivers and doesn't release them
> to the OpenSource community that causes the problems - it's not Linux" (I
> use an NVidia card). Yes, true - but all the same, it crashes - and to an
> end user that's all that matters. A crash is a crash. But one can't deny
> that for certain bits of hardware, manufacturers are reluctant to release
> linux drivers or indeed hardware specifications because they don't see a
big
> enough market for it. Though yes, this is improving.
>
> Don't tell me you've never found quirks with an X application? Cutting and
> pasting was once a nightmare. I get random program failures quite often in
> X... more so than in Windows in fact. Though my system on the whole hangs
> much less in Linux. It's fair to say that the base linux system is very
> stable - but X does cause a lot of problems. And let's face it - for most
> productivity purposes one would use X and not the console. If you say you
> get no crashes, I can only suspect you're not using your system for much.
>
> - or maybe it's just me.
>
> Terence
>
>

Terrence,,, you dare to speak evil about Linux...prepare to be FLAMED. I'm
sure any problem you have with Linux is due to your ignorance and stupidity,
not the O/S. I have been trying to learn Linux now for a few months and I am
actually impressed. The biggest turnoff I have found is this newsgroup. The
people are generally..um...assholes. That is the only way to put it. I read
post after post and mostly all they ever get is insulted and told to RTFM
and STFW. My apologies to those who actually help. If the experts really
wanted THEIR o/s to prosper they would be less confrontational. I hate to
come in here and post questions. I always search and try to find what I am
looking for so I don't have to hear their shit. Well at least you won't be
the only one getting flamed, but I feel better.

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Rob wrote:

>
> "Terence Parker" <terence@cyberparker.com> wrote in message
> news:8RwB9.8494$B92.919540@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
>> > > Oh go crawl back to your overhyped, over priced buggy windows box .
>> >
>> > Pah Linux just as buggy... why I've had....erm..... ummmm ....hmmm ....
>> well
>> > I've had zero crashes but I'm sure one year I will
>> >
>> > Simon.
>>
>> I think it's fair to say that Linux is just as buggy - all software is
>> buggy. But what matters is the severity of the bugs and the frequency at
>> which they would cause the user to tear their hair out while using a
>> computer. I have a dual boot WinXP / Linux system and I have to say that
>> Microsoft have been getting better at writing software. Nobody can deny
> that
>> Windows has come a long way since Windows 3.1 , and that Windows XP is
> much
>> more stable and faster than its previous versions. Of course, having said
>> that, Linux has been getting better and better too. But as for bugs? I
> find
>> them on both.
>>
>> Windows hangs completely sometimes yes. I get blue screens and random
>> resets. This is mainly due to dodgy hardware drivers. In Linux - i've had
>> lockups too. These are mainly in X and due also mainly to graphics
> drivers.
>> Linux advocates have previously bashed me for blaming Linux by saying
> "it's
>> your card manufacturer that produces crap drivers and doesn't release
>> them to the OpenSource community that causes the problems - it's not
>> Linux" (I use an NVidia card). Yes, true - but all the same, it crashes -
>> and to an end user that's all that matters. A crash is a crash. But one
>> can't deny that for certain bits of hardware, manufacturers are reluctant
>> to release linux drivers or indeed hardware specifications because they
>> don't see a
> big
>> enough market for it. Though yes, this is improving.
>>
>> Don't tell me you've never found quirks with an X application? Cutting
>> and pasting was once a nightmare. I get random program failures quite
>> often in X... more so than in Windows in fact. Though my system on the
>> whole hangs much less in Linux. It's fair to say that the base linux
>> system is very stable - but X does cause a lot of problems. And let's
>> face it - for most productivity purposes one would use X and not the
>> console. If you say you get no crashes, I can only suspect you're not
>> using your system for much.
>>
>> - or maybe it's just me.


It's just you Terence. X can have it problems but I've never managed to get
the OS to crash, no matter how much I screwed it up.

>>
>> Terence
>>
>>
>
> Terrence,,, you dare to speak evil about Linux...prepare to be FLAMED. I'm
> sure any problem you have with Linux is due to your ignorance and
> stupidity, not the O/S. I have been trying to learn Linux now for a few
> months and I am actually impressed. The biggest turnoff I have found is
> this newsgroup. The people are generally..um...assholes. That is the only
> way to put it. I read post after post and mostly all they ever get is
> insulted and told to RTFM and STFW. My apologies to those who actually
> help. If the experts really wanted THEIR o/s to prosper they would be less
> confrontational. I hate to come in here and post questions. I always
> search and try to find what I am looking for so I don't have to hear their
> shit. Well at least you won't be the only one getting flamed, but I feel
> better.


lol, I love watching trolls justifying what they call an opinion. Better
then watching the news and watching a politician getting caught in a lie.

And you should read the XXXXing manual if you're having that much trouble
with anything.

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:15:59 +0800, Terence Parker wrote:

[-snip-]
> Don't tell me you've never found quirks with an X application? Cutting and
> pasting was once a nightmare. I get random program failures quite often in
> X... more so than in Windows in fact. Though my system on the whole hangs
> much less in Linux. It's fair to say that the base linux system is very
> stable - but X does cause a lot of problems. And let's face it - for most
> productivity purposes one would use X and not the console. If you say you
> get no crashes, I can only suspect you're not using your system for much.
>
> - or maybe it's just me.
>
> Terence

There's a terrible large difference between third party software
and an entire operating system. If I write you a program that
segfaults under Linux, is that Linux's fault? No! If I write a
similar program, which not only crashes the progra, but also
your windows machine, that's the operating systems fault!
There's not a lot of programs out there which can crash an entire
Linux box, as you say, mainly it is the X server that goes belly
up. I bet I can find tonnes of buggy software for Windows that
can crash the whole OS. And *thats* the difference.
A locked up X is far from a locked up system.

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==> ipv6: http://erik.fearmuffs.net/~erik/

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Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:15 pm will from hence forward be known as the day Terence
Parker blabbered:

> Don't tell me you've never found quirks with an X application? Cutting and
[...snip...]
> - or maybe it's just me.

It's definately not just you.

X applications do crash under some circumstances, but if you ever look at the
actual crash you will notice it isnt the entire system (as in windows) or the
entire X environment, but it is only an application crash.

If you consider the application that crashed you will probably find that it
A) Belongs to KDE
B) Belongs to GNome
C) Is running under Wine.

Doing some *heavy* testing ive managed to crash nautilus, konqueror, and an
entire wine session (of about 5 running programs). I think once I crashed
KMail and KNode doing some large NG download and email at the same time.

The thing too note here is that
A) Ive never heard of X crashing
B) I cant imagine anyone crashing a console app
C) Besides power failure, a linux system should only go down when the user
-- tells it too (with the exception of buggy hardware, such as hdd's and not
-- syncing their I/O).

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On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 00:08:03 +0000, Jason wrote:

> Rob wrote:
>
>
>> "Terence Parker" <terence@cyberparker.com> wrote in message
>> news:8RwB9.8494$B92.919540@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
>>> > > Oh go crawl back to your overhyped, over priced buggy windows box
>>> > > .
>>> >
>>> > Pah Linux just as buggy... why I've had....erm..... ummmm ....hmmm
>>> > ....
>>> well
>>> > I've had zero crashes but I'm sure one year I will
>>> >
>>> > Simon.
>>>
>>> I think it's fair to say that Linux is just as buggy - all software is
>>> buggy. But what matters is the severity of the bugs and the frequency
>>> at which they would cause the user to tear their hair out while using
>>> a computer. I have a dual boot WinXP / Linux system and I have to say
>>> that Microsoft have been getting better at writing software. Nobody
>>> can deny
>> that
>>> Windows has come a Thought I would chime in to this thread to add a
>>> little entertainment to
my evening, taking a break from Star Wars, Episode I...

As a new subscriber to this group, and a relatively new user of newsgroups
in general, I find that there are plenty of helpful contributions to this
news group. And then there is this, lot's of it.

Let Linux stand on it's own, very capable, feet. Other operating systems
are out there and they serve their purpose... Linux isn't the first and
it won't be the last. I remember loading DOS from a cassette recorder on
a TRS-80 so I could play Knight's of Puruvia when I was in 7th grade... I
thought that was the coolest thing I had ever seen.

Pointing out that someone else is stupid doesn't make you any smarter.
Learn a little about Open Source and apply it to your communications with
those that aren't like you.

A geek is a geek.

KClong way since Windows 3.1 , and that Windows XP is
>> much
>>> more stable and faster than its previous versions. Of course, having
>>> said that, Linux has been getting better and better too. But as for
>>> bugs? I
>> find
>>> them on both.
>>>
>>> Windows hangs completely sometimes yes. I get blue screens and random
>>> resets. This is mainly due to dodgy hardware drivers. In Linux - i've
>>> had lockups too. These are mainly in X and due also mainly to graphics
>> drivers.
>>> Linux advocates have previously bashed me for blaming Linux by saying
>> "it's
>>> your card manufacturer that produces crap drivers and doesn't release
>>> them to the OpenSource community that causes the problems - it's not
>>> Linux" (I use an NVidia card). Yes, true - but all the same, it
>>> crashes - and to an end user that's all that matters. A crash is a
>>> crash. But one can't deny that for certain bits of hardware,
>>> manufacturers are reluctant to release linux drivers or indeed
>>> hardware specifications because they don't see a
>> big
>>> enough market for it. Though yes, this is improving.
>>>
>>> Don't tell me you've never found quirks with an X application? Cutting
>>> and pasting was once a nightmare. I get random program failures quite
>>> often in X... more so than in Windows in fact. Though my system on the
>>> whole hangs much less in Linux. It's fair to say that the base linux
>>> system is very stable - but X does cause a lot of problems. And let's
>>> face it - for most productivity purposes one would use X and not the
>>> console. If you say you get no crashes, I can only suspect you're not
>>> using your system for much.
>>>
>>> - or maybe it's just me.
>
>
> It's just you Terence. X can have it problems but I've never managed to
> get the OS to crash, no matter how much I screwed it up.
>
>
>>> Terence
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Terrence,,, you dare to speak evil about Linux...prepare to be FLAMED.
>> I'm sure any problem you have with Linux is due to your ignorance and
>> stupidity, not the O/S. I have been trying to learn Linux now for a few
>> months and I am actually impressed. The biggest turnoff I have found is
>> this newsgroup. The people are generally..um...assholes. That is the
>> only way to put it. I read post after post and mostly all they ever get
>> is insulted and told to RTFM and STFW. My apologies to those who
>> actually help. If the experts really wanted THEIR o/s to prosper they
>> would be less confrontational. I hate to come in here and post
>> questions. I always search and try to find what I am looking for so I
>> don't have to hear their shit. Well at least you won't be the only one
>> getting flamed, but I feel better.
>
>
> lol, I love watching trolls justifying what they call an opinion. Better
> then watching the news and watching a politician getting caught in a
> lie.
>
> And you should read the XXXXing manual if you're having that much
> trouble with anything.

Thought I would chime in to this thread to add a little entertainment to
my evening, taking a break from Star Wars, Episode I...

As a new subscriber to this group, and a relatively new user of newsgroups
in general, I find that there are plenty of helpful contributions to this
news group. And then there is this, lot's of it.

Let Linux stand on it's own, very capable, feet. Other operating systems
are out there and they serve their purpose... Linux isn't the first and
it won't be the last. I remember loading DOS from a cassette recorder on
a TRS-80 so I could run a Basic program called Knight's of Puruvia... I
thought that was the coolest thing I had ever seen.

Pointing out that someone else is stupid doesn't make you any smarter.
Learn a little about Open Source and apply it to your communications with
those that aren't like you.

A geek is a geek.

KC

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KC wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 00:08:03 +0000, Jason wrote:
>
>> Rob wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Terence Parker" <terence@cyberparker.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8RwB9.8494$B92.919540@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
>>>> > > Oh go crawl back to your overhyped, over priced buggy windows box
>>>> > > .
>>>> >
>>>> > Pah Linux just as buggy... why I've had....erm..... ummmm ....hmmm
>>>> > ....
>>>> well
>>>> > I've had zero crashes but I'm sure one year I will
>>>> >
>>>> > Simon.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's fair to say that Linux is just as buggy - all software is
>>>> buggy. But what matters is the severity of the bugs and the frequency
>>>> at which they would cause the user to tear their hair out while using
>>>> a computer. I have a dual boot WinXP / Linux system and I have to say
>>>> that Microsoft have been getting better at writing software. Nobody
>>>> can deny
>>> that
>>>> Windows has come a Thought I would chime in to this thread to add a
>>>> little entertainment to
> my evening, taking a break from Star Wars, Episode I...
>
> As a new subscriber to this group, and a relatively new user of newsgroups
> in general, I find that there are plenty of helpful contributions to this
> news group. And then there is this, lot's of it.
>
> Let Linux stand on it's own, very capable, feet. Other operating systems
> are out there and they serve their purpose... Linux isn't the first and
> it won't be the last. I remember loading DOS from a cassette recorder on
> a TRS-80 so I could play Knight's of Puruvia when I was in 7th grade... I
> thought that was the coolest thing I had ever seen.
>
> Pointing out that someone else is stupid doesn't make you any smarter.
> Learn a little about Open Source and apply it to your communications with
> those that aren't like you.
>
> A geek is a geek.
>
> KClong way since Windows 3.1 , and that Windows XP is

>>> much
>>>> more stable and faster than its previous versions. Of course, having
>>>> said that, Linux has been getting better and better too. But as for
>>>> bugs? I
>>> find
>>>> them on both.
>>>>
>>>> Windows hangs completely sometimes yes. I get blue screens and random
>>>> resets. This is mainly due to dodgy hardware drivers. In Linux - i've
>>>> had lockups too. These are mainly in X and due also mainly to graphics
>>> drivers.
>>>> Linux advocates have previously bashed me for blaming Linux by saying
>>> "it's
>>>> your card manufacturer that produces crap drivers and doesn't release
>>>> them to the OpenSource community that causes the problems - it's not
>>>> Linux" (I use an NVidia card). Yes, true - but all the same, it
>>>> crashes - and to an end user that's all that matters. A crash is a
>>>> crash. But one can't deny that for certain bits of hardware,
>>>> manufacturers are reluctant to release linux drivers or indeed
>>>> hardware specifications because they don't see a
>>> big
>>>> enough market for it. Though yes, this is improving.
>>>>
>>>> Don't tell me you've never found quirks with an X application? Cutting
>>>> and pasting was once a nightmare. I get random program failures quite
>>>> often in X... more so than in Windows in fact. Though my system on the
>>>> whole hangs much less in Linux. It's fair to say that the base linux
>>>> system is very stable - but X does cause a lot of problems. And let's
>>>> face it - for most productivity purposes one would use X and not the
>>>> console. If you say you get no crashes, I can only suspect you're not
>>>> using your system for much.
>>>>
>>>> - or maybe it's just me.
>>
>>
>> It's just you Terence. X can have it problems but I've never managed to
>> get the OS to crash, no matter how much I screwed it up.
>>
>>
>>>> Terence
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Terrence,,, you dare to speak evil about Linux...prepare to be FLAMED.
>>> I'm sure any problem you have with Linux is due to your ignorance and
>>> stupidity, not the O/S. I have been trying to learn Linux now for a few
>>> months and I am actually impressed. The biggest turnoff I have found is
>>> this newsgroup. The people are generally..um...assholes. That is the
>>> only way to put it. I read post after post and mostly all they ever get
>>> is insulted and told to RTFM and STFW. My apologies to those who
>>> actually help. If the experts really wanted THEIR o/s to prosper they
>>> would be less confrontational. I hate to come in here and post
>>> questions. I always search and try to find what I am looking for so I
>>> don't have to hear their shit. Well at least you won't be the only one
>>> getting flamed, but I feel better.
>>
>>
>> lol, I love watching trolls justifying what they call an opinion. Better
>> then watching the news and watching a politician getting caught in a
>> lie.
>>
>> And you should read the XXXXing manual if you're having that much
>> trouble with anything.
>
> Thought I would chime in to this thread to add a little entertainment to
> my evening, taking a break from Star Wars, Episode I...
>
> As a new subscriber to this group, and a relatively new user of newsgroups
> in general, I find that there are plenty of helpful contributions to this
> news group. And then there is this, lot's of it.
>
> Let Linux stand on it's own, very capable, feet. Other operating systems
> are out there and they serve their purpose... Linux isn't the first and
> it won't be the last. I remember loading DOS from a cassette recorder on
> a TRS-80 so I could run a Basic program called Knight's of Puruvia... I
> thought that was the coolest thing I had ever seen.
>
> Pointing out that someone else is stupid doesn't make you any smarter.
> Learn a little about Open Source and apply it to your communications with
> those that aren't like you.
>
> A geek is a geek.
>
> KC


You mean I can't play with the trolls anymore? damn it that sucks.

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On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:47:58 GMT, Joe Fredrickson <joe@volutin.net>
wrote:

>Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:15 pm will from hence forward be known as the day Terence
>Parker blabbered:
>
>> Don't tell me you've never found quirks with an X application? Cutting and
>[...snip...]
>> - or maybe it's just me.
>
>It's definately not just you.
>
>X applications do crash under some circumstances, but if you ever look at the
>actual crash you will notice it isnt the entire system (as in windows) or the
>entire X environment, but it is only an application crash.
>
>If you consider the application that crashed you will probably find that it
>A) Belongs to KDE
>B) Belongs to GNome
>C) Is running under Wine.
>
>Doing some *heavy* testing ive managed to crash nautilus, konqueror, and an
>entire wine session (of about 5 running programs). I think once I crashed
>KMail and KNode doing some large NG download and email at the same time.
>
>The thing too note here is that
>A) Ive never heard of X crashing
>B) I cant imagine anyone crashing a console app
>C) Besides power failure, a linux system should only go down when the user
>-- tells it too (with the exception of buggy hardware, such as hdd's and not
>-- syncing their I/O).

I've had linux lock up on me one time, was using X. Had to shut off
computer and power-up again.
But that is only 1 (one) time, in about 6 months.

..sm

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