The trend for IT salaries was the sky was the limit for many years in the
90s. Many people still have the same positions and salaries since 9/11 but
that is already changing for some.

Companies are approaching employees with the line that 'we can find the same
or better suited person for much less money' line before giving the pink
slip. I know some IT people that have not been touched in the downturn that
think somehow that they are secure. So if you are still sitting back in your
nice leather chair as a $70K a year admin, don't be too smug. A few friends
of mine are and the grim reaper of HR will be knocking on their door soon.
An MCSE admin right now is in the $25K a year range for new hires. So if you
are making the big bucks in an IT department, you might want to request a
salary reduction before issued a pink slip.

You could be the most experianced MCSE in the area and able to fix any
problem at all but to save money they will fire you and give your job to the
(acne faced teen from 'The Simpsons) at one third of what you were making.

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:01:40 -0400, "Wilson" <wilson@noemailforme.org>
wrote:

>The trend for IT salaries was the sky was the limit for many years in the
>90s. Many people still have the same positions and salaries since 9/11 but
>that is already changing for some.
>
>Companies are approaching employees with the line that 'we can find the same
>or better suited person for much less money' line before giving the pink
>slip. I know some IT people that have not been touched in the downturn that
>think somehow that they are secure. So if you are still sitting back in your
>nice leather chair as a $70K a year admin, don't be too smug. A few friends
>of mine are and the grim reaper of HR will be knocking on their door soon.
>An MCSE admin right now is in the $25K a year range for new hires. So if you
>are making the big bucks in an IT department, you might want to request a
>salary reduction before issued a pink slip.

Only if you know you're not worth $70k. If you *are*, let the pink
slip come, you'll find another job and is just might be a better one.
Its amazing how the market will tend towards one making what they're
actually worth.

-s-

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"Steven Cox" <stevencox56@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:01:40 -0400, "Wilson" <wilson@noemailforme.org>
> wrote:
>
> >The trend for IT salaries was the sky was the limit for many years in the
> >90s. Many people still have the same positions and salaries since 9/11
but
> >that is already changing for some.
> >
> >Companies are approaching employees with the line that 'we can find the
same
> >or better suited person for much less money' line before giving the pink
> >slip. I know some IT people that have not been touched in the downturn
that
> >think somehow that they are secure. So if you are still sitting back in
your
> >nice leather chair as a $70K a year admin, don't be too smug. A few
friends
> >of mine are and the grim reaper of HR will be knocking on their door
soon.
> >An MCSE admin right now is in the $25K a year range for new hires. So if
you
> >are making the big bucks in an IT department, you might want to request a
> >salary reduction before issued a pink slip.
>
> Only if you know you're not worth $70k. If you *are*, let the pink
> slip come, you'll find another job and is just might be a better one.
> Its amazing how the market will tend towards one making what they're
> actually worth.

IT saleries are dropping very fast. True, there are admins out there making
$70K but that will not last for much longer with the same skill sets for
25-35K a year. And please don't think that they won't hire a novice to
replace someone loyal, experianced and dedicated.

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That's for damn sure...

Job security went out with the 70's..... in the mid to late 90's, workers
were able to fight back, albeit just a little, with the economic boom... but
now that is over. Just as it was in the late 70's, companies, once again,
have most of their employees 'by the balls.' Get ready for the hard squeeze,
as company after company begins the old 'be thankful you have a job' message
once again...

"Wilson" <wilson@noemailforme.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Steven Cox" <stevencox56@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ja8ijvkg91h646jh2omjs40q5
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> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:01:40 -0400, "Wilson" <wilson@noemailforme.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >The trend for IT salaries was the sky was the limit for many years in
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> > >90s. Many people still have the same positions and salaries since 9/11
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> > >that is already changing for some.
> > >
> > >Companies are approaching employees with the line that 'we can find the
> same
> > >or better suited person for much less money' line before giving the[/color]
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> > >slip. I know some IT people that have not been touched in the downturn
> that
> > >think somehow that they are secure. So if you are still sitting back in
> your
> > >nice leather chair as a $70K a year admin, don't be too smug. A few
> friends
> > >of mine are and the grim reaper of HR will be knocking on their door
> soon.
> > >An MCSE admin right now is in the $25K a year range for new hires. So[/color]
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> > >are making the big bucks in an IT department, you might want to request
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> > >salary reduction before issued a pink slip.
> >
> > Only if you know you're not worth $70k. If you *are*, let the pink
> > slip come, you'll find another job and is just might be a better one.
> > Its amazing how the market will tend towards one making what they're
> > actually worth.
>
> IT saleries are dropping very fast. True, there are admins out there[/color]
making
> $70K but that will not last for much longer with the same skill sets for
> 25-35K a year. And please don't think that they won't hire a novice to
> replace someone loyal, experianced and dedicated.
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Your wrong!
I have been looking around recently, just to stay prepared, and 65-85k is
the standard for MCSEs with 5-10 years experience on a variety of OSs and
tools. Not programmers either .. just sys adms. Sounds like 'sour grapes' to
me .. check the latest issue of MCP mag . a MCSE with a MCT and experience
(thats me) gets at least 70k. Companies will dump people to save money, but
they were burned on this issue in the past and will be less likely to dump
key staff in the future. I think raises may be few and far between
though..... expect bonuses instead.


Robyn Myers
MCP+I, MCSE (2k and NT), MCT, A+, NET+, MOS (word 02) (27 years in the
computer business)

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Mr. Robyn Myers wrote:
> Your wrong!
> I have been looking around recently, just to stay prepared, and 65-85k is
> the standard for MCSEs with 5-10 years experience on a variety of OSs and
> tools. Not programmers either .. just sys adms. Sounds like 'sour grapes' to
> me .. check the latest issue of MCP mag . a MCSE with a MCT and experience
> (thats me) gets at least 70k. Companies will dump people to save money, but
> they were burned on this issue in the past and will be less likely to dump
> key staff in the future. I think raises may be few and far between
> though..... expect bonuses instead.
>
>
> Robyn Myers
> MCP+I, MCSE (2k and NT), MCT, A+, NET+, MOS (word 02) (27 years in the
> computer business)
>
>
You look like you've painted yourself into a corner...you look like you
are a MS only person......the wise thing to do is NOT to paint yourself
in a corner and become well versed (or well-rounded) with a few OS's
(windows, unix, linux, cisco) and a few databases (oracle, MS, etc).
I'm very good with windows OS's, but most of my GOOD paying work for the
past 3 years has come from integrating different OS's and databases!
After a while of doing that, windows only stuff is child's play!
And yea, I've installed and migrated a lot of networks to linux....yes
it is hot...but like I said....DON'T PAINT YOURSELF INTO A CORNER!
Linux may be hot now...but what about 10 years from now? 10 years ago,
Novell was big...where are they now?

Good luck to all of you out there in the field...the out-sourcing to
other countries for cheap labor is a serious issue. My opinion on
dealing with this is to get involved in politics...there is a big
election next year! If these job loss issues due to greedy companies
don't wake people up and make them go vote, I don't know what will!!
Last election only about half the country voted....and, if anything, it
proved that YOUR VOTE DOES COUNT!!

Oskar

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"Mr. Robyn Myers" <ramyers(nospam)@starband.net> wrote in message
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> Your wrong!
> I have been looking around recently, just to stay prepared, and 65-85k is
> the standard for MCSEs with 5-10 years experience on a variety of OSs and
> tools.

You live in a dream world. Also, the MCP Magazine salary survey is biased
junk -- it means nothing and it never has.

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I agree .. I also install wireless networks and teach SQL 2000. My backup
plan is to keep teaching at least PT to maintain my MCT. So no corner ..
thanks
Robyn Myers

"pheonix1t" <pheonix1t898oi@iliiearthilink.eionet> wrote in message
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> Mr. Robyn Myers wrote:
> > Your wrong!
> > I have been looking around recently, just to stay prepared, and 65-85k
is
> > the standard for MCSEs with 5-10 years experience on a variety of OSs
and
> > tools. Not programmers either .. just sys adms. Sounds like 'sour
grapes' to
> > me .. check the latest issue of MCP mag . a MCSE with a MCT and
experience
> > (thats me) gets at least 70k. Companies will dump people to save money,
but
> > they were burned on this issue in the past and will be less likely to
dump
> > key staff in the future. I think raises may be few and far between
> > though..... expect bonuses instead.
> >
> >
> > Robyn Myers
> > MCP+I, MCSE (2k and NT), MCT, A+, NET+, MOS (word 02) (27 years in the
> > computer business)
> >
> >
> You look like you've painted yourself into a corner...you look like you
> are a MS only person......the wise thing to do is NOT to paint yourself
> in a corner and become well versed (or well-rounded) with a few OS's
> (windows, unix, linux, cisco) and a few databases (oracle, MS, etc).
> I'm very good with windows OS's, but most of my GOOD paying work for the
> past 3 years has come from integrating different OS's and databases!
> After a while of doing that, windows only stuff is child's play!
> And yea, I've installed and migrated a lot of networks to linux....yes
> it is hot...but like I said....DON'T PAINT YOURSELF INTO A CORNER!
> Linux may be hot now...but what about 10 years from now? 10 years ago,
> Novell was big...where are they now?
>
> Good luck to all of you out there in the field...the out-sourcing to
> other countries for cheap labor is a serious issue. My opinion on
> dealing with this is to get involved in politics...there is a big
> election next year! If these job loss issues due to greedy companies
> don't wake people up and make them go vote, I don't know what will!!
> Last election only about half the country voted....and, if anything, it
> proved that YOUR VOTE DOES COUNT!!
>
> Oskar
>
>
>

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I agree
I also teach SQL 2000 ....
Teaching is my OTHER shoe ..

Thanks
Robyn Myers

"pheonix1t" <pheonix1t898oi@iliiearthilink.eionet> wrote in message
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> Mr. Robyn Myers wrote:
> > Your wrong!
> > I have been looking around recently, just to stay prepared, and 65-85k
is
> > the standard for MCSEs with 5-10 years experience on a variety of OSs
and
> > tools. Not programmers either .. just sys adms. Sounds like 'sour
grapes' to
> > me .. check the latest issue of MCP mag . a MCSE with a MCT and
experience
> > (thats me) gets at least 70k. Companies will dump people to save money,
but
> > they were burned on this issue in the past and will be less likely to
dump
> > key staff in the future. I think raises may be few and far between
> > though..... expect bonuses instead.
> >
> >
> > Robyn Myers
> > MCP+I, MCSE (2k and NT), MCT, A+, NET+, MOS (word 02) (27 years in the
> > computer business)
> >
> >
> You look like you've painted yourself into a corner...you look like you
> are a MS only person......the wise thing to do is NOT to paint yourself
> in a corner and become well versed (or well-rounded) with a few OS's
> (windows, unix, linux, cisco) and a few databases (oracle, MS, etc).
> I'm very good with windows OS's, but most of my GOOD paying work for the
> past 3 years has come from integrating different OS's and databases!
> After a while of doing that, windows only stuff is child's play!
> And yea, I've installed and migrated a lot of networks to linux....yes
> it is hot...but like I said....DON'T PAINT YOURSELF INTO A CORNER!
> Linux may be hot now...but what about 10 years from now? 10 years ago,
> Novell was big...where are they now?
>
> Good luck to all of you out there in the field...the out-sourcing to
> other countries for cheap labor is a serious issue. My opinion on
> dealing with this is to get involved in politics...there is a big
> election next year! If these job loss issues due to greedy companies
> don't wake people up and make them go vote, I don't know what will!!
> Last election only about half the country voted....and, if anything, it
> proved that YOUR VOTE DOES COUNT!!
>
> Oskar
>
>
>

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First of all, it is 'You're' and not 'your'.

For the rest of this post, do you get your info from a MCSE training school?
It looks that way from the numbers you quote.



"Mr. Robyn Myers" <ramyers(nospam)@starband.net> wrote in message
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> Your wrong!
> I have been looking around recently, just to stay prepared, and 65-85k is
> the standard for MCSEs with 5-10 years experience on a variety of OSs and
> tools. Not programmers either .. just sys adms. Sounds like 'sour grapes'
to
> me .. check the latest issue of MCP mag . a MCSE with a MCT and experience
> (thats me) gets at least 70k. Companies will dump people to save money,
but
> they were burned on this issue in the past and will be less likely to dump
> key staff in the future. I think raises may be few and far between
> though..... expect bonuses instead.
>
>
> Robyn Myers
> MCP+I, MCSE (2k and NT), MCT, A+, NET+, MOS (word 02) (27 years in the
> computer business)
>
>

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