alt.certification.mcse

Author

First Post

InDirect

2004-02-25, 4:26 am

First some humor...(stolt from the OTHER cert group)

>http://www.telegraphindia.com/10402...ory_2900904.asp
>
LMAO. That kid is EXACTLY how I looked at MCSE's over the last 15
years (comming from Unix). Bright, young and completely clueless.

Unfortantely, I am forced to make a go at MCSE now. Amazing how
everything I know on Linux translates directly to this MS stuff now.
After spending some time with some 2000 CD training I have a new found
respect for MCSE's. I thought I was one of only a few that knew really
how everything DNS/DHCP/SMTP(IMAP/POP)/LDAP (AD for linux)
conceptually worked (well I used to be one of the few) but now realize
that you MUST understand these at the level I do (and then some) to
get passed in some of these courses. Totally new found respect for
earned MCSE's.

At least conceptually, there's seems to a function for everything that
Linux has done for my company for years, DHCP, DNS, AD/LDAP, Sendmail,
Virtual Web Servers and such.

Pretty nice, the things you can do with MS 2000 Server that I never
even tried in linux yet, like that DFS (my company/servers too small
to go beyond the basics).

There is a dialog box for every darned thing you can do wheras in
Linux is text config files in /etc. Going from the man page/text
editing mode to dialogs seems to be a LOT easier. But I still feel
intimidated that I cant run a full OS off of CD and *get access* to
my Windows Configuration (AFAIK) like i did linux.

In Linux I can use the Knoppix to access EVERY config file with a
simple editor on the boot CD. Yes, it takes years to memorize most
configurations, DHCP, DNS and LDAP but getting in to a system in a
pinch once you do.

(BTW, is there a linux util that can read the registry files straight
from the registry files (system/ntsuer))? That would be a nice
addition to the knoppix CD.

Just some ramblings from a *Basic* Simple NT Domain Admin who has
about 13 years of Unix/Linux XP (no irony intended) and most of it
RedHat.

Going thru the LearnKey CDs now. Wish me luck?

Rex Tincher

2004-02-25, 10:25 am

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:33:40 GMT, InDirect <koolb@notmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>Amazing how
>everything I know on Linux translates directly to this MS stuff now.

Most operating systems have a lot in common since they are all trying
to accomplish similar things. After you've dealt with a dozen
different ones it gets pretty easy to learn new ones.

>After spending some time with some 2000 CD training I have a new found
>respect for MCSE's.
<snip>

Unfortunately, many MCSE learn how to pass the tests rather than
actually understanding the material. And the real-world is different
from what Microsoft thinks. I spend half my time in Microsoft exams
silently screaming at the computer "No, you idiot! That solution will
come back to bite you next month! Do this instead!" And of course
that real-world answer is never one of the possible choices.

>Pretty nice, the things you can do with MS 2000 Server that I never
>even tried in linux yet, like that DFS (my company/servers too small
>to go beyond the basics).

I can't figure out any real-life situation where DFS would be better
than using an Intranet website.

>There is a dialog box for every darned thing you can do wheras in
>Linux is text config files in /etc.
<snip>

The trick is *finding* the proper dialog box. Microsoft moves some of
them in every new version, just to confuse people. I'm not kidding.

>But I still feel
>intimidated that I cant run a full OS off of CD and *get access* to
>my Windows Configuration (AFAIK) like i did linux.
<snip>

Either:
1. Load the emergency recovery console using winnt32.exe /cmdcons
or
2. Setup your computers to dual-boot to another copy of Win2K that is
loaded on a second partition. (requires second license)

--
Computer network administrator available for work
in the Dayton, Ohio USA area. BS CS, MCSE, and twenty
years of experience in the computer industry.
See my resume at http://www.tincher.to/resume.htm

Doug Scott

2004-02-25, 1:26 pm

InDirect,

> Going thru the LearnKey CDs now. Wish me luck?

Indeed. Yes, I came to Windows from Unix, and did look down on the
Microsofties, and that's still lingering there. There's no doubt that
Win2k and its successors is complex, and MS have done a fair job. The
feeling lingers simply because it took them too long, and from such a
height of arrogance. They do seems to have realised what the real world
looks like, and are applying their earlier user-friendliness to their
solutions.

Yes, good luck. You should find it OK, as long as you can remember the
terminology differences :-)

---

Doug

dwscott@ieee.org

Sponsored Links