There is some truth to this, the Sybex book for
216 is not good at all.

The MS Press book is MUCH better.

I used Sybex first to study for 216, but once I started
taking practice tests I realized that it merely touched
upon subjects. It was then that I studied the MS Press
book. But, I have almost 3 years of hands-on experience...

chris


>-----Original Message-----
>Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
>books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
>havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
>Microsof books.
>.
>

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:27:35 -0800, "chris."
<chris+2000500+@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
>>books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
>>havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
>>Microsof books.
>>.
>There is some truth to this, the Sybex book for
>216 is not good at all.
>
>The MS Press book is MUCH better.
>
>I used Sybex first to study for 216, but once I started
>taking practice tests I realized that it merely touched
>upon subjects. It was then that I studied the MS Press
>book. But, I have almost 3 years of hands-on experience...
>
>chris
>

Why even use a book? Certifications are meant to prove that you have
the experience. It's not something you study for, get certified, then
go get a job to learn from. I took 216 with *0* study time logged.
Actually, I took Net+, 210, 215, and 218 4 days in a row... got the
tests reimbursed by my employer then went back and took 216, 217, 219,
and 220 all in the same week. Do you think it's possible to _memorize_
that much information? My employer doesn't. They *know* my cert means
something because I did it based completely on experience.

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circa Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:00:12 GMT, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, |{evin (You@dont.need) said,
> Why even use a book? Certifications are meant to prove that you have
> the experience. It's not something you study for, get certified, then
> go get a job to learn from. I took 216 with *0* study time logged.
> Actually, I took Net+, 210, 215, and 218 4 days in a row... got the
> tests reimbursed by my employer then went back and took 216, 217, 219,
> and 220 all in the same week. Do you think it's possible to _memorize_
> that much information? My employer doesn't. They *know* my cert means
> something because I did it based completely on experience.
>
Well put, and you're exactly the type of candidate who is the
appropriate audience for the exams.

Laura
--
Any condescension detected in this post is fully unintentional and is
solely the perception of the reader. If I think you're an idiot, I'll
tell you that. You won't need to intuit it.

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no that the Goddess has given her blessing you can go ahead and start the
exams.
"Laura A. Robinson" < firstinitiallastname@technolog
ist.com> wrote in message
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> circa Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:00:12 GMT, in
> microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, |{evin (You@dont.need) said,
> > Why even use a book? Certifications are meant to prove that you have
> > the experience. It's not something you study for, get certified, then
> > go get a job to learn from. I took 216 with *0* study time logged.
> > Actually, I took Net+, 210, 215, and 218 4 days in a row... got the
> > tests reimbursed by my employer then went back and took 216, 217, 219,
> > and 220 all in the same week. Do you think it's possible to _memorize_
> > that much information? My employer doesn't. They *know* my cert means
> > something because I did it based completely on experience.
> >
> Well put, and you're exactly the type of candidate who is the
> appropriate audience for the exams.
>
> Laura
> --
> Any condescension detected in this post is fully unintentional and is
> solely the perception of the reader. If I think you're an idiot, I'll
> tell you that. You won't need to intuit it.

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:21:07 -0500, "Steve" <laurafan@bushysnatch.com>
wrote:

>no that the Goddess has given her blessing you can go ahead and start the
>exams.

wow dwight, you could at least have stuck with the same name. headers
don't change.

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:21:07 -0500, "Steve" <laurafan@bushysnatch.com>
wrote:

>no that the Goddess has given her blessing you can go ahead and start the
>exams.

'Now' is the word you are grasping for.

Why would I want to start the exams, if you'd read (I know it's
difficult, but please try) my post, you would have seen that I've
_already_ taken and passed them all.

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Don't end your sentences in prepositions Mr. English professor at Harvard.

dipstick.
"|{evin" <You@dont.need> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:21:07 -0500, "Steve" <laurafan@bushysnatch.com>
> wrote:
>
> >no that the Goddess has given her blessing you can go ahead and start the
> >exams.
>
> 'Now' is the word you are grasping for.
>
> Why would I want to start the exams, if you'd read (I know it's
> difficult, but please try) my post, you would have seen that I've
> _already_ taken and passed them all.
>

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:29:51 -0500, "Steve" <laurafan@bushysnatch.com>
wrote:

>Don't end your sentences in prepositions Mr. English professor at Harvard.

Hey, at least I capitalized the first letter of my sentence, and
properly spelled a 3 letter word. I never claimed to be an English
major. For the record, I had to take English 101 3 times when I was in
college. However, none of this changes the fact that you're still a
moron.

>dipstick.

Love the new signature.

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I disagree with the notion of not using a book. People don't just read books
to study, they read them to learn. How would you fare if you were plonked in
front of an operating system you didn't know and told to get enough
experience with it to pass an exam? You couldn't do it. You would have to
read a book and learn how it works first.
You could apply the same dodgy logic to a Medical degree. That is supposed
to measure your competence as a physician but they need to bury their heads
in a book too.
Are you both claiming to never have used books to study or learn new things
about Windows?

"Laura A. Robinson" < firstinitiallastname@technolog
ist.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.18eb86a9ab2fb33998a453@msnews.microsoft.com...
> circa Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:00:12 GMT, in
> microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, |{evin (You@dont.need) said,
> > Why even use a book? Certifications are meant to prove that you have
> > the experience. It's not something you study for, get certified, then
> > go get a job to learn from. I took 216 with *0* study time logged.
> > Actually, I took Net+, 210, 215, and 218 4 days in a row... got the
> > tests reimbursed by my employer then went back and took 216, 217, 219,
> > and 220 all in the same week. Do you think it's possible to _memorize_
> > that much information? My employer doesn't. They *know* my cert means
> > something because I did it based completely on experience.
> >
> Well put, and you're exactly the type of candidate who is the
> appropriate audience for the exams.
>
> Laura
> --
> Any condescension detected in this post is fully unintentional and is
> solely the perception of the reader. If I think you're an idiot, I'll
> tell you that. You won't need to intuit it.

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:49:46 +1100, "Simon Geary"
<simon_geary@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I disagree with the notion of not using a book. People don't just read books
>to study, they read them to learn. How would you fare if you were plonked in
>front of an operating system you didn't know and told to get enough
>experience with it to pass an exam? You couldn't do it. You would have to
>read a book and learn how it works first.
>You could apply the same dodgy logic to a Medical degree. That is supposed
>to measure your competence as a physician but they need to bury their heads
>in a book too.
>Are you both claiming to never have used books to study or learn new things
>about Windows?

I'm not saying I've never used a book. Books are good. I own several.
What I'm upset about are the books that say "here's what you need to
know to pass this test", not "here's what you need to know to have a
clue about the material".

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