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| I'm being offered a free Windows 2000 MCSE class at work consisting of two 4
hour evenings a week for 18 weeks. Cost is $6000 fully paid.
Some have told me that this curriculum is really challenging and that I'll
be doing 20 hours on my own for every week of class and that the tests are
incredibly hard.
First question is, do you feel that an 18 week class will have this homework
load, and be too fast paced?
Second, do you know how long the Windows 2000 tests will be offered until?
Third, I plan on reviewing and taking all the tests *after* completing the
entire 18 week course - is this not a wise thing to do?
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| David Iverson 2003-10-21, 4:27 pm |
| It's free, isn't it? So what do you have to lose?
"Billy" <nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm being offered a free Windows 2000 MCSE class at work consisting of two
4
> hour evenings a week for 18 weeks. Cost is $6000 fully paid.
>
> Some have told me that this curriculum is really challenging and that I'll
> be doing 20 hours on my own for every week of class and that the tests are
> incredibly hard.
>
> First question is, do you feel that an 18 week class will have this
homework
> load, and be too fast paced?
>
> Second, do you know how long the Windows 2000 tests will be offered until?
>
> Third, I plan on reviewing and taking all the tests *after* completing the
> entire 18 week course - is this not a wise thing to do?
>
>
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| brianz 2003-10-21, 6:26 pm |
| I achieved my MCSE by a mixture of self study and 19 days in the classroom.
Your situation is about the same amount of classroom time.
You will probably be expected to do considerable reading at home, but i
don't think it will total 20 hours.
We spent consecutive days studying a perticular module, then once that was
finished i was encouraged to take the exam for it, whilst it was fresh in my
mind. If that is how you will be instructed then i would strongly recommend
it as well.
It worked with me, but i've been using windows 2000 for about a year prior
to starting the course so i was fairly ok with everything anyway.
Good luck whatever you decide.
Brian
MCSA:Security (Windows 2000)
MCSE:Security (Windows 2000)
"Billy" <nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm being offered a free Windows 2000 MCSE class at work consisting of two
4
> hour evenings a week for 18 weeks. Cost is $6000 fully paid.
>
> Some have told me that this curriculum is really challenging and that I'll
> be doing 20 hours on my own for every week of class and that the tests are
> incredibly hard.
>
> First question is, do you feel that an 18 week class will have this
homework
> load, and be too fast paced?
>
> Second, do you know how long the Windows 2000 tests will be offered until?
>
> Third, I plan on reviewing and taking all the tests *after* completing the
> entire 18 week course - is this not a wise thing to do?
>
>
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| aardvark_ratnick 2003-10-21, 7:25 pm |
| Sounds a lot like what I did. A community college course 4 weeks on each of
the following subjects:
2000 Pro
2000 Server
net infractructure
active directory
design security
Exchange
ISA
@ 1350 per month CDN, completely paid for
the home work was a big load, but worth it in the long run. We also did a
number of significant labs, building domains, forests, trees, etc. The last
lab for example consisted of 2 d/c's, Exchange server, IIs (web server, SMTP
filter), ISA array, and several client machines.
The work load was significant, especially if you have any life at home. I
set up my laptop with a dual boot to XP and advanced server 2000 with
Exchange and ISA installed, and am due to begin the exams in the next few
weeks, also completely paid for. I'm hoping to write the first 5 before the
end of the year. Meanwhile I'll also have to begin looking for work since
the EI benefits will be runing out soon. Should be an interesting month or
so.
Good luck with your track.
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| Time!
"David Iverson" <diverson@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> It's free, isn't it? So what do you have to lose?
> "Billy" <nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:_u-dnfVAsfV-HAiiRVn-hA@comcast.com...
> > I'm being offered a free Windows 2000 MCSE class at work consisting of
two
> 4
> > hour evenings a week for 18 weeks. Cost is $6000 fully paid.
> >
> > Some have told me that this curriculum is really challenging and that
I'll
> > be doing 20 hours on my own for every week of class and that the tests
are
> > incredibly hard.
> >
> > First question is, do you feel that an 18 week class will have this
> homework
> > load, and be too fast paced?
> >
> > Second, do you know how long the Windows 2000 tests will be offered
until?
> >
> > Third, I plan on reviewing and taking all the tests *after* completing
the
> > entire 18 week course - is this not a wise thing to do?
> >
> >
>
>
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| Randall 2003-10-21, 9:26 pm |
| > I'm being offered a free Windows 2000 MCSE class at work consisting of two 4
> hour evenings a week for 18 weeks. Cost is $6000 fully paid.
You would be a fool not to take free training
> Some have told me that this curriculum is really challenging and that I'll
> be doing 20 hours on my own for every week of class and that the tests are
> incredibly hard.
If it was EZ you would make as much money as a burger flipper
> First question is, do you feel that an 18 week class will have this homework
> load, and be too fast paced?
If this just covers core 18 weeks is a good pace
> Second, do you know how long the Windows 2000 tests will be offered until?
Most likely 2 more years
> Third, I plan on reviewing and taking all the tests *after* completing the
> entire 18 week course - is this not a wise thing to do?
Personal choice. I would take the course and not take any 2000 test.
Then self study for 2003. This way you can show you have been trained
in 2000, and you can prove you know 2003 with your certs.
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| krickey 2003-10-28, 11:28 am |
| > > Some have told me that this curriculum is really challenging and that
I'll
> > be doing 20 hours on my own for every week of class and that the tests
are
> > incredibly hard.
>
> If it was EZ you would make as much money as a burger flipper
Currently you do. What I can not understand is the seemingly bad career
advice people must be getting. There are few if any jobs out there for IT
now. The market is flooded and still people are going to school for IT and
spending money on tests and certifications thinking that they will somehow
be different then all the people with years of experience that are out of
work and land a great, high paying job. I run an IT department for a
staffing company and we have two things here. 1) MCSE's, CCNP's etc. All
out unloading trucks and driving forklifts for 8.50 - 12 dollars per hour.
2) People applying here for IT positions willing to work for free for 6
months to a year just to get some experince.
Do these people not do any research before they study this in school?
It would seem so.
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| Katowski 2003-12-15, 1:25 pm |
| >
> Currently you do. What I can not understand is the seemingly bad career
> advice people must be getting. There are few if any jobs out there for IT
> now. The market is flooded and still people are going to school for IT and
> spending money on tests and certifications thinking that they will somehow
> be different then all the people with years of experience that are out of
> work and land a great, high paying job. I run an IT department for a
> staffing company and we have two things here. 1) MCSE's, CCNP's etc. All
> out unloading trucks and driving forklifts for 8.50 - 12 dollars per hour.
> 2) People applying here for IT positions willing to work for free for 6
> months to a year just to get some experince.
>
> Do these people not do any research before they study this in school?
> It would seem so.
>
>
Yeah, people are stupid, they try to get an education in the field they
want to work in and stuff. :-)
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| HouseVod 2003-12-15, 1:25 pm |
| We exist in a society where a man lying in the isle of the supermarket,
dying from a heart attack, has other people reaching over him for a tin of
beans as paramedics are trying to treat him, trust me I was there. So in
this cold simple world who are you going to employ of these 3?
1. Spotty 16 year old with no qualifications and no experience
2. A 30 year old who 'claims' to have 14 years experience of a wide area of
IT aspects.
OR
3. A 30 year old who 'claims' to have 14 years experience of a wide area of
IT and is an MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, CCNA, CCNP, Security + etc etc cos he got of
his arse to prove it.
So do you want the job done after 3 days reading a book about it, done if
the guys telling the truth or done by the guy that proved his worth and
fixed it before you even knew it was an issue, or more importantly before
the user called you and asked why cant I get to my documents.
Unfortunately some choose the first as its cheap, these are the ones that
have pretty graphs showing how many less complaints they have had this
month, the ones that have business critical servers required 24/7 hire
accrodingly.
House.
(I havent seen the entire thread but the below post about why bother, lit my
fuse )
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> Yeah, people are stupid, they try to get an education in the field they
> want to work in and stuff. :-)
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| Mr. Robyn Myers 2003-12-16, 3:26 am |
| The market is tough right now, but if people stop training then we will be
real short in a few years. How can we stop the 'boom or bust' in this
business? I have been in IT over 30 years and I can see it coming ...
If you love IT then come on in .. if you just want to make money, then stay
out.
Robyn
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> Yeah, people are stupid, they try to get an education in the field they
> want to work in and stuff. :-)
>
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| "Mr. Robyn Myers" <ramyers(notspammy)@starband.net> wrote in message
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> The market is tough right now, but if people stop training then we will be
> real short in a few years. How can we stop the 'boom or bust' in this
> business? I have been in IT over 30 years and I can see it coming ...
>
> If you love IT then come on in .. if you just want to make money, then
stay
> out.
Exactly. Being an IT worker is akin to being a civil servant. You do it
for the love of the job, and not the love of money. Those days are over
forever. The only problem with this is the fact that getting a civil
servant job is easier right now than getting an IT job. The IT market isn't
good at all.
The training is too expensive now for what one will get in return. Costs
were easily and quickly recouped up until three years ago. Now, given the
low pay for IT jobs, training represents a real barrier to entry in the
field. The newcomers into the field will need college degrees. Certs won't
be enough anymore.
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| The Hairy Mill Man 2004-01-11, 9:25 pm |
| u be talking bout ur area n country in general there i guess. over here in
glasgow scotland IT is ranging with the best paid jobs available with the
right IT qualifications. also a skills shortage with jobs unable to be
filled. fair enough if ur applying ur opinion to ur area/country but it does
not apply to scotland what-so-ever. open ur eyes get ur head out the sand n
look around old man.
;-)
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>
> Exactly. Being an IT worker is akin to being a civil servant. You do it
> for the love of the job, and not the love of money. Those days are over
> forever. The only problem with this is the fact that getting a civil
> servant job is easier right now than getting an IT job. The IT market
isn't
> good at all.
>
> The training is too expensive now for what one will get in return. Costs
> were easily and quickly recouped up until three years ago. Now, given the
> low pay for IT jobs, training represents a real barrier to entry in the
> field. The newcomers into the field will need college degrees. Certs
won't
> be enough anymore.
>
>
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