Hi

I got this experience.

I applied to monster.com.au for a postition that matches my certifications and experience. I got a template reply " Sorry, we have found a better candidate.". Then I continued to see that same ad even after one week.

Are they advertising on non-exisiting postitions just to increase the hits and increase their advertisement rates?

I have seen similar thing with recruiters advertising on newspapers.

I feel there must be some rugulation/rule

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Last edited by limsam on 10-15-02 at 06:47 AM

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Who knows whether they found a better candidate. Perhaps they got what they THOUGHT was a better candidate, but they and you will probably never know! You're right, they should be regulated because they go way beyond the mark of what is socially acceptable. Leave them to their dreamworlds and try applying for jobs direct.

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I am not sure how it is in other countries, but here in the USA the recruiters post dummy jobs, and use many deceiving tactics to ensnare and trap. Companies hire and only post due to regulations and requirements. I have found several agencies that have done this over and over.

You could not get them to take the jobs down without spending tons of money to go through legal battles. It is usually fraudulent, plain and simple. It is best to expose them and see if they may find honesty and integrity to do the right thing for a change.

One agency called me for a position (that I knew they could not find anyone to do), and I had already applied for one position about 4 times in the past six months. I more than qualified for the position. I notice it was still up the last time I looked. They made out like there were no other positions available, yet I had a friend that knew someone from the company and they said there were positions available.

When I asked them about it, they played dumb, like they did not know anything about it. These recruiters are game players, for the most part and playing politics with the corporate honchos. They only want the big companies and the big bucks. If you are small time, forget it. It stinks and is dishonest. They do use the "bait and switch" game against you to their advantage, all the while not intending to give you anything of value. You just have to be very smart today.

When you apply for jobs now, MAKE them accountable for the ads they place and if they do not remove them when filled, then report them to the Better Business Bureau, or whatever agency is responsible for this type of thing to make them come under proper contract policies.

Let them know you have done your research and that you KNOW there are jobs at the company (check with someone at the company and find out this info). Keep detailed records that indicate exactly what you are telling them. Get names, places, times, etc., in order to make sure you are correct and have the facts.

In other words, hold them to their words.

Peace

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I like that advice especially the slant on accountability but unless they are regulated they will largely continue in the same way they do already IMO.

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Well, here in the US we have TV stations and various groups that will use stories about companies to make them public and come in line. Many people are cheating in society today and these programs really help.

Our local TV station has exposed many bad business practices and made businesses do the right thing, or lose business. Losing business is losing profit and no business wants that!

People can pool their resources and work together to make sure these firms are on the up-and-up in their business practices.

I haven't really read any of the recruiting firms guidelines for business practices, but I bet there are some they have to go by. It would be interesting to see just what type of scrutiny they are under

Peace

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The only way I've been able to find work is through recruiters they have most companies here convinced that they are better at finding talent then the HR dept. I've had one interview with a direct apply and about 15 with recruiters and I'm still unemployed because I keep getting offers for night jobs which interfere with classes. But I would say kill all recruiters before they kill the industry

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Luchnia, remember also that some of these threads get a fair old exposure and they are pretty specifically viewed by people in the I.T. industry. People form their own opinions of course but they are also up for advice - and if recruiters repeatedly get slammed then that means loss of business. The problem with TV you see is that it isn't audience specific even though the audience will be far larger. So these things are relative. Ultimately the audience doesn't matter in this case - it's what you come away personally with the different views and how that can help you in employment research. Anyone serious about crusading against recruiters should angle in on major I.T. periodicals and try to get solicited articles. Also to be prepared to thoroughly research for this kind of thing in particular is important. The problem I feel is getting such material accepted because a lot of such periodicals gain revenue from those people - (those useless recruiters )

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Strategy! or ... you never know.

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Who knows whether they found a better candidate. Perhaps they got what they THOUGHT was a better candidate, but they and you will probably never know

True. I am NOT paronoid thinking that I am the best. I know there are better people.

But, how come the same ad continued to appear even after one week? And this is NOT an isolated event. I have seen this more than once . And at more than one place.

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Last edited by limsam on 10-16-02 at 02:58 AM

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Tell me about it, There is a job posted up on monster.com right now in my town, i went to check on it and the guy said they filled it 2 weeks ago. NOW a month later, it's still up there...... WTF??

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