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| Elvis A. Presley 2004-02-16, 6:26 pm |
| First Guys, Recognize that TIMES HAVE CHANGED!!!
"SUPPLY & DEMAND" is the key here.
Just a few years ago if you could spell the word "PC" you might
qualify for $40,000 a year job!!
During the IT/.Com boom there were WAY more jobs than there were IT
people to fill them! It was a SELLER's market. People were kissing our
XXX to come work for them! We could demand more money, stock options
or whatever! They would even pay for that CNE or MCSE training!
Zoom to 2004..............
THOUSANDS of HIGHLY qualified IT bodies are laid off. Pension plans
cashed out, houses foreclosed on and many bankruptcies filed!!
Guys who were making $50-60-100,000+ a year have been out of work for
months even YEARS! MCSE, CNE,CCNA even CCIE's OUT OF WORK!!
RESULT: It is a BUYER's market! AND these companies know it!!
EVERY job opening brings in HUNDRED's of resumes if not thousands!!
Resume's from HIGHLY qualified IT people! People who are so desperate
for a job, ANY job that they will go to work for $10/12 an hour (or
even less). They will work that crappy desktop job, doing XP upgrades
or answering help desk calls.....
Add to this picture that THOUSANDS of support & programming jobs are
going to India & China via outsourcing!
Oh and don't forget all the zero-experience numbnuts coming out of IT
schools who were told that a "high paying career in IT" is waiting
after they get that A+ or MCSE!! THEY wiill work for nothing!
Employers now can:
1. Demand outrageous amounts of certs/experience/degrees.
2. Demand you tell them EXACTLY how much you USED to make (or we won't
even consider you).
3. Offer you shit money for work that used to worth 100, 200% or more
per year salary.
4. Throw away hundreds of well experienced appllicant's resumes as
they have gigantic piles of them to play with.
I know of onecase where the same job post in 1998 drew only 10 resumes
but this past year the exact same posting drew almost 2000 resumes!!
HOW do you expect to stand out in that crowd??
Face it guys. These companies no longer are interested in training us
or throw lot's of money our way. We are just one more piece of paper
in a mountain of paper/emails....
How to get a job??
A. KNOW SOMEBODY ON THE INSIDE!
B. Have some UNIQUE, hard to find skill/expertise (Mars Rover
Programming language? )
C. Be LUCKY! Sometimes rat XXX luck will put you in the right place at
the right time....
Even if the economy turns around it is unlikely we will see salaries
as high as they used to be. Until this giant pool of IT bodies gets
hired up or moves on to other work the laws of "Supply & Demand" will
prevail against us....
I know many of you know all this but I state it as this thread seemed
to ask WHY WHY WHY??
Just my .02 cents.
Elvis
PS.
Want to see how bad it is?
Go to http://www.XXXXthatjob.com and view some wonderful
job offers people have the audacity to advertise out there.....
Good to a giggle or two.
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:49:02 GMT, X@Y.COM (Rrrvvv) wrote:
>It use to be like this. I would register for a few temp agencies and I
>use to get calls for work. Now that I am extremely more qualified I
>can't even get the #u#ing recruiters to talk to me. What's up? Every
>time I call the recruiters they just blow me off. I am a MCSE, CCNA,
>and CNA with some UNIX thrown in. When I call all these guys avoid me
>like the plague. I just CAN'T understand WHY I became the most hated
>consultant in the universe. All I EVER did is work and it is now like
>I have been wiped CLEAN off the system. No one even acknowledges my
>work.  WTF do I have to do to get some work???????????????
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| Doug Scott 2004-02-16, 7:25 pm |
| Elvis,
> 1. Demand outrageous amounts of certs/experience/degrees.
I saw an ad a couple of days ago asking for five years' .NET experience
:-)
---
Doug
dwscott@ieee.org
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| Elvis A. Presley 2004-02-17, 4:26 am |
| *Here are some choice examples of REAL job postings!!!
WOW!! After almost 3 years you can make $15 per hour!! Of course, that
is ONLY if you work out...........
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DESIGNER POSITION AVAILABLE
This part-time to full position is for a web
(Photoshop, Flash, Dreamweaver, etc.) and print
(Photoshop, Quark, Corel, In-Design, etc.) designer.
Must have very strong organizational and
self-management skills. Experience in any of the
following: Macromedia Director, Interactive Video,
Film, Broadcast, CD-ROM a real plus!
Entry-level position - Pay is dependent upon software
experience and work tempo, starting at minimum wage to
$8.50/hour with monthly raises given in increments of
$.25 dependant upon performance up to $15/hour. PLEASE,
DO NOT APPLY IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO BEGIN AT
$8.50/HOUR.
This is an IN-HOUSE position. Please do not apply
unless you're comfortable commuting to our suburban
Philadelphia (Delaware County) location. Opportunity
for future promotion may include animation, streaming,
webcasting positions.
Please e-mail resume, related samples, and links to:
GraphicPosition@visions
s.com Please no phone calls.
Vision Stream Studios
Digital Video, Web & Interactive Media Production
Clifton Heights, PA 19018
www.visionstreamstudios.com
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*This next job posting requires proficiency in:
10 programming languages (19 if you include specs and protocols)
5 database platforms
8 software packages
I like particularly the part:
"Candidate must meet ALL of the above criteria for consideration."
Yea, None of you damn slackers who only know 9 programming languages
or 4 database platforms need apply!!
As for myself, I barely know English....
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Position: Web Developer
At Ultimate Pros, we have made it our mission to consistently
challenge the ordinary. We're seeking to grow our team with the
addition of an experienced Web Developer who, with superior technical
training and comprehensive knowledge of multiple programming
languages, will be primarily responsible for developing client
solutions from conception to delivery.
Skill set Required:
We are seeking an individual with exceptional programming skills in
Macromedia Flash MX (Action Scripting), Microsoft Visual Studio (C#,
C++ and Visual Basic), PHP, Java, JavaScript, Macromedia Cold Fusion,
Perl, and MivaScript. Experience with the following advanced web
technologies is critical; JSP, EJB, JDBC, SOAP, WAP, SGML, XML,
XSL/XSLT, CSS, DHTML and WML. Database design and normalization for
the web with Microsoft SQL Server, Oracle 9i, MySQL, PostgreSQL and
Borland InterBase is a must. Ths position also requires a minimum of a
BS or BA in a related field or equivalent industry work experience.
HTML, with Macromedia Dreamweaver, Adobe PhotoShop, Erain Swift3D,
Macromedia Flash MX, Adobe Illustrator and Macromedia Freehand is a
must. Candidate must meet ALL of the above criteria for consideration.
Salary commensation is dependent upon experience. Please submit your
resume by e-mail ONLY to jobs@ultimatepros.com. NO CALLS PLEASE
==============================
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DON'T FORGET EVERYBODY!! A HIGH PAYING CAREER IN THE IT FIELD IS
WAITING FOR YOU!!!
Just my .02 cents
Elvis
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:15:22 GMT, Doug Scott <dwscott@ieee.org> wrote:
>Elvis,
>
>
>I saw an ad a couple of days ago asking for five years' .NET experience
>:-)
>
>---
>
>Doug
>
>dwscott@ieee.org
>
>
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| David BlandIII 2004-02-18, 3:26 am |
| I FEEL your pain, o' sidebuned one!
--
David Bland
"Elvis A. Presley" <elvis@graceland.com> wrote in message
news:0lj330lo8vt7fqpbvmhv38nt6
dv0b304vb@4ax.com...
> *Here are some choice examples of REAL job postings!!!
>
> WOW!! After almost 3 years you can make $15 per hour!! Of course, that
> is ONLY if you work out...........
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------
> DESIGNER POSITION AVAILABLE
>
> This part-time to full position is for a web
> (Photoshop, Flash, Dreamweaver, etc.) and print
> (Photoshop, Quark, Corel, In-Design, etc.) designer.
> Must have very strong organizational and
> self-management skills. Experience in any of the
> following: Macromedia Director, Interactive Video,
> Film, Broadcast, CD-ROM a real plus!
>
> Entry-level position - Pay is dependent upon software
> experience and work tempo, starting at minimum wage to
> $8.50/hour with monthly raises given in increments of
> $.25 dependant upon performance up to $15/hour. PLEASE,
> DO NOT APPLY IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO BEGIN AT
> $8.50/HOUR.
>
> This is an IN-HOUSE position. Please do not apply
> unless you're comfortable commuting to our suburban
> Philadelphia (Delaware County) location. Opportunity
> for future promotion may include animation, streaming,
> webcasting positions.
>
> Please e-mail resume, related samples, and links to:
> GraphicPosition@visions
s.com Please no phone calls.
>
> Vision Stream Studios
> Digital Video, Web & Interactive Media Production
> Clifton Heights, PA 19018
> www.visionstreamstudios.com
> ==============================
==============================
==========
> *This next job posting requires proficiency in:
> 10 programming languages (19 if you include specs and protocols)
> 5 database platforms
> 8 software packages
>
> I like particularly the part:
> "Candidate must meet ALL of the above criteria for consideration."
>
> Yea, None of you damn slackers who only know 9 programming languages
> or 4 database platforms need apply!!
>
> As for myself, I barely know English....
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Position: Web Developer
>
> At Ultimate Pros, we have made it our mission to consistently
> challenge the ordinary. We're seeking to grow our team with the
> addition of an experienced Web Developer who, with superior technical
> training and comprehensive knowledge of multiple programming
> languages, will be primarily responsible for developing client
> solutions from conception to delivery.
>
> Skill set Required:
> We are seeking an individual with exceptional programming skills in
> Macromedia Flash MX (Action Scripting), Microsoft Visual Studio (C#,
> C++ and Visual Basic), PHP, Java, JavaScript, Macromedia Cold Fusion,
> Perl, and MivaScript. Experience with the following advanced web
> technologies is critical; JSP, EJB, JDBC, SOAP, WAP, SGML, XML,
> XSL/XSLT, CSS, DHTML and WML. Database design and normalization for
> the web with Microsoft SQL Server, Oracle 9i, MySQL, PostgreSQL and
> Borland InterBase is a must. Ths position also requires a minimum of a
> BS or BA in a related field or equivalent industry work experience.
> HTML, with Macromedia Dreamweaver, Adobe PhotoShop, Erain Swift3D,
> Macromedia Flash MX, Adobe Illustrator and Macromedia Freehand is a
> must. Candidate must meet ALL of the above criteria for consideration.
> Salary commensation is dependent upon experience. Please submit your
> resume by e-mail ONLY to jobs@ultimatepros.com. NO CALLS PLEASE
>
> ==============================
==============================
============
>
> DON'T FORGET EVERYBODY!! A HIGH PAYING CAREER IN THE IT FIELD IS
> WAITING FOR YOU!!!
>
> Just my .02 cents
>
> Elvis
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:15:22 GMT, Doug Scott <dwscott@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
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| Studying Hard 2004-02-18, 5:26 pm |
| Doug Scott <dwscott@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<VA.0000048a.01ff3242@ieee.org>...
> Elvis,
>
>
> I saw an ad a couple of days ago asking for five years' .NET experience
> :-)
>
> ---
>
> Doug
>
> dwscott@ieee.org
I saw one last year that wanted 10 years of management exp in a Win2k environment.
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| Doug Scott 2004-02-18, 6:26 pm |
| Studying,
> I saw one last year that wanted 10 years of management exp in a Win2k environment.
ROFL! Did you apply? After all, they wouldn't know.
---
Doug
dwscott@ieee.org
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| Doug Scott 2004-02-19, 4:27 pm |
| Elvis,
> WOW!! After almost 3 years you can make $15 per hour!!
Uh, I'll send a CV of course. Could they pay the postage, perhaps? I'm
only getting $8.35/hour, and can't afford it.
---
Doug (whose last assignment paid $100/hour)
dwscott@ieee.org
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| Wouldn't you have to be on the Microsoft Development team in order to obtain
that? I wouldn't even want to work for a company that posts that. Facts are
they are very stupid and you would drive yourself crazy working for such
incompetence.
Whats the email of that company? I think it would be funny to let them know
that the language hasn't even been around for that long! ha!
"Doug Scott" <dwscott@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:VA.0000048a.01ff3242@ieee.org...
> Elvis,
>
>
> I saw an ad a couple of days ago asking for five years' .NET experience
> :-)
>
> ---
>
> Doug
>
> dwscott@ieee.org
>
>
>
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