that's all 7 done for MCSA/MCSE
40 quest on:
Fabrikam, Proseware, Hiabauv Toys & GBC, Answers in different order to
Testkings
but a proud 797 did it, (pass mark is 613)

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That is great. So now all Microsoft has to do to see what a cheating fool you
are is to look at their exam results for 3/17/2003 and see who scored a proud
797 with the same case files.

Congrats on your PAPER MCSE!!!

Aloha

>From: "mh" mh@bloggs.com

>hat's all 7 done for MCSA/MCSE
>40 quest on:
>Fabrikam, Proseware, Hiabauv Toys & GBC, Answers in different order to
>Testkings
>but a proud 797 did it, (pass mark is 613)
>

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is it illegal to read testking? does microsoft say it isent legal? all thay
say that I have read is that its not legal to write down answers you have
got from the test

"Hawaiian Reno" <sgtt0001@aol.commo> wrote in message
news:20030317123705.27803.00000255@mb-cg.aol.com...
> That is great. So now all Microsoft has to do to see what a cheating fool
you
> are is to look at their exam results for 3/17/2003 and see who scored a
proud
> 797 with the same case files.
>
> Congrats on your PAPER MCSE!!!
>
> Aloha
>
> >From: "mh" mh@bloggs.com
>
> >hat's all 7 done for MCSA/MCSE
> >40 quest on:
> >Fabrikam, Proseware, Hiabauv Toys & GBC, Answers in different order to
> >Testkings
> >but a proud 797 did it, (pass mark is 613)
> >
>
>

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>From: "Jan Gunnar Lütcherath"

>all thay
>say that I have read is that its not legal to write down answers you have
>got from the test

You can read whatever you want. Study guides that duplicate actual exam
questions is cheating.

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It may not be illegal but when it comes down to actually using what you have
learnt, good luck. Those case studies are good examples but just that
examples. The real world you need real knowledge and a good understanding
of the material.

Memorizing case studies, exams, cheat sheets are not gonna help you.

Good luck to you and more to your future employer.

And don't say you do know your stuff, if you really did you would have known
you don't need a cheat sheet to pass.

Rod


"Hawaiian Reno" <sgtt0001@aol.commo> wrote in message
news:20030317141926.18361.00000051@mb-cb.aol.com...
> >From: "Jan Gunnar Lütcherath"
>
> >all thay
> >say that I have read is that its not legal to write down answers you have
> >got from the test
>
> You can read whatever you want. Study guides that duplicate actual exam
> questions is cheating.
>

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Testking is located in Pakistan, currently outside of Microsoft's legal
reach. There is no question however that they sell braindumps.

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"Jan Gunnar Lütcherath" <lutcherath@chello.no> wrote in message
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> is it illegal to read testking? does microsoft say it isent legal? all
thay
> say that I have read is that its not legal to write down answers you have
> got from the test
>

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The original cheater, err, um poster.


"Hawaiian Reno" <sgtt0001@aol.commo> wrote in message
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> Who you talking to Rod?
>
> >Subject: Re: Passed 70-219 today
> >From: "A Guy" rbuike@msn.com
> >Date: 3/17/2003 1:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <yPqda.2621$zl.10371@news1.mts.net>
> >
> >It may not be illegal but when it comes down to actually using what you
have
> >learnt, good luck. Those case studies are good examples but just that
> >examples. The real world you need real knowledge and a good
understanding[colo
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> >of the material.
> >
> >Memorizing case studies, exams, cheat sheets are not gonna help you.
> >
> >Good luck to you and more to your future employer.
> >
> >And don't say you do know your stuff, if you really did you would have[/color]
known

> >you don't need a cheat sheet to pass.
> >
> >Rod
> >
> >
> >"Hawaiian Reno" <sgtt0001@aol.commo> wrote in message
> >news:20030317141926.18361.00000051@mb-cb.aol.com...
> >> >From: "Jan Gunnar Lütcherath"
> >>
> >> >all thay
> >> >say that I have read is that its not legal to write down answers you
have[
color=darkred]
> >> >got from the test
> >>
> >> You can read whatever you want. Study guides that duplicate actual exam
> >> questions is cheating.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>[/color]

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congratulations.

a pass is a pass.

--
Frédéric
MCP, CIWA, i-Net+, A+
http://fredsfastcram.netfirms.com
"Certification will always make you stand out over the competition"


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"mh" <mh@bloggs.com> wrote in message
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> that's all 7 done for MCSA/MCSE
> 40 quest on:
> Fabrikam, Proseware, Hiabauv Toys & GBC, Answers in different order to
> Testkings
> but a proud 797 did it, (pass mark is 613)
>
>

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:30:55 -0500, "Frédéric"
<frederic_quebec2002@yahoo.com> wrote:

>congratulations.
>
>a pass is a pass.
>
>--
>Frédéric
>MCP, CIWA, i-Net+, A+
>http://fredsfastcram.netfirms.com
>"Certification will always make you stand out over the competition"


I am always amazed at the numbers of people that respond very strongly
to people who have passed an exam using braindumps, cheat sheets, and
example tests, whatever....

First of all most of the MS exams are almost worthless, and the exam
security is a laugh.... Most companies who publish books and exam
preparation material still manage to supply any student with enough
material that is very similar to the actual exam, and I am not going
to go into how they manage to do that. So the material is available
whatever way you cut it!

Secondly, most of the study and testing is not suited for real world
situations, it is just a test of knowledge and a really badly designed
one at that... In the university when I was doing the engineering
classes, we would have instructors which were satisfied with teaching
the curriculum, and then ask questions similar to the ones in the
books and other reference material, but not really deep questions that
forced you to think, and deal with a new situation.. Unfortunately you
had to memorize some of the formulas, etc for their exams (not open
book exam).... There were also other instructors who were going deep
into the material, and giving "open-book" exams where you are allowed
to bring whatever books, reference material you wanted with the
exception of exam questions and their solutions from previous years'
exams.... If you did not understand the material, you can bring
anything to the exam but it wouldn't help much. You had to think and
sometimes be creative, interpreting questions, and even justifying
your position/interpretation before going into the solution of a
problem, otherwise you would get only a partial credit for the
answer... Now tell me which approach of the two different types of
teaching and testing is better.. The first one forces you to cheat
sheets, brain dumps, and similar... The other forces you to learn the
stuff.. You can still make use of the cheat sheets and brain dumps,
because they are another method to supplement your studies, and easy
methods to remember something quickly (as long as you understand the
material). But without an understanding of the material they will not
take you very far in the second type of study/exam situation or real
life!

The way I see it it is a person's own responsibility how he approaches
his stufy and exam...

I could hardly fault anybody to use any means (incuding cheat sheets,
brain dumps, etc), because they are part of the study strategy, and a
means to an end... Since MS seems not to care about their
certification credibility, and whatever you learn while studying for
MCSE exams is not real-life applicable, can someone tell me really the
worth of the certification... It is even worse now, because the time
to introduce a new product or version is so short, most of us are
trying to play catch up, what with all the work, projetcs, studying,
and this and that... You need 36 hr days, so that you can work 12 hrs,
study 8 hrs, and rest for 8 hrs, and have some kind of social life in
the remaining 8 hrs...
Furthermore people that have the experience with the product (working
day-in-day-out) sometimes fail these exams, and this is another
pointer to how relevant the exams results are to the knowledge and
experience of the people....

I think, it is not really so important that you pass or fail an
exam... The most important is whether you know your stuff, or making
an effort to learn/know your stuff and how far have you progressed if
you are still learning it... The exams and certification is, at this
moment, just an annoying hassle that you have to somehow get through!

Another point is that in the workplace, the certification may not
ammount to anything after a while, because eventually the paper MCSE
will not be able to keep up his side of the deal, whereas anybody with
the right experience, knowledge, and attitude will be able to display
his/her qualities!


Anways, this is my 2 cents for what it's worth...

Sincerely,

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two cents worth
Sounds more like 99cents worth
but long winded you are right


<Sys> wrote in message news:qide7vojlaqhrvlpdg1d6v5hc
psce0a8ng@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:30:55 -0500, "Frédéric"
> <frederic_quebec2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >congratulations.
> >
> >a pass is a pass.
> >
> >--
> >Frédéric
> >MCP, CIWA, i-Net+, A+
> >http://fredsfastcram.netfirms.com
> >"Certification will always make you stand out over the competition"
>
>
> I am always amazed at the numbers of people that respond very strongly
> to people who have passed an exam using braindumps, cheat sheets, and
> example tests, whatever....
>
> First of all most of the MS exams are almost worthless, and the exam
> security is a laugh.... Most companies who publish books and exam
> preparation material still manage to supply any student with enough
> material that is very similar to the actual exam, and I am not going
> to go into how they manage to do that. So the material is available
> whatever way you cut it!
>
> Secondly, most of the study and testing is not suited for real world
> situations, it is just a test of knowledge and a really badly designed
> one at that... In the university when I was doing the engineering
> classes, we would have instructors which were satisfied with teaching
> the curriculum, and then ask questions similar to the ones in the
> books and other reference material, but not really deep questions that
> forced you to think, and deal with a new situation.. Unfortunately you
> had to memorize some of the formulas, etc for their exams (not open
> book exam).... There were also other instructors who were going deep
> into the material, and giving "open-book" exams where you are allowed
> to bring whatever books, reference material you wanted with the
> exception of exam questions and their solutions from previous years'
> exams.... If you did not understand the material, you can bring
> anything to the exam but it wouldn't help much. You had to think and
> sometimes be creative, interpreting questions, and even justifying
> your position/interpretation before going into the solution of a
> problem, otherwise you would get only a partial credit for the
> answer... Now tell me which approach of the two different types of
> teaching and testing is better.. The first one forces you to cheat
> sheets, brain dumps, and similar... The other forces you to learn the
> stuff.. You can still make use of the cheat sheets and brain dumps,
> because they are another method to supplement your studies, and easy
> methods to remember something quickly (as long as you understand the
> material). But without an understanding of the material they will not
> take you very far in the second type of study/exam situation or real
> life!
>
> The way I see it it is a person's own responsibility how he approaches
> his stufy and exam...
>
> I could hardly fault anybody to use any means (incuding cheat sheets,
> brain dumps, etc), because they are part of the study strategy, and a
> means to an end... Since MS seems not to care about their
> certification credibility, and whatever you learn while studying for
> MCSE exams is not real-life applicable, can someone tell me really the
> worth of the certification... It is even worse now, because the time
> to introduce a new product or version is so short, most of us are
> trying to play catch up, what with all the work, projetcs, studying,
> and this and that... You need 36 hr days, so that you can work 12 hrs,
> study 8 hrs, and rest for 8 hrs, and have some kind of social life in
> the remaining 8 hrs...
> Furthermore people that have the experience with the product (working
> day-in-day-out) sometimes fail these exams, and this is another
> pointer to how relevant the exams results are to the knowledge and
> experience of the people....
>
> I think, it is not really so important that you pass or fail an
> exam... The most important is whether you know your stuff, or making
> an effort to learn/know your stuff and how far have you progressed if
> you are still learning it... The exams and certification is, at this
> moment, just an annoying hassle that you have to somehow get through!
>
> Another point is that in the workplace, the certification may not
> ammount to anything after a while, because eventually the paper MCSE
> will not be able to keep up his side of the deal, whereas anybody with
> the right experience, knowledge, and attitude will be able to display
> his/her qualities!
>
>
> Anways, this is my 2 cents for what it's worth...
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>

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