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Pass/test-taker ratio

Do anyone know what the ratio is of people who take the test and the percent that pass? I heard it was 1/10 pass. Any insight?

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Unhappy Pass/test-taker ratio

I've taken this exam twice and failed. I've beend studying it for over 2 months straight. The first time I was doing great on "Measure-ups" practice exam with 95-98%. I felt that I was also doing well the first time I took the exam. The problem was that I hadn't use the CLI enough and use too much time on the Simulation questions. After I reached the 2nd simulation question, I had only 5 minutes left and 10 questions to go. Another 15 minutes and I's sure I would have passed. I ended up leaving 9 questions unanswered on the table and failed with a 762.

I have since purchased the "Cisco Router and Switch eSim", practiced and studied for over a week and failed this time with an 818. Aced the simulation questions, but the questions I got the second time were far more difficult than the first exam. The questions are very confusing in how they are presented. I think Cisco was certifying too many people and made the exam much more difficult in order to enhance the value of their certification. In my opinion, they should at least give exam takers the opportunity to mark a question that they are stuck on and go back after anwereing the easier ones. This would make time management much easier on the exam. If you are going to miss a question, at least it would be the most difficult ones.

Right now I'm working on it again. I'm beginning to eat, sleep, and talk Cisco in my sleep. Maybe the 3rd time will be a charm.

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pass rate?

I believe the pass rate is higher than 1/10 but perhaps a poll would be in order here.

And I am also of the opinion that, rather than revise the curriculum, Cisco has just put more booby traps into the exam, so that there won't be so many CCNA's running around who can't get jobs and makes the cert less desireable.

It is horrible that they don't let you mark questions and go back later. There is no reason on earth for that, except to make more people fail.

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eeer no.

I took 507, I have look over prolly 95% of the posts on this forum and from what I can gather, there is no more *traps* than there were. All the questions posted were valid and I don't see where the problem is.

I will note, I did not have cabling /hex conversion questions, but guess what, its there in the book. All other stuff is there, I saw nothing that was trick or not on the book.

The problem is (generalization coming) that most ppl read study guides, their mind get trained wiht the way the questions is worded and how the answers were given and when translated from the old format to a little different wording/structure in the new format, they all froze.

Free your mind... one of the problem with dumps is that ppl reading it will inevitably have misinformation ingrained and when pose with a question, they can't get out of that trained thinking.

As far as marking question, don't blame it on them. Plenty of ppl are able to pass the test with not able to mark. How mnay time haveyou taken a MS test and did not know the answer, mark and continue on, only to have the answer to the question answered in the question for another? Please.... I doubt the failure rate is this high... my god, ccie lab had a published passing rate on 1st try in the neighborhood of 20 percent... if it is indeed 20 percent for the new ccna, I say good for them, the dumpers are failing like mad!

If you unfortunately fail, I think there is valid indication of your skill and your weaknesses. Brush up on things, again, I see nothing on the posts that indicate there is more trap than there was... stop blaming trick question, simulations, not able to mark etc for failure and hit the book, rent online lab, buy labs and all that.

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Yes, Virginia, there ARE bad questions

I am only speculating re: more tricky questions to raise the bar. Anybody who thinks things like that don't happen is naive.

Cisco has taken a good deal of heat for some of their badly worded questions. Ambiguous questions are not good discriminators -- the guys at ETA who set the AP exams revise each question they make and make sure the intent of the question is clear. I've been told that Cisco is not so careful...

Having said that....
Cisco set the test, so we play their game.
No body can mark so everybody is even.

I agree that the dump memorizers should fail. A really good test would be all sim that WORKS. I'd be totally in favor of that.

BTW remember not everybody is American and not every forum member can afford all the books toys and materials you can; some of us have to make it on wits and superior brain power alone.

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I just finished four semesters of the Cisco Net Academy and 6 members of my class took the test within the last 24 hours. Five of the students passed and one failed. Did they have any tricky questions? Yes as a matter of fact they did. One student was asked to set the passwords for the router configuration. The student was instructed to set the line vty, line console and the encrypted password. The tricky part was they gave the student the passwords to use on each of the ports but did not include what they wanted for the encrypted password. Another student said there is a command to enable encryption. If this is true then the question is not altogether straight-forward but still acceptable in my opinion. If there is not this mystery command then yes Cisco does add some trickery to testing.

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The student was instructed to set the line vty, line console and the encrypted password. The tricky part was they gave the student the passwords to use on each of the ports but did not include what they wanted for the encrypted password.


I had this, I thought it was a little unfair and used the console password for encrypted also?? what else could you do. Frankly from hanging out here for a year I was expecting an easier exam.

I passed first time.

John.

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I had this, I thought it was a little unfair and used the console password for encrypted also?? what else could you do. Frankly from hanging out here for a year I was expecting an easier exam.

I passed first time.

John.




Hey Hooligan, can you please clarify this. My English is not so colloquial. You say he is asked to set all these various passwords and in all cases they tell him what to use for the password, but for the encrypted they dont tell him what to use, then I think he can use whatever he wants, no? Is there some trick that the encrypted cant be the same thing as the regular enable password or what.

There are definitely questions on this exam designed not to probe what you know but to trip you.. I know plenty of people who sat it and they all agree on this.

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command to enable encrypted?

no such thing.

you just configure it.

either your ios has it or it doesn't. I think 10.3 is the first version that supports encrypted.

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Yes marathoner, your right.
there was a few questions like that.
where the questions seemed to be straight farward enough, but you needed to know those little conditions cisco has, like enable secret and regular shouldnt be the same.
also like the implicit deny any on the end of access lists etc etc.

Trip you up, maybe, but i wouldnt say unfair because at least you know there wont be questions on appletalk, ospf etc.

For the CCNA you need to know a hell of a lot about the few subjects the exam covers.

John

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