Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
Microsof books.

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Did you have any experience, or are you just looking for someone else
to blame besides yourself.

On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:36:22 -0800, "Chappy"
<chappyg@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
>books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
>havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
>Microsof books.

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i thought sybex were the best of the bunch.. 216 isn't really a book exam...

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> Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
> books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
> havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
> Microsof books.

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>Subject: Sybex books
>From: "Chappy" chappyg@optushome.com.au
>Date: 3/25/2003 3:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: < 392801c2f327$57bb4500$a601280a
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>
>Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
>books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
>havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
>Microsof books.
>
>
>
>
>

You need to be able to comprehend what you read and perform all the exercises
several times each.

Aloha

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I've had nothing but good luck with Sybex books over the years. My dBASE Instant Reference from 1988 still has a spot on my shelf along with my Windows 2000 Profesional MCSE Study Guide.

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"Chappy" <chappyg@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
> books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
> havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
> Microsof books.

Actually, it was you who was crap.

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:36:22 -0800, "Chappy"
<chappyg@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
>books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
>havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
>Microsof books.

No, you failed because you didn't know the material. Trying to get
certified from a book will cause that to happen, you know.

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"Chappy" <chappyg@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
> books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
> havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
> Microsof books.

It doesn't bother me that you failed 216 when all you did to prepare was
read a book. What bothers me is that you passed 210 and 215 just by reading
a book.

--
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I just had to make a couple of comments on this thread.

I'm working towards my MCSE and I have to say that some of the comments on
this thread about those who are studying "books" are more than a little out
of line.

I do have some IT experience, approximately 1 1/2 years, but the company I
worked for folded. I also have a network at home with a couple of servers
and have had AD up and running for about a year. Now, to try to find
another job in this market today is next to impossible without something
behind your name besides a little bit of verifiable experience. An MCSE at
least gives me something that verifies that I can do what I say I can do. Go
do something else you say? Well, that is impossible. I started this
because of having a disability and being unable to perform the tasks of my
former occupation. I would much rather be making $40K + a year than be
starving while I'm learning something new.

I have no doubt that at least few of the people wanting info are situations
like mine, and the rudeness and arrogance I see in the posts when you guys
have no clue as to the circumstances that cause people to use "books" to
help them get a cert is out of line, at least in my estimation.

Ignorance is not stupidity. And I can remember when I didn't know how to
"google" just a couple of years ago. Ignorance didn't mean I couldn't
learn, just that I didn't know about things. I can now "google" with the
best of you.

When a person is learning the new language, for that is what it is when you
first enter this field, just learning the correct terminology to use is a
very limiting factor in their ability to do research. Without that
knowledge of terminology a person can spend fruitless hours of searching and
not be able to find anything. I know, I've always been good at research,
but upon entering this new field of endeavor a new "language" had to be
learned.

I could make you guys all look like idiots too. It wouldn't take me long to
expose your ignorance of the terminology and physics of the HVAC profession.
But, as I said, ignorance isn't stupidity. It is not an indicator of
someone's ability to learn.


"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Chappy" <chappyg@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:392801c2f327$57bb4500$a60
1280a@phx.gbl...
> > Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
> > books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
> > havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
> > Microsof books.
>
> It doesn't bother me that you failed 216 when all you did to prepare was
> read a book. What bothers me is that you passed 210 and 215 just by
reading
> a book.
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> You assume all risk for your use. Not responsible for your inability to
> understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the imaginary gnomes
> living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
> © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
>

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You were the guy that stubebed his toe and claimed=20
workmans comp for 2 years while you studied to find=20
something else to do since you couldn't cut it in HVAc,=20
aren't you...

Difference is, we couldn't care less about HVAC=20
terminology... We didn't go looking for your advice in it=20
either. If HVAC was an overpopulated occupation forcing=20
the existing HVAC workers to take a pay cut because some=20
kid fresh out of tech school is willing to work for $12=20
per hour, I think the HVAC workers would tell them where=20
to go too.

Is it frigid in here, or is it just me? Gary must be=20
working...




>-----Original Message-----
>I just had to make a couple of comments on this thread.
>
>I'm working towards my MCSE and I have to say that some=20
of the comments on
>this thread about those who are studying "books" are more=20
than a little out
>of line.
>
>I do have some IT experience, approximately 1 1/2 years,=20
but the company I
>worked for folded. I also have a network at home with a=20
couple of servers
>and have had AD up and running for about a year. Now,=20
to try to find
>another job in this market today is next to impossible=20
without something
>behind your name besides a little bit of verifiable=20
experience. An MCSE at
>least gives me something that verifies that I can do what=20
I say I can do. Go
>do something else you say? Well, that is impossible. I=20
started this
>because of having a disability and being unable to=20
perform the tasks of my
>former occupation. I would much rather be making $40K +=20
a year than be
>starving while I'm learning something new.
>
>I have no doubt that at least few of the people wanting=20
info are situations
>like mine, and the rudeness and arrogance I see in the=20
posts when you guys
>have no clue as to the circumstances that cause people to=20
use "books" to
>help them get a cert is out of line, at least in my=20
estimation.
>
>Ignorance is not stupidity. And I can remember when I=20
didn't know how to
>"google" just a couple of years ago. Ignorance didn't=20
mean I couldn't
>learn, just that I didn't know about things. I can=20
now "google" with the
>best of you.
>
>When a person is learning the new language, for that is=20
what it is when you
>first enter this field, just learning the correct=20
terminology to use is a
>very limiting factor in their ability to do research. =20
Without that
>knowledge of terminology a person can spend fruitless=20
hours of searching and
>not be able to find anything. I know, I've always been=20
good at research,
>but upon entering this new field of endeavor a=20
new "language" had to be
>learned.
>
>I could make you guys all look like idiots too. It=20
wouldn't take me long to
>expose your ignorance of the terminology and physics of=20
the HVAC profession.
>But, as I said, ignorance isn't stupidity. It is not an=20
indicator of
>someone's ability to learn.
>
>
>"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in=20
message
>news:#iVCGb68CHA.1776@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> "Chappy" <chappyg@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:392801c2f327$57bb4500$a60
1280a@phx.gbl...
>> > Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with=20
these

>> > books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
>> > havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
>> > Microsof books.
>>
>> It doesn't bother me that you failed 216 when all you=20
did to prepare was
>> read a book. What bothers me is that you passed 210 and=20
215 just by
>reading
>> a book.
>>
>> --
>> Politician Spock
>> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
>> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties,=20
and confers no
>rights.
>> You assume all risk for your use. Not responsible for=20
your inability to
>> understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the=20
imaginary gnomes
>> living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
>> =A9 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
>>
>
>
>.
>

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