Has anyone taken the instructor-lead MS MOC class, 2153, for 70-216. I'd like to get your thoughts on course content, labs, examples, etc.

I'm teaching this class starting tomorrow night, and I'd like to have student viewpoints on the class.

Thanks,



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I have not taken it but one of my colleagues taught it last week, and said that the RRAS modules are huge, and that the labs ended up being RRAS troubleshooting exercises for him, not the students
Good luck!

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I took this MOC book in Dec, it did not prepare any of us students for the exam. Our instructor is very good, but the exam goes into details that are not covered in this huge binder. We suggested to our instructor for his next W2K class to do the design(70-221)MOC after the 70-216 MOC and then take the 70-216 exam, then the 70-221. We just finished going through the 70-221 MOC and we ran into alot of information that you need for the 70-216 exam that simply isn't covered in the MOC.
Go figure, good luck

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Techie2B,
I understand what you are saying, but I think the MS official stance is that no MOC directly relates to an exam. We instructors are not supposed to be teaching towards exams, but towards product knowledge, ie. material covered in the MOC.

Having said that, I appreciate your input.

I have taken the 216, without the benefit of the 2153 MOC or the MOC for 221. As I studied to teach the 2153 MOC, I came across alot of small things that I didn't pick up too well from the MCSE Training Kit that I used for 216. I will encourage the students to take the 221 class before they take the 216 exam.

I didn't find that the 2151/2152 MOC mapped to the 210/215 exams very well either. The 2154 MOC does a good job for the 217 exam.

IMHO.

Thanks again.

Restated question: "I'd like to get student's thoughts on course content, labs, examples, etc."

P.S. Thanks Freak (I know how you love RRAS!).

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Originally posted by cadman:


P.S. Thanks Freak (I know how you love RRAS!).

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LOL, boy, you know me too well


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The MOC is good, if you have a good instructor. You can learn a lot even though the MOC is not supposed to, technically, prepare you for exams. Im on the 1562 course now, designing infrastructure or something, but in class im studying for the 216 test! the instructor blows right through the stuff so fast! so i find it necessary to listen to that to try an learn something and also i put my sybex etrainer on my classroom machine so i could do that...its a BIG complaint from other students, who are concentrating on what the instructor is doing and trying to learn, but havent even taken the 210 test yet...they simply cant digest the material...it would be a different story if the school didnt advertise "take our courses, become and mcse" but they do, in fact, do that and i think its damn near impossible to do the MOC alone and pass these tests. even with labs and stuff..so i end up studying 8-10 more hours a day to try and make it by graduation...if the instructor is good though, one does learn a whole lot...just not enough to pass the tests!lol

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