I am trying to figure something out:
There is an ethical, moral way of doing things, in life in general and in your goals to get a certificate also.
Now it is a fact that the interpretation of these things is different to everybody.
I have read the ping post and i only want a strait answer:
Question:

(1) If you could get a braindump, all real exam questions whith the good answers included, would you use it?

(2) If you could get a hand on some testexam program with register key and it would fit your examgoal would you use it?

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1) If you could get a braindump, all real exam questions whith the good answers included, would you use it?

No. Definitely not. I would never want to pass an exam under those circumstances - there would be no victory in it because using it would be cheating.

If you could get a hand on some testexam program with register key and it would fit your examgoal would you use it?

No. Definitely not. I'm not into Software Piracy.

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Originally posted by John Bakker
I am trying to figure something out:
There is an ethical, moral way of doing things, in life in general and in your goals to get a certificate also.
Now it is a fact that the interpretation of these things is different to everybody.
I have read the ping post and i only want a strait answer:
Question:

(1) If you could get a braindump, all real exam questions whith the good answers included, would you use it?

(2) If you could get a hand on some testexam program with register key and it would fit your examgoal would you use it?

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I agree with Paisleyskye. How would this benefit you ? Sure it looks nice having all those letters behind your name but consider this:

If you go on an interview based on the passing of an exam and not knowledge/experience, the interviewer will quickly pick up on your lack of knowledge. How does this reflect on you? The interviewer in his/her mind considers you a fraud, a cheat. Of course they are not going to hire you or place you.

Given sometimes that IT is a small world, people know each other and your interview story gets passed around - guess what happens on the next interview ?

Some would argue that if are not a good test taker but you have years of experience well......
Let your conscience be your guide.

I still would not do it. The benefits of hard study coupled with knowledge/experience/certs pays off in the end.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

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No and no. On my last interview, I was asked some rather extensive questions about my area of expertise. Now if I had cheated my way through some tests desgined to quizz me on how much I knew, I would only have been hurting myself and wasting the time of my potential employers. Anyone can pass a test by "braindumping" their way through it. But will this actually be of any real benefit to anyone? I don't think so. The only possible exception would be I suppose for those people who need to get certified to keep their jobs or if they are required to have a certain certification even if it doesn't directly relate to their jobs. But integrity and honesty DO count for things in the workplace. If your employer comes to know that you lied to get a job, or fudged your claims about your knowledge, this will not reflect good on you.

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No and No, I wanna learn, not cheat. Nuff said

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something told me to expect answers like these....
Now in a regular post i see questions like:
Failed xxx exam, next week i will go again but i have got this questions yyy: does anyone have a suggestion for the answer..

is this a braindump, or could it be the base of a braindump.?

what exactly is a braindump

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A braindump is questions and answers from the actual exams that someone posts on the Internet after writing an exam. They are essentially dumping their brains of information.

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I would have to be honest with myself on this one and say... no to the first.

Maybe you think I am just lying, since only a seemingly foolish person would waltz into this thread and post that s/he desires to cheat. But...

I definitely like to learn the test objectives, as all of you before me have said. In fact I've had experience with the objectives of every exam I've taken. I'm not saying I was an expert on the topics, but I had worked with them. I've also gone through a class for every exam (I'll break this streak when I pass i-Net+ on Thursday, all through self-study).

So, after I'm done with my study and think I understand everything, does that mean I wouldn't want to see the answers? NO! In fact I would be sorely tempted to do that. But I've had the opportunity before, and I didn't take it:

I tested for Network+ on a Saturday because I didn't want to take time off from work. The testing center was nearly deserted. Really the only one present during my test was a lady there to oversee the test center in an outer room equipped with CCTV monitors. I entered that outer observation room with my Net+ Exam Cram, and 3x5 cards that I had written pertinent, condensed info onto. I had cards on topics like the TCP/IP utils (NBTSTAT, etc.), their usage, and the command line switches you can use with them (-r vs. -R, -a vs. -A). These went into a drawer in a desk in the outer room, along with my cell phone. I went in and started testing.

I had to go to the bathroom in a bad way during my test. Yeah, really, the last thing you want. I was seriously ill to my stomach. I still can't be sure what caused that. But I had plenty of time on the timer, so I left my station to check out with the test proctor to use the bathroom. To my dismay she was not in the outer room at the time. I was torn... leaving w/o informing her could be bad -- you're supposed to check out! -- but not getting to a bathroom quickly would also have consequences, if you get my drift.

So, afraid I was blowing $190 because I would break the rules, I hit the men's room. When I came back, the lady had returned and was truly surprised to see me enter (I guess she hadn't checked on me via the cameras and noticed my absence). Well, I had nothing to worry about, because she was understanding and didn't care. Just let me back in and that was it. I reviewed my answers, ended the exam, passed and left.

The point is that I was torn by another decision while I stood in that empty outer room... My study materials were in that drawer. My first seven questions had all been on the TCP/IP utils. I was not sure of myself, and I wanted to double-check my answers. All I had to do was open that drawer and peek! The absolute, true as God, accurate answers were in there on a card. But I didn't open it. I didn't look. Once I made up my mind I didn't really consider it a big deal, except for that fact that the proctor might realize my opportunity and believe I had cheated.

I didn't think about it for a long time. But when I did reflect on it, I'm very happy I chose to do what I did. I can be wholly happy with my Network+ pass now. I'm not sure what kind of black mark on my conscience looking at those cards would have had, but it wouldn't be good. I'm thankful I didn't give in.

It sets a good precident if I ever get put through that again. I'd rather fail honestly than pass with deceit.

Also, I'm staying away from Mexican food Hi-oh! C'mon, it's me! You knew I also had to make a joke in my post!

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Hey great, temptations are the worst but what about the second quest?

I think to prepare for an exam you need to know the objectives and the style of the questions to expect.
So in mind of the definition of a braindump

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A braindump is questions and answers from the actual exams that someone posts on the Internet after writing an exam. They are essentially dumping their brains of information.

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