No I haven't. But I guess I would need to know what that=20
is to consider it. What is montessori education. And if=20
it cost a bunch of money I'm still curious but don't have=20
it to spend.

Thanks,

G
>-----Original Message-----
>With regards to improving their work at school, have you=20
looked into the
>option of montessori education?
>
>
>"Grant Conrad" <gconrad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f1b01c2f3ea$9b281f70$a50
1280a@phx.gbl...
>In regard to the Ritalin we followed up on that and were
>told by his doctor that it isn't unusual for it to have
>the opposite effect in higher dosages. It is quite=20
common.
>David underwent some very thorough testing intact we
>surprised at the extent.
>When we first spoke to a "doctor" about David's behavior
>we sat and talked and he came to the conclusion that=20
David
>was "mildly" ADHD probably a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10. 10
>being the worst.
>
>We had relocated shortly after that and it was probably
>about a year later when we spoke to his new doctor about
>the previous doctors statements. She was shocked. She
>stated that ADD/ADHD is NOT something a general doctor=20
can
>just "label" some one as. She promptly set us up with a
>facility that studies and tests for this and other
>disorders.
>
>David went through a full 8+ hour day of testing. Where
>they placed him in different settings with different
>distractions and gave him explicit instructions and then
>monitored him through 1-way mirrors. Things like sit here
>in this room with toys sitting to the side and do these
>math problems. Don't play with the toys and will be back
>in a few little while to check on you. The noted things
>like his fidgeting in his chair and eventually wonder off
>to play with the toys. They give a score based off
>statistical research where "normal" children would be at
>and where they found David to be. They also evaluated his
>intelligence at the same time. Like you pointed out with
>Zach, David was in second grade at the time of the tests
>and was considered by these tests to be at a 4th grade
>level for math. Reading he was a little behind (We had
>been working on that. Many thanks go to the school for
>that one. He was WAY behind earlier in the year.) And of
>course they did the logical tests and well I don't even
>remember all that he had to do. We were not allowed to be
>present for the tests. I'm sure they went through
>the "does your daddy hit you" BS as well. Then they
>interviewed us (the parents) as well and during the
>interview with us David did some other things that were
>added to his chart even when we were the ones be
>questioned.
>He makes off-the-wall statements that make absolutely no
>sense some times, like one hundred thousand seven million
>or "I'll be like 10 when the babies are 5" some of this
>can be chalked up as just normal "kid talk" but some of=20
it
>makes even some of his younger friends stare at him=20
oddly.
>In fact this is one of the other tests that he was put
>through. A language processing disorder. He has this to a
>slight degree as well. Basically and I'm still not sure I
>understand this real well yet either, What he hears is=20
not
>always interpreted the way we intend it. In fact it is
>probably a lot like reading these messages. Sometimes=20
your
>not sure if someone is joking or mad. But then there is
>another disorder call Central Auditory Processing
>Disorder, which a friend of the family who works with the
>hearing impaired brought to our attention, which also
>creates some of the same symptoms and is often
>misdiagnosed as ADD/ADHD. Although this is truly supposed
>to be tested by a hearing specialists. The doctors did=20
not
>think this was the case with David.
>After the initial eval was completed then came the trial
>drug analysis. He took the medication for a week and then
>went back in to the doctor once a week at the end of the
>week for re-evaluation. Although these re-visits were not
>as long as the initial ones they were long visits. Plus=20
we
>had to have evals from his teachers, daycare and us and
>anyone else who had constant contact with him filled out.
>This went on for the remaining three weeks for each dose
>of medication.
>Everyone is pretty sure he is ADHD. Thankfully the doctor
>keeps up on this constantly and we are going to be
>speaking to her again and filling out more evals.=20
Concerta
>does seem to work the best for him and doesn't seem to
>have the Moody side effects. Ritalin also does work but=20
in
>a little smaller dose.
>
>So we are hopeful we are doing the right thing and that
>the doctor's know what they are doing. I think they have
>shown real concern and a genuine desire to help. I do=20
know
>that there are many children being misdiagnosed with ADHD
>but I do not believe David is one of them.
>
>G
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>"Grant Conrad" <gconrad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:3fdb01c2f3dc$62f540f0$a40
1280a@phx.gbl...
>>Actually I am at work right now and should be doing that
>>as opposed to this but.... Here I am.
>>Since I am at work I am posting these through the HTML
>>version of the group. However I haven't been in a lot of
>>news groups in the past and have very limited use with=20
the
>>newsreaders so I am not sure I would be doing what you
>>mentioned. QP But I will look into it. Thanks for the=20
tip.
>>What exactly does it do?
>>
>>Quoted Printable is a format you can use in Outlook
>Express that apparently
>>does a bit of a different word wrap logic in that you=20
can
>post a long URL
>>without it breaking. The problem, though, it is is much
>like when you are
>>posting in HTML, it doesn't allow quoting properly,=20
which
>is ironic because
>>of its name.
>>
>>We went through trials with David they had us get three
>>different dosages 1 for each week. One week was a low
>>dosage of Ritalin another was a high dosage of it and=20
the
>>other was a placebo. We were unaware of what dosage he=20
was
>>on for what week. Boy, we were surprised what we=20
learned.
>>Naturally we tried to guess what dosage he was on based=20
on
>>our expectations of what we thought the medication=20
does. I
>>mean we were under the same impression much of the
>>uninformed world is under that he would be a zombie.
>>Little did we know that Ritalin is basically a=20
derivative
>>of speed (stimulant as you stated) Well obviously the
>>placebo changed nothing. The low dosage didn't seem to=20
do
>>much either, in fact he received the low dosage first=20
and
>>we were sure it was the placebo. Then came the high=20
dose.
>>WOW! It was like watching someone whose feet were on=20
fire.
>>I almost had to peel him off the ceiling. Complete
>>opposite of what we expected. So after the results were=20
in
>>we tried Adderol this proved to be ineffective and=20
created
>>mood swings. Yuck, suddenly my son had mood swings about
>>everything.
>>
>>It sounds like your son may not have ADD or ADHD at all
>if that was the
>>result of his taking Ritalin. I'm no doctor (but I play
>one on USENET) but
>>while Ritalin is a stimulant, it has the opposite effect
>on people with
>>ADD/ADHD, it calms them down. I don't know how much
>research you've done on
>>ADD but without medication, their minds are just running
>in fast-forward.
>>Their brains are not getting enough stimulation
>chemically, so they have to
>>stimulate themselves in other ways, usually in harmful=20
or
>annoying ways.
>>The chemical allows them to finally relax, yet at the
>same time, it
>>interferes with sleep, so go figure. While Zach would
>agree that being on
>>the drug doesn't make him feel like "himself", he would
>often want to take
>>it anyway because he doesn't like being unmedicated any
>more than the people
>>around him like it when he's that way.
>>
>>He is now on Concerta 27mg which he (if we remind him=20
20-
>>30 times) in the morning before school. This is supposed
>>to be a once a day drug/dose. Now we know it is supposed
>>to only last for maybe 8 hrs but the teacher reports=20
that
>>on some days it seems that it has worn off by noon. We
>>have also been given a 10mg dosage of Ritalin to give=20
him
>>in the evenings. We try to avoid using this mainly=20
because
>>I do hate giving my son a bunch of drugs. I save it for
>>when "I" am ready to blow up. He has an extremely high
>>metabolism (no duh) but I truly think I could give him
>>this dose a couple of hours before bed and he would=20
still

>>be able to fall asleep. This stuff is in and out of his
>>system so fast.
>>
>>Zach had a high metabolism early on, too. Actually,
>since he's been off the
>>medication, he's gained a bit of weight. The kid eats
>like a horse. He
>>also drinks fluids almost non-stop. If I drank as much
>soda as he did, I'd
>>have to spend all day in the bathroom, I don't know how
>he does it. I think
>>his leg is hollow or something.
>>
>>One other big concern I have is "Drugs" in general. I=20
have
>>watched several documentary type shows on this subject=20
and
>>one of the problems is first the kids stop taking their
>>meds because the don't like the way they make them feel
>>then they turn to other drugs. Supposedly they are more
>>prone to take other drugs. Now I don't mean to pry so=20
you
>>don't have to answer but has this become an issue you=20
have
>>had to deal with? Believe it or not my wife and I have
>>NEVER taken any drugs, well we have both drank I mean=20
lets
>>not get stupid, but illegal drugs, NEVER. David is going
>>to have a difficult enough time in life that he doesn't
>>need the added problem drugs will cause.
>>
>>I tried drugs (pot) when I was in the USAF. Had one bad
>experience, nothing
>>major, but it was a wakeup call. I don't care for the
>taste of alcohol, but
>>forced myself to drink with friends in the military,=20
just
>so I could "fit
>>in" My wife has never used any kind of drugs at all,=20
but
>enjoys beer,
>>mostly because of the time she spent in Germany with her
>ex-husband. She'll
>>enjoy the occaisional beer these days is all. I do
>smoke, have for half my
>>life. Zach was caught at school a few months ago with
>cigarettes. He
>>wasn't actually caught, some kid heard Zach bragging
>about smoking and
>>turned him in. Funny because the boy rags on me
>constantly for smoking
>>(even today) and always swore he'd never smoke.
>>
>>OK! Break time over time to get back to work.
>>
>>Got any openings?
>>
>>I got a decent job offer just last week but had to turn
>it down. Would have
>>meant a huge raise in pay and benefits, but the location
>sucked.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Fris "Professional Poster" bee=AE MCNGP #13
>>
>>http://www.mcngp.tk
>>The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
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