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Calling Everyone Who has a MCSE!!!
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| Louis Patterson 2004-01-14, 6:25 pm |
| I new to this newsgroup but I need a little help. I have been searching for
any IT jobs in the Birmingham, Alabama area so that I could get experience
so that I may take the test. But I can not get hired with no professional
experience or an MCSE, which would kind of defeat the whole point of trying
to get the job. The only experience I have now is from fixing personal
computers of friends and family, but nothing at a professional company. I
have heard that the test is extremely hard. What is the best way to prepare
for this? I am currently taking classes on Windows 2000. Does Microsoft have
or sell any kind of practice tests? What is the price of the real test now?
How long does it take to test?
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| Herb Martin 2004-01-14, 8:25 pm |
| "Louis Patterson" <gotenks9@nospambellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:bkjNb.4213$jL.3299@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> I new to this newsgroup but I need a little help. I have been searching
for
> any IT jobs in the Birmingham, Alabama area so that I could get experience
> so that I may take the test. But I can not get hired with no professional
> experience or an MCSE, which would kind of defeat the whole point of
trying
> to get the job. The only experience I have now is from fixing personal
> computers of friends and family, but nothing at a professional company. I
> have heard that the test is extremely hard. What is the best way to
prepare
> for this? I am currently taking classes on Windows 2000. Does Microsoft
have
> or sell any kind of practice tests? What is the price of the real test
now?
Study and use the product, register, take them; take notes and re-take them
if
necessary. I could spend a lot of time making this case but this
is the best way. It works.
> How long does it take to test?
2-4 hours depending on the subject.
There is NO experience "requirement" (there is an experience "advisory") so
if
you learn the material you can pass.
If you learn the material AND can provide value to a business then you are
worth
hiring.
Value to a business always comes down to: Making more money now and in the
future.
--
Herb Martin
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| jfigueredo 2004-01-14, 8:25 pm |
| Louis,
You should visit www.microsoft.com/mcp there are lots of information on the
certification process, and yes make sure you are able to get hands on
experience with the product.
I hope this helps,
Jose
MCSA, A+
"Louis Patterson" <gotenks9@nospambellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:bkjNb.4213$jL.3299@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> I new to this newsgroup but I need a little help. I have been searching
for
> any IT jobs in the Birmingham, Alabama area so that I could get experience
> so that I may take the test. But I can not get hired with no professional
> experience or an MCSE, which would kind of defeat the whole point of
trying
> to get the job. The only experience I have now is from fixing personal
> computers of friends and family, but nothing at a professional company. I
> have heard that the test is extremely hard. What is the best way to
prepare
> for this? I am currently taking classes on Windows 2000. Does Microsoft
have
> or sell any kind of practice tests? What is the price of the real test
now?
> How long does it take to test?
>
>
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| HouseVod 2004-01-15, 6:25 am |
| Do you specifically want MSCE? Check MS web site as there are others which
may be better suited. Check www.cramsession.com where they have various
certifications listed and how they help towards what job etc.
If you have been repairing machines for some time consider looking into
Comptia certs, in particular the A+ and the Network + certs as this
combination counts towards MCSA (Check www.microsoft.com/mcp website for
details as someone else posted).
A+ is basics of how computers work and consists of two parts, one is the
hardware and one is an overview of the operating systems.
Network + is as the name suggests all about networking standards and how it
all works etc.
Will give you a couple of certs fairly quickly which may help get your foot
in the door for interviews etc especiall for hardware/software support
roles, will also help with some of the MS exams as these will give you some
of the foundations and in some cases an elective.
Most of all, good luck, enjoy the studying then its twice as easy to take it
in, if its hard and not sinking in, take a break and come back when you feel
a little refreshed.
--
House
MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, A+, Network +
Dont e-mail me, I dont exist!
"Louis Patterson" <gotenks9@nospambellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:bkjNb.4213$jL.3299@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> I new to this newsgroup but I need a little help. I have been searching
for
> any IT jobs in the Birmingham, Alabama area so that I could get experience
> so that I may take the test. But I can not get hired with no professional
> experience or an MCSE, which would kind of defeat the whole point of
trying
> to get the job. The only experience I have now is from fixing personal
> computers of friends and family, but nothing at a professional company. I
> have heard that the test is extremely hard. What is the best way to
prepare
> for this? I am currently taking classes on Windows 2000. Does Microsoft
have
> or sell any kind of practice tests? What is the price of the real test
now?
> How long does it take to test?
>
>
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| Rex Tincher 2004-01-15, 1:26 pm |
| On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:47:37 -0600, "Louis Patterson"
<gotenks9@nospambellsouth.net> wrote:
<snip>
>The only experience I have now is from fixing personal
>computers of friends and family, but nothing at a professional company. I
>have heard that the test is extremely hard.
It is if you haven't studied. I've used, installed, and fixed Windows
2000 for two years. Practical experience alone won't prepare you for
the test because it requires knowing how to do things the Microsoft
way, rather than the right way.
>What is the best way to prepare for this?
Follow these 7 steps:
1. Study books.
2. Study braindumps. In 1999 when I took it, there was material on
the IIS test that was in braindumps, but not in the books and not on
anyone's sample tests. Be aware that many of the answers on the
braindumps are wrong. That's why you studied the book first.
3. Use, fix, and play with the software.
4. Take practice tests.
5. Study the material that you flunked on the practice tests.
6. Repeat steps 4 and 5 until you get perfect scores.
7. Take the real tests.
I passed all of the Windows NT MCSE tests the first time that way.
> I am currently taking classes on Windows 2000. Does Microsoft have
>or sell any kind of practice tests?
Buy the Transcender tests. They cost about $700 for the MCSE bundle
and are worth every penny. Their explanations of the corrrect
answers, and why the other answers are wrong, are extremely helpful.
I used them to get my Windows NT MCSE and I just bought the Windows
2000 tests.
http://www.transcender.com/
>What is the price of the real test now?
I believe it is $100 per test. Seven tests per MCSE. You have to pay
again if you flunk a test so the Transcenders will pay for themselves.
>How long does it take to test?
Another poster said 2 to 4 hours per test and I believe that is
correct. The Windows NT MCSE tests that I took in 1999 were 2 hours
each if I recall correctly.
EXAM HINT: When in doubt, the answer that makes Microsoft look good is
the correct answer.
--
"And I can't describe how I felt when I picked up that rifle,
loaded it into my little car, and drove home. It seemed so
incredibly strange: Sarah Brady, of all people, packing heat."
- source: "A Good Fight", Sarah Brady, chapter 21, page 223
of first edition hardback, ISBN 1-58648-105-3
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| =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?= 2004-01-15, 1:26 pm |
| Rex Tincher wrote:
<sniparoo>
> 2. Study braindumps.
<sigh>
> In 1999 when I took it, there was material on
> the IIS test that was in braindumps, but not in the books and not on
> anyone's sample tests.
Either they were not very good books, not very good sample tests, or perhaps
they were questions that DID cover material covered in the books and/or
tests, but made you -think-.
Heavens forbid. If it was not something covered in MOC, and not on the
exam's list of objectives, yet was on the exam, I would think you'd be able
to challenge it, no?
> Be aware that many of the answers on the
> braindumps are wrong.
And quite intentionally. Most are just because people are stupid, but some
are made to mislead on purpose. Posting incorrect brain dump answers are
fun.
> That's why you studied the book first.
That's why you should study the book, period. Your other six points were
quite valid, so why did you have to mess it up by advocating cheating?
--
Fris "It's not cheating if -I- do it" beeŽ MCNGP #13
http://www.mcngp.tk
The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
Certaholics - We're here if you're beyond help
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| Rex Tincher 2004-01-15, 2:26 pm |
| On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:54:27 -0500, FrisbeeŽ MCNGP
<oncebitten@twiceshy.com> wrote:
>Rex Tincher wrote:
<snip>
>
>Either they were not very good books, not very good sample tests, or perhaps
>they were questions that DID cover material covered in the books and/or
>tests, but made you -think-.
The IIS test that I took had several questions on SQL Server error
messages. SQL Server error messages were not mentioned in any IIS
books that I read or sample tests that I took. They were mentioned in
one braindump that I saw.
I survived the IIS exam because I had the other material down cold, I
had seen those SQL Server error messages on the braindump so I had
started thinking about them, and because I had experience developing
databases. Heaven help anyone who didn't know databases and wasn't
expecting those type of questions.
>Heavens forbid. If it was not something covered in MOC, and not on the
>exam's list of objectives, yet was on the exam, I would think you'd be able
>to challenge it, no?
Yeah, right. Microsoft writes the tests and decides what is
appropriate. Maybe a few years later they might admit they were
wrong. In the meantime, I wouldn't have an MCSE.
>
>And quite intentionally. Most are just because people are stupid, but some
>are made to mislead on purpose. Posting incorrect brain dump answers are
>fun.
Braindumps are valuable because of the questions, not the answers. You
should know the answers before you look at the braindumps. The
braindumps are only to verify that the stuff on the test is the same
as the stuff that you are preparing for. I suppose I should have
spelled that out.
Before you take the actual test you should be able to look at any
braindump and decide whether or not the answers are correct. If you
can't then you need to study some more.
>
>That's why you should study the book, period. Your other six points were
>quite valid, so why did you have to mess it up by advocating cheating?
I don't consider using braindumps to be cheating when they are used as
a guide to what to study. On the other hand, trying to pass the exam
by memorizing braindumps is as fruitless as it is dishonest.
--
"It's incredibly positive for the Internet."
AOL president Raymond Oglethorpe, commenting
on the anthrax attacks via mail.
Newsweek magazine, 5 November 2001, page 25.
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| Glarb Shattenstein 2004-01-15, 3:26 pm |
| Start working toward another career. IT is dying in this country.
Outsourcing and work visas have ended our hey day...
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"Glarb Shattenstein" <shattenstein@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hhCNb.17521$873.463378@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> Start working toward another career. IT is dying in this country.
> Outsourcing and work visas have ended our hey day...
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Yep... try becoming a Plumber.. you got a better chance of a future
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| =?Windows-1252?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?= 2004-01-16, 1:27 pm |
| Blaze wrote:
> "Glarb Shattenstein" <shattenstein@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hhCNb.17521$873.463378@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
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> Yep... try becoming a Plumber.. you got a better chance of a future
You could circumcize elephants.
Doesn't pay much.
--
Fris "But you get big tips" beeŽ MCNGP #13
http://www.mcngp.tk
The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
Certaholics - We're here if you're beyond help
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"FrisbeeŽ MCNGP" <oncebitten@twiceshy.com> wrote in message
news:bu96mj$egh5e$1@ID-123564.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Blaze wrote:
<snipped>
> You could circumcize elephants.
>
> Doesn't pay much.
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> --
> Fris "But you get big tips" beeŽ MCNGP #13
>
> http://www.mcngp.tk
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
> Certaholics - We're here if you're beyond help
>
Sounds like a real good chance to get a head.
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| 127.0.0.1 2004-01-17, 11:26 am |
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"Louis Patterson" <gotenks9@nospambellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:bkjNb.4213$jL.3299@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> I new to this newsgroup but I need a little help. I have been searching
for
> any IT jobs in the Birmingham, Alabama area so that I could get experience
> so that I may take the test. But I can not get hired with no professional
> experience or an MCSE, which would kind of defeat the whole point of
trying
> to get the job. The only experience I have now is from fixing personal
> computers of friends and family, but nothing at a professional company. I
> have heard that the test is extremely hard. What is the best way to
prepare
> for this? I am currently taking classes on Windows 2000. Does Microsoft
have
> or sell any kind of practice tests? What is the price of the real test
now?
> How long does it take to test?
read on...
save your money and search other fields.
your best bet is a steady job without any unexcused missing days.
if you plan to bypass a college education and still want to go into IT, you
will need to start at the very bottom, computer operations. this is an entry
level position. it deals with monitoring the system and doing routine
catridge backups. (very boring to some). but it also leaves plenty of time
to study.
unfortunately, these positions aren't advertised. go thru a temp service to
find these positions. or work as a mail clerk to large companies (insurance
companies or ones running AS400's). these positions usually gets posted
internally first.
another good source are the utility companies.
good luck..
-a|ex
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| ADRENALINE 2004-01-26, 11:28 am |
| "Louis Patterson" <gotenks9@nospambellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<bkjNb.4213$jL.3299@bignews4.bellsouth.net>...
> I new to this newsgroup but I need a little help. I have been searching for
> any IT jobs in the Birmingham, Alabama area so that I could get experience
> so that I may take the test. But I can not get hired with no professional
> experience or an MCSE, which would kind of defeat the whole point of trying
> to get the job. The only experience I have now is from fixing personal
> computers of friends and family, but nothing at a professional company. I
> have heard that the test is extremely hard. What is the best way to prepare
> for this? I am currently taking classes on Windows 2000. Does Microsoft have
> or sell any kind of practice tests? What is the price of the real test now?
> How long does it take to test?
Go and get it, its the best way of getting something university degree
alike in only 1 year. do it.
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