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I have seen in various posts that "There is no job available for a person with certification if he/she does NOT have experience." And I know it is true generally.

I am curious. Where can a person start if he/she has no experience?

. . .
You cannot wake up one morning and suddenly have 3 years experience! You have to start somewhere.

What does the industry expect? A baby to have experience when he/she is born?? So that he/she can write OCP-DBA with 5 years experience in his/her resume?

Who is better? A person with nil experience but with at least one premium certification. or a person with nil experience and no certifications. Seems both are equal.!


Luckily, 7 years back when I started my first job, they recruited fresh graduates and persons with no experience as well. The result is that I have now 7 years experience

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Well.........

You answered the question in the last paragraf of your post. These days you need a BS degree in addition to the certs (or BS degree alone) to get a job with no experience.
Please no flames. If you know of another method, lets hear it.

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I have a BS degree.

My worry is about those who do not have it!

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Two choices

Well, those starting out(with no experience) who DO NOT have it, will
either have to get it, or go into another field.

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I agree.

Also with some luck (need it)

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as for me

I started as an Electronics Tech and was able to transition to the software side of the house. I know some others who have been able to do the same. The only thing was I had to get towards the top of that field, before I was able to cross over. It's definitely a hard way to come up.

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With no experience you have to network. If you know someone in the computer industry they can help you get a job especially some IT manager. There are not many positions for inexperienced people. Even if you have a computer science degree, you must have gained industry experience somehow.

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hmmmmmmmmm

{{Even if you have a computer science degree, you must have gained industry experience somehow.}}

In four (or more) years of college, how could one not gain any real world hands on experience? As a hiring manager, I would think that was a bit odd.

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I just wanted to highlight the greatest irony.

I just wanted to highlight the irony.

A person with a college degree even is expected to 'have' experience.!

Where will he start?

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{{{A person with a college degree even is expected to 'have' experience! Where will he start?}}

Ever hear of Internship, Help Desk, Computer Lab? Today, the bar has been raised much higher (even in a good economy), and it is uncommon to graduate college with no related experience in IT. I guess if you are one of those unfortunate souls, you are out of luck.

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