Hi All...

The CEH is a good course and certification. I have been doing Security work for many years without certifications in anything. What is known is that foundstone is a leading secuirty company.
But those Kiddie Scripts you guys are talking about, still work.
They do port scan.
They do Footprinting.
They find holes.
In the old days. You would use your own script becuase it was an underground thing.
Security was not a known issue as it is today.

Tools are available today.
Why recreate the wheel.
Nothing has changed on the network.
Todays tools are BRUTAL, FREE and they work.
KIDDIE SCRIPTS.
Kiddie scripts can compromise most systems.
They were built by Ethical Hackers for test purposes.
You better know them.
Don't be in front of your Employer telling him the network you should have secured was compromised by a kidde script.
Get the drift.

The Certified Eathical Hacker Certification.
Lets you know how to read the report.
You can say it easy, but its not.
Fully understanding some reports are a task in itself.
Only by breaking into system can you undrstand how to secure.
Everything a hacker needs today is either available in applications or built into the OS.
The Cisco Security Certifications are awesome. But they are vendor based. You will nto get a broad picture of what is happening.

So take my word for it.
It is worth the $$$ for the Certification.
As mentioned there are not many books on the subject.
That leaves room for books, instructors, and etc.
Security in todays world is needed.
The importance of this course cannot be overlooked.
Just look at the outline.

It is true it can be done and practice at home. But if you need the training get it.

Just my opinion.
Like everyone elses.

If you need help with CEH contact me @

muhammad54@netzero.net

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I like Blackhats better.

It's usually not far away and it seems to draw a more distinguished crowd...

Defcon, when wants to check out the latest Hacker Fashions and Art Decor...

As far as hacking for hackers in concerned, the very best offense has always been a strong defense.

If you play hacking games for very long this becomes the rule.

Defend what you have, take what you can, and live to be free another day.

This is what "Hacking is about".

As far as the famous 3-Gig trove - I still have it.

Most of the tools would seem much too common and outdated...

That is until you start to realize what they really are...

You see, they are not the garden variety tools that an AV would detect, nope!

They have been modified and they are much more stealthier.

On days when I have time I try to dissect them with my Sniffer and see which ones my IDS can pick up or not...



So, which convention would you like to go to, hmmm... This would be up to your preference and budget.

Defcon is cheaper in more ways than one.

But select your choices wisely, I don't thing it would benefit someone if all they were doing was going just to be seen...

That is not what the "scene" is about...

Sorry I don't have time to wrangle words with you...

I do have qualifications to amass and Enterprise Networks to run...



Gotta make the bucks you know...

Good luck!

And no real disrespect to Defcon, everyone starts somewhere...

And I guess if you like to mix your hacking with partying it would be the place...

Did I ever tell you about the guy with the green tipped pony-tail?

Well, he helped me pass my CEH, sort of...

Nice of him, a recognized security guru and Defcon attendee/speaker/"expert" to come into my domain...

Ha! Ha!

I guess we can all play games a bit can we not?

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CCNP+MCNS CCDP CCDA CCNA CSE
MCSE+I, MCSE, MCP+I, MCPS MCT
MCSA/MCSE 2000 + messaging
MCSA 2003
CCEA CCA LBS ICAS RMS IMS CCSP
Certified Ethical Hacker
Cisco Voice Certs: UCSE
A+ Network+ I-Net+
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Cisco WLAN SE/FE
CCIE-Written:RS
Cisco Global Product Support AVVID Field Engineer (VoIP, R&S, CAT 4224, and ICS 7750)

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To think, I, comblues, was referred to go to Defcon, and have my XXX handed to me...

Hmmm...

Interesting thought.

However, I live on the net and as such, I do what I please. I may be a long-time script kiddie to some but I know how to use my tools to great advantage - some or most of the time at least.

It's been a while back, but it is still kind of funny - I guess the dude who said it really never heard of me at all...

Hmmm...

Still amusing.

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CCNP+MCNS CCDP CCDA CCNA CSE
MCSE+I, MCSE, MCP+I, MCPS MCT
MCSA/MCSE 2000 + messaging
MCSA 2003
CCEA CCA LBS ICAS RMS IMS CCSP
Certified Ethical Hacker
Cisco Voice Certs: UCSE
A+ Network+ I-Net+
Certified Internet Security Specialist
Cisco WLAN SE/FE
CCIE-Written:RS
Cisco Global Product Support AVVID Field Engineer (VoIP, R&S, CAT 4224, and ICS 7750)

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