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I believe I have a corrupt TCP stack.... or so the Tech from Microsoft
believes
I am getting BSOD's after installing SP4 and I cant restore or roll back.
Has anybody done this and is there much risk involved ?
I says remove the DNS, DHCP and WIN's servers,
1/ when I reinstall the services will I have to redo the DHCP scope and DNS
or will it be stored and automatically re configure.
2/ The previous Network guy did not keep documentation, so I don't really
know the IP's of the printers around the site, will these IP's still be
saved
3/ also it says the shares will be lost... now I have over a thousand users
with shared home directories... would I have to re share ALL of these ?
4/ This little sentence scares the willies out of me "and then add back DNS
and any other components that had been previously configured"
How difficult on a scale of 1 to 10 would this be?
4/ Is there some easier way?
thanks
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| Hmmm - and you are in charge of this network?
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"RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com> wrote in message
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> Hmmm - and you are in charge of this network?
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Mmm sarcasm the lowest form of wit....... You know RussS.. we all have to
start somewhere... At least I identified the cause of the problem and just
want to bounce this off of some people on the newsgroups before I do this
for the FIRST time....
Yes I am in charge its not a big network it has 5 servers and a couple
hundred PC', as I said the previous Network manager was a bit lax in the
documentation area
OK smarty-pants
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| First off - if I was gonna be sarcastic I sure as hell would have been a
whole bunch more sarcastic than that. What I wanted to know was if you were
in charge of maybe a junior who wanted to provide the 'silver bullet' answer
for his boss.
"I believe I have a corrupt TCP stack.... or so the Tech from Microsoft
believes"
This is based on the info below or did you supply further info to him?
"I am getting BSOD's after installing SP4 and I cant restore or roll back."
Why can you not roll back?
Error messages?
"Has anybody done this and is there much risk involved ?
I says remove the DNS, DHCP and WIN's servers,"
Not entirely certain of what you mean there?
"1/ when I reinstall the services will I have to redo the DHCP scope and
DNS
or will it be stored and automatically re configure."
Chances are that you will have to restore the DHCP & DNS - providing of
course it is hosted on that server. If not then it wont be a problem.
"2/ The previous Network guy did not keep documentation, so I don't really
know the IP's of the printers around the site, will these IP's still be
saved"
That depends on where they are hosted etc? Are they on printservers or do
they have direct TCP/IP capability?
"3/ also it says the shares will be lost... now I have over a thousand users
with shared home directories... would I have to re share ALL of these ?"
Not necessarily. If those shares are on the server you are going to be
working on then if that server has the same name and IP address then it
shouldnt be a biggie.
"4/ This little sentence scares the willies out of me "and then add back DNS
and any other components that had been previously configured"
How difficult on a scale of 1 to 10 would this be?"
Sounds like fairly high on the scale for your experience, however it is most
certainly doable.
"4/ Is there some easier way?"
Yes - find out why you can not roll back your service pack.
Ok - firstly I suggest you document EVERYTHING asap. If you are getting
blus screens then your users will be having issues and will get pissed
rapidly.
Try http://www.aida32.hu/aida-features.php for auditing your users machines.
Next - add this site to your favourites http://www.experts-exchange.com
Thirdly - did I say document all changes? Well do that at each and every
change.
Last - a little hint ... Never, and boy do I mean NEVER ... install a
service pack on a live machine unless you have either
1 - Tried it on a lab machine (not always possible on an equivalent server,
but a box with the same OS patched to the same level and running the same
services and apps can be a great help).
2 - Have done a full backup first.
3 - Have an option to replace or roll back that server if it all turns to
custard.
4 - Have seriously read up on any possible issues.
BTW - I would love to hear how you get on.
Russ
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| Thank you
Sorry for the misunderstanding
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Ope...Q_20878948.html
"RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com> wrote in message
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> First off - if I was gonna be sarcastic I sure as hell would have been a
> whole bunch more sarcastic than that. What I wanted to know was if you
were
> in charge of maybe a junior who wanted to provide the 'silver bullet'
answer
> for his boss.
>
> "I believe I have a corrupt TCP stack.... or so the Tech from Microsoft
> believes"
> This is based on the info below or did you supply further info to him?
>
> "I am getting BSOD's after installing SP4 and I cant restore or roll
back."
> Why can you not roll back?
> Error messages?
>
> "Has anybody done this and is there much risk involved ?
> I says remove DNS, DHCP,"
> Not entirely certain of what you mean there?
>
> "1/ when I reinstall the services will I have to redo the DHCP scope and
> DNS
> or will it be stored and automatically re configure."
> Chances are that you will have to restore the DHCP & DNS - providing of
> course it is hosted on that server. If not then it wont be a problem.
>
> "2/ The previous Network guy did not keep documentation, so I don't really
> know the IP's of the printers around the site, will these IP's still be
> saved"
> That depends on where they are hosted etc? Are they on printservers or do
> they have direct TCP/IP capability?
>
> "3/ also it says the shares will be lost... now I have over a thousand
users
> with shared home directories... would I have to re share ALL of these ?"
> Not necessarily. If those shares are on the server you are going to be
> working on then if that server has the same name and IP address then it
> shouldnt be a biggie.
>
> "4/ This little sentence scares the willies out of me "and then add back
DNS
> and any other components that had been previously configured"
> How difficult on a scale of 1 to 10 would this be?"
> Sounds like fairly high on the scale for your experience, however it is
most
> certainly doable.
>
> "4/ Is there some easier way?"
> Yes - find out why you can not roll back your service pack.
>
> Ok - firstly I suggest you document EVERYTHING asap. If you are getting
> blus screens then your users will be having issues and will get pissed
> rapidly.
> Try http://www.aida32.hu/aida-features.php for auditing your users
machines.
>
>
> Next - add this site to your favourites http://www.experts-exchange.com
>
> Thirdly - did I say document all changes? Well do that at each and every
> change.
>
> Last - a little hint ... Never, and boy do I mean NEVER ... install a
> service pack on a live machine unless you have either
> 1 - Tried it on a lab machine (not always possible on an equivalent
server,
> but a box with the same OS patched to the same level and running the same
> services and apps can be a great help).
> 2 - Have done a full backup first.
> 3 - Have an option to replace or roll back that server if it all turns to
> custard.
> 4 - Have seriously read up on any possible issues.
>
>
> BTW - I would love to hear how you get on.
>
> Russ
>
>
>
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| RussS 2004-02-20, 10:26 pm |
| No problemo
Another Q for ya?
The Micrososoft tech wasn't just talking about your LOCAL TCP/IP by any
chance was he?
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| Doug Sherman [MVP] 2004-02-21, 12:26 am |
| Have you tried using the recovery console to uninstall SP4? See:
http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;en-us;825062
Doug Sherman
MCSE Win2k/NT4.0, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP
"Blaze" <asfdaf@aff.com> wrote in message
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> http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;EN-US;299451
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> I believe I have a corrupt TCP stack.... or so the Tech from Microsoft
> believes
>
> I am getting BSOD's after installing SP4 and I cant restore or roll back.
>
> Has anybody done this and is there much risk involved ?
> I says remove the DNS, DHCP and WIN's servers,
>
> 1/ when I reinstall the services will I have to redo the DHCP scope and
DNS
> or will it be stored and automatically re configure.
>
> 2/ The previous Network guy did not keep documentation, so I don't really
> know the IP's of the printers around the site, will these IP's still be
> saved
>
> 3/ also it says the shares will be lost... now I have over a thousand
users
> with shared home directories... would I have to re share ALL of these ?
>
> 4/ This little sentence scares the willies out of me "and then add back
DNS
> and any other components that had been previously configured"
> How difficult on a scale of 1 to 10 would this be?
>
> 4/ Is there some easier way?
>
> thanks
>
>
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| go to google and search winsockfix.exe
nice tool for the job
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:01:57 -0000, "Blaze" <asfdaf@aff.com> wrote:
>http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;EN-US;299451
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>I believe I have a corrupt TCP stack.... or so the Tech from Microsoft
>believes
>
>I am getting BSOD's after installing SP4 and I cant restore or roll back.
>
>Has anybody done this and is there much risk involved ?
>I says remove the DNS, DHCP and WIN's servers,
>
>1/ when I reinstall the services will I have to redo the DHCP scope and DNS
>or will it be stored and automatically re configure.
>
>2/ The previous Network guy did not keep documentation, so I don't really
>know the IP's of the printers around the site, will these IP's still be
>saved
>
>3/ also it says the shares will be lost... now I have over a thousand users
>with shared home directories... would I have to re share ALL of these ?
>
>4/ This little sentence scares the willies out of me "and then add back DNS
>and any other components that had been previously configured"
>How difficult on a scale of 1 to 10 would this be?
>
>4/ Is there some easier way?
>
>thanks
>
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| Blaze 2004-02-21, 10:25 am |
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"RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com> wrote in message
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> No problemo
>
> Another Q for ya?
> The Micrososoft tech wasn't just talking about your LOCAL TCP/IP by any
> chance was he?
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>
http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;EN-US;299451
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Ope...Q_20878948.html
The Server that this needs to done on is a DC with AD, DHCP. DNS, and is
also the main file server with 1000 home directories, I have a second DC
which hosts the ISA and Exchange servers..and of course the AD replication
the reason that I cannot switch servers is that there is security software
called Ranger on the main DC and users cannot log on unless the main DC is
working and Ranger authenticates them.
the reason that I cannot roll back is that the Tech that put SP4 on did not
archive, I had put SP4 onto 50% of PC's on site before doing the servers
As you see from the Experts-Exchange question only the DC server is BSOD'ing
As for a backup restore....the SP4 was installed 6 months back and BSOD'ed a
few times before I thought was stable again, but 2 weeks ago it collapsed,
and we have no backup for this server further back than a month, also
nothing else has been installed on the server for 6 months....
there are no viruses..
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| hmmmm - I would think that SP4 was past causing issues by now.
Another Q for ya .... when the server comes up with the BSOD is there major
disruption for the network users or is it localised?
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"RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com> wrote in message
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> hmmmm - I would think that SP4 was past causing issues by now.
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> Another Q for ya .... when the server comes up with the BSOD is there
major
> disruption for the network users or is it localised?
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No user that has ranger security installed can log on... 90% of users LOL
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| Sounds like a very localised problem and possibly if it is in the TCP/IP
stack, then just in the local one for that server.
Have you tried just removing the TCP/IP stack for that machine and
reinstalling it?
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"RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com> wrote in message
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> Sounds like a very localised problem and possibly if it is in the TCP/IP
> stack, then just in the local one for that server.
> Have you tried just removing the TCP/IP stack for that machine and
> reinstalling it?
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No Not yet... good idea.. I'll try that on Monday...
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"Blaze" <asfdaf@aff.com> wrote in message
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> "RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com> wrote in message
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> No Not yet... good idea.. I'll try that on Monday...
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What do you think of this program ? winsockfix.exe
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"Blaze" <asfdaf@aff.com> wrote in message
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> "Blaze" <asfdaf@aff.com> wrote in message
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TCP/IP[color=blue]
> What do you think of this program ? winsockfix.exe
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Sorry would you advise me to just go to the Local Area Connection Properties
of each card and remove the TCP/IP protocol or do this
http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;EN-US;299451 ?
cheers
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| RussS 2004-02-21, 11:25 pm |
| Havent tried winsockfix.exe - I might run it on a test machine and have a
look at it.
I would suggest just blowing away the TCP from each NIC as a first up
experiment - sure as heck can't hurt.
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| Varmint243 2004-02-22, 12:25 am |
| Check the simple things first
BSOD could be caused by a simple hardware issue like cooling or ram or
unnecessary programs running and stepping on each other
Try to pin down exactly what triggers the BSOD
I recommend building another server and migrating in parallel to the new sever
rather than messing with your current problem server. You could really do some
damage trying to experiment with fixes on a production server
After migrating you can fix the problem server and use it for a
standby/hotspare. A server this critical warrants a standby in any case
you are in a very tight spot here, be Careful with this
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"RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com> wrote in message
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> Havent tried winsockfix.exe - I might run it on a test machine and have a
> look at it.
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> I would suggest just blowing away the TCP from each NIC as a first up
> experiment - sure as heck can't hurt.
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Yep will do... somehow the Proliant keeps the card settings invisible after
removing the cards ??
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"Varmint243" <varmint243@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Check the simple things first
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> BSOD could be caused by a simple hardware issue like cooling or ram or
> unnecessary programs running and stepping on each other
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> Try to pin down exactly what triggers the BSOD
>
> I recommend building another server and migrating in parallel to the new
sever
> rather than messing with your current problem server. You could really do
some
> damage trying to experiment with fixes on a production server
>
> After migrating you can fix the problem server and use it for a
> standby/hotspare. A server this critical warrants a standby in any case
>
> you are in a very tight spot here, be Careful with this
Thanks fro the advice...
we unfortunately have only 1 server and no spare.. I have asked the powers
that be for the authorisation to purchase another proliant so as to have an
exact replica to restore to
> Try to pin down exactly what triggers the BSOD
activation of the network cards... any make or model
> you are in a very tight spot here, be Careful with this
will sure do
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| Remove the TCP/IP settings BEFORE you uninstall the NIC ... no NIC = no
settings, as the settings need to bind to a NIC.
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| Marlin Munrow 2004-02-22, 3:25 pm |
| On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:56:45 +1300, "RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com>
wrote:
>Remove the TCP/IP settings BEFORE you uninstall the NIC ... no NIC = no
>settings, as the settings need to bind to a NIC.
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Has NO ONE EVER HEARD OF RESTORING FROM A FULL SYSTEM BACKUP ? ? ? !
(you must have taken one . . . surely ?)
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"Marlin Munrow" <the_pfy@hotvroomfondlemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:56:45 +1300, "RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com>
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> Has NO ONE EVER HEARD OF RESTORING FROM A FULL SYSTEM BACKUP ? ? ? !
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Yes there is a full system backup.... 1day, 1 week, 1 month... the SP4 was
installed over 6 months ago so the backups are corrupt :-( I wish they were
OK
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| Marlin Munrow 2004-02-23, 6:26 am |
| On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:05:44 -0000, "Blaze" <asfdaf@aff.com> wrote:
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>"Marlin Munrow" <the_pfy@hotvroomfondlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Yes there is a full system backup.... 1day, 1 week, 1 month... the SP4 was
>installed over 6 months ago so the backups are corrupt :-( I wish they were
>OK
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OUCH!
Untested backups - you have my sympathy
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| Phillip Windell 2004-02-23, 3:25 pm |
| Why not just build a second (even if temporary) Domain Controller along side
this one and move the duties over to it to keep things going then rebuild
this one from scratch and forget it.
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Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com
"Blaze" <asfdaf@aff.com> wrote in message news:RP8_b.15$6l4.2@newsfe1-win...
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> "Marlin Munrow" <the_pfy@hotvroomfondlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:590i301jcrvki7386rhgm8eb0
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> Yes there is a full system backup.... 1day, 1 week, 1 month... the SP4
was
> installed over 6 months ago so the backups are corrupt :-( I wish they
were
> OK
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"RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com> wrote in message
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> Sounds like a very localised problem and possibly if it is in the TCP/IP
> stack, then just in the local one for that server.
> Have you tried just removing the TCP/IP stack for that machine and
> reinstalling it?
>
>
I tried to uninstall TCP/IP from the local area connection, of the cards on
the DC server... but was unable to because the uninstall was greyed out, on
all the local area connections... ?
any Ideas on haw to remove the TCP/IP protocol ?
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| Marina Roos [SBS-MVP] 2004-02-24, 6:26 pm |
| You are logged in as Administrator, right? Is that server fully patched?
Have a look at article 299451 about how to do that on a DC.
You might look at article 236869 for installing a loopback adapter
temporarily.
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Regards,
Marina
Microsoft SBS-MVP
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> "RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com> wrote in message
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> I tried to uninstall TCP/IP from the local area connection, of the cards
on
> the DC server... but was unable to because the uninstall was greyed out,
on
> all the local area connections... ?
>
> any Ideas on haw to remove the TCP/IP protocol ?
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