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| Well.....
After 6 months of doing nothing but Microsoft, I passed my final exam for
MCSE.
Regardless of the current employment opportunities (or lack there of), I
went from knowing nothing to getting my A+, N+, CCNA then getting my MCP,
MCSA and finally my MCSE all doing it through self study and building my own
lab. I am going to write one more exam (229) for my MCDBA. I expect to have
this completed within 2 weeks.
If I can do this, any of you can!
rj
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| Wilson 2003-08-19, 6:26 pm |
| RJ,
It would be interesting for alt.certification.mcse and
alt.computer.consultants if you could make a daily entry of your search for
a job. The number of ads you found, where you looked, how many resumes you
emailed. For interviews, the kinds of questions, technical tests,
etc.Hopefully it will be a happy ending and you will land a good position. I
and others are pretty much out of the IT job market and I feel things will
only get worse. Prove us wrong.
"rj" <a1@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:yIu0b.12$c_.7729@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Well.....
> After 6 months of doing nothing but Microsoft, I passed my final exam for
> MCSE.
>
> Regardless of the current employment opportunities (or lack there of), I
> went from knowing nothing to getting my A+, N+, CCNA then getting my MCP,
> MCSA and finally my MCSE all doing it through self study and building my
own
> lab. I am going to write one more exam (229) for my MCDBA. I expect to
have
> this completed within 2 weeks.
>
> If I can do this, any of you can!
>
> rj
>
>
>
>
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| Jesse Meyer 2003-08-19, 8:25 pm |
| rj <a1@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Well.....
> After 6 months of doing nothing but Microsoft, I passed my final exam for
> MCSE.
>
> Regardless of the current employment opportunities (or lack there of), I
> went from knowing nothing to getting my A+, N+, CCNA then getting my MCP,
> MCSA and finally my MCSE all doing it through self study and building my own
> lab. I am going to write one more exam (229) for my MCDBA. I expect to have
> this completed within 2 weeks.
How is the employment situation looking for you?
~ Jesse Meyer
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"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we
pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegut Jr : Mother Night
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| "rj" <a1@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Well.....
> After 6 months of doing nothing but Microsoft, I passed my final exam for
> MCSE.
Wasted effort, my friend. Now that you kind of know about Microsoft
networking, you are going to learn the hard way about what your efforts are
worth.
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| John Smith 2003-08-19, 9:26 pm |
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"Bob" <bob@bobber.com> wrote in message
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> "rj" <a1@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:yIu0b.12$c_.7729@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > Well.....
> > After 6 months of doing nothing but Microsoft, I passed my final exam
for
> > MCSE.
>
> Wasted effort, my friend. Now that you kind of know about Microsoft
> networking, you are going to learn the hard way about what your efforts
are
> worth.
I would also add that spending 6 months to pass an exam doesn't show much
aptitude for the subject. This isn't rocket science, but fairly simple IT
concepts.
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| Googol_Plex 2003-08-20, 12:26 am |
| RJ is NOT saying he took 6 months to pass ONE exam. Read carefully his
exact words below. He says he spent 6 months doing nothing but MICROSOFT.
He also mentioned that he had done MCSA and MCSE. I think he is saying that
he took 6 months to do his Microsoft certifications.
Lastly, didn't it occur to you that someone who managed to do A+, N+, CCNA,
MCSE, etc via SELF-STUDY, would most likely NOT take 6 months for a single
exam, and may in fact have aptitude for the subject?
"John Smith" <jsmith4dfgij44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > "rj" <a1@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> > > After 6 months of doing nothing but Microsoft, I passed my final exam
>>> for MCSE.[/color]
> I would also add that spending 6 months to pass an exam doesn't show much
> aptitude for the subject. This isn't rocket science, but fairly simple IT
> concepts.
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| Crash Street Kidd 2003-08-20, 2:26 am |
| In article <zJw0b.500$7F2.399@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>, Wilson says...
>
>RJ,
> It would be interesting for alt.certification.mcse and
>alt.computer.consultants if you could make a daily entry of your search for
>a job. The number of ads you found, where you looked, how many resumes you
>emailed. For interviews, the kinds of questions, technical tests,
>etc.Hopefully it will be a happy ending and you will land a good position. I
>and others are pretty much out of the IT job market and I feel things will
>only get worse. Prove us wrong.
>
>
>
>
>
>"rj" <a1@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:yIu0b.12$c_.7729@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> Well.....
>> After 6 months of doing nothing but Microsoft, I passed my final exam for
>> MCSE.
>>
>> Regardless of the current employment opportunities (or lack there of), I
>> went from knowing nothing to getting my A+, N+, CCNA then getting my MCP,
>> MCSA and finally my MCSE all doing it through self study and building my
>own
>> lab. I am going to write one more exam (229) for my MCDBA. I expect to
>have
>> this completed within 2 weeks.
>>
>> If I can do this, any of you can!
The question is whether there is any compelling reason
that anyone would want to. I have two free test vouchers
and I have yet to crack a book to study in the month or
two since I received them.
Crash Street Kidd
>>
>> rj
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| pheonix1t 2003-08-20, 2:26 am |
| Googol_Plex wrote:
> RJ is NOT saying he took 6 months to pass ONE exam. Read carefully his
> exact words below. He says he spent 6 months doing nothing but MICROSOFT.
> He also mentioned that he had done MCSA and MCSE. I think he is saying that
> he took 6 months to do his Microsoft certifications.
>
> Lastly, didn't it occur to you that someone who managed to do A+, N+, CCNA,
> MCSE, etc via SELF-STUDY, would most likely NOT take 6 months for a single
> exam, and may in fact have aptitude for the subject?
he's a big fan...that's fine, nothing wrong with that.
Now...trying to get a job with just certs, no experience and no college
education (at least that has been made known to us).....yea, Good Luck
getting a GOOD job!
This person may have a better shot at hooking up with Emilia Earhardt!
Get ready to be a waiter or work at McDonalds for more money than what
entry level help desk people make.
>
> "John Smith" <jsmith4dfgij44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>>>"rj" <a1@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
>
>>>>After 6 months of doing nothing but Microsoft, I passed my final exam
>>>>for MCSE.
>
>
>>I would also add that spending 6 months to pass an exam doesn't show much
>>aptitude for the subject. This isn't rocket science, but fairly simple IT
>>concepts.
>
>
>
>
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| Fruity888 2003-08-20, 4:26 am |
| Well, I have a BS degree as well as MCSE and CCNA, along with 1 year of
experience as a network engineer(before I got laid off), and still
unemployed now.
Most companies now just look for experienced people (5 years or more).
I believe this newsgroup is to discuss the MCSE exams and helping people who
are interested to take the exams. You can always discuss what you think,
however this newsgroup shouldn't be a place to attack other people. RJ might
have taken that as a kind of accomplishment. I don't think it's good to
make other people feel bad anyway.
"pheonix1t" <pheonix1t898oi@iliiearthilink.eionet> wrote in message
news 3E0b.34$7q5.2@newsread5.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Googol_Plex wrote:
>
> > RJ is NOT saying he took 6 months to pass ONE exam. Read carefully his
> > exact words below. He says he spent 6 months doing nothing but
MICROSOFT.
> > He also mentioned that he had done MCSA and MCSE. I think he is saying
that
> > he took 6 months to do his Microsoft certifications.
> >
> > Lastly, didn't it occur to you that someone who managed to do A+, N+,
CCNA,
> > MCSE, etc via SELF-STUDY, would most likely NOT take 6 months for a
single
> > exam, and may in fact have aptitude for the subject?
>
> he's a big fan...that's fine, nothing wrong with that.
> Now...trying to get a job with just certs, no experience and no college
> education (at least that has been made known to us).....yea, Good Luck
> getting a GOOD job!
>
> This person may have a better shot at hooking up with Emilia Earhardt!
>
>
> Get ready to be a waiter or work at McDonalds for more money than what
> entry level help desk people make.
>
>
> >
> > "John Smith" <jsmith4dfgij44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> >>>"rj" <a1@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >
> >
> >>>>After 6 months of doing nothing but Microsoft, I passed my final exam
> >>>>for MCSE.
> >
> >
> >>I would also add that spending 6 months to pass an exam doesn't show
much[
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> >>aptitude for the subject. This isn't rocket science, but fairly simple[/color]
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> >>concepts.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>[/color]
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| John Smith 2003-08-20, 7:26 am |
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"Googol_Plex" <AntiSpam@NoName.Nothing> wrote in message
news:bhus4b$eul$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> RJ is NOT saying he took 6 months to pass ONE exam. Read carefully his
> exact words below. He says he spent 6 months doing nothing but MICROSOFT.
> He also mentioned that he had done MCSA and MCSE. I think he is saying
that
> he took 6 months to do his Microsoft certifications.
>
> Lastly, didn't it occur to you that someone who managed to do A+, N+,
CCNA,
> MCSE, etc via SELF-STUDY, would most likely NOT take 6 months for a single
> exam, and may in fact have aptitude for the subject?
Not really.
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| Sorry to create such a stir of negativity.
Everyday, I saw notes from different people with different background and
different levels of education who are down and out in life and down and out
with their studies.
All I was trying to say, is that with no technical background, I was able to
write all of my Microsoft exams to get my MCSE in 6 months. Thus, hang in
there and stick with it.
About the jobs or lack there of....
This for me was a personal achieving that I can be proud of. Something that
I went from scratch and built up.
I was in management and got the boot in massive layoffs. I applied for and
after 3 interviews almost got a position as a dir of IT......... BUT....I
didn't get it as I was not an MCSE.
Several times the same scenario happened. Well.....now, if it happens again,
I am ready and I will push forward.
As for income. I do my own thing. I support personal computers, networks of
local companies, computers of small/medium companies etc. as a consultant. I
now farm out some work to other people I met in networking meetings that
were trying to do the same thing....survive. The work is getting more and
more and we have been getting bigger and bigger.
If negativity is your thing...then that's your right. How you go through
your life is your right.
However, Opportunities don't happen on their own. You create the
opportunity, you seize the opportunity, you GET the job....they never GIVE
it to you.
So, once again I say....If I can do it.....anyone can. If you are not
prepared....how will you get the job when the market finally opens back up?
Regards.
RJ
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| "rj" <a22196105@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> All I was trying to say, is that with no technical background, I was able
to
> write all of my Microsoft exams to get my MCSE in 6 months. Thus, hang in
> there and stick with it.
Which is EXACTLY why the MCSE is a completely worthless document in the
first place -- forget about work visas and offshoring. The certification
has been cheapened terribly over the years, and Microsoft is obviously
familiar with the teachings of P.T. Barnum, as they keep marching forward
with this sham. The fact that the "E" in MCSE stands for "Engineer" is
perhaps the biggest joke of all.
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| Wilson 2003-08-20, 11:28 am |
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"Bob" <bob@bobber.com> wrote in message
news DL0b.64359$On2.3180924@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> "rj" <a22196105@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:HdL0b.4956$HB4.853618@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > All I was trying to say, is that with no technical background, I was
able
> to
> > write all of my Microsoft exams to get my MCSE in 6 months. Thus, hang
in
> > there and stick with it.
>
> Which is EXACTLY why the MCSE is a completely worthless document in the
> first place -- forget about work visas and offshoring. The certification
> has been cheapened terribly over the years, and Microsoft is obviously
> familiar with the teachings of P.T. Barnum, as they keep marching forward
> with this sham. The fact that the "E" in MCSE stands for "Engineer" is
> perhaps the biggest joke of all.
Except for one or two states that do not allow the word 'Engineer' to be
used in a job title unless you are a graduate of a four year degree program
or higher or you drive a too-too train. I forgot the details but it happend
with the CNE program a number of years ago.
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| 127.0.0.1 2003-08-20, 11:28 am |
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"Fruity888" <dragonfruit888REMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well, I have a BS degree as well as MCSE and CCNA, along with 1 year of
> experience as a network engineer(before I got laid off), and still
> unemployed now.
> Most companies now just look for experienced people (5 years or more).
> I believe this newsgroup is to discuss the MCSE exams and helping people
who
> are interested to take the exams. You can always discuss what you think,
> however this newsgroup shouldn't be a place to attack other people. RJ
might
> have taken that as a kind of accomplishment. I don't think it's good to
> make other people feel bad anyway.
>
thats the reality of it..
experience is the key for the time being.
there are people i know in management that were given the option of getting
their MCSE or getting laid off.
thats management, not the techies (the techies were the first to get
canned).
i didn't survive the 3rd wave of layoffs. the first wave offered early
retirement. the second wave where techies with less than a year with the
company. the 3rd wave was 2 years with the company. now the company is
rehiring again, but looking for 10 years experience in management.
what i'm trying to say is, what's the point of getting your MCSE without
work experience if there are no jobs available for at least a few more
years?
there are still jobs available, but they are looking for the best for less.
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| Jeeters 2003-08-20, 12:29 pm |
| > >> Regardless of the current employment opportunities (or lack there of),
I[col
or=darkred]
> >> went from knowing nothing to getting my A+, N+, CCNA then getting my[/color]
MCP,[
color=darkred]
> >> MCSA and finally my MCSE all doing it through self study and building[/color]
my
> >own
> >> lab. I am going to write one more exam (229) for my MCDBA. I expect to
> >have
> >> this completed within 2 weeks.
> >>
> >> If I can do this, any of you can!
>
> The question is whether there is any compelling reason
> that anyone would want to. I have two free test vouchers
> and I have yet to crack a book to study in the month or
> two since I received them.
It could be argued, that with so few jobs now, and with the severe
competition for those jobs, that you having MS certification may give you an
edge over the candidates that don't have MS certification.
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| 127.0.0.1 2003-08-20, 12:29 pm |
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"rj" <a22196105@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:HdL0b.4956$HB4.853618@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Sorry to create such a stir of negativity.
>
> Everyday, I saw notes from different people with different background and
> different levels of education who are down and out in life and down and
out
> with their studies.
> All I was trying to say, is that with no technical background, I was able
to
> write all of my Microsoft exams to get my MCSE in 6 months. Thus, hang in
> there and stick with it.
good advice if one can afford to. i wouldn't recommend that to a burger
flipper.
> About the jobs or lack there of....
this is the main point. no jobs for no experience. so don't bother getting
MCSE.
> This for me was a personal achieving that I can be proud of. Something
that
> I went from scratch and built up.
i usually keep personal achievements private. bragging about it makes it
more like i'm better than thou.
> I was in management and got the boot in massive layoffs. I applied for and
> after 3 interviews almost got a position as a dir of IT......... BUT....I
> didn't get it as I was not an MCSE.
>
> Several times the same scenario happened. Well.....now, if it happens
again,
> I am ready and I will push forward.
>
> As for income. I do my own thing. I support personal computers, networks
of
> local companies, computers of small/medium companies etc. as a consultant.
I
> now farm out some work to other people I met in networking meetings that
> were trying to do the same thing....survive. The work is getting more and
> more and we have been getting bigger and bigger.
i'm glad to hear you are in an area where your skills are in demand.
> If negativity is your thing...then that's your right. How you go through
> your life is your right.
it's about how one handles negativity that differentiates individuals. you
handled yours just fine. i have seen others that XXXXX and moan about not
succeeding because of their poverty. can't blame them for growing up poor
and not able to self study for the MCSE.
> However, Opportunities don't happen on their own. You create the
> opportunity, you seize the opportunity, you GET the job....they never GIVE
> it to you.
that is true, but it also depends on the individuals personality. kinda hard
to see an introvert go out selling themselves door to door.
> So, once again I say....If I can do it.....anyone can. If you are not
> prepared....how will you get the job when the market finally opens back
up?
>
> Regards.
> RJ
not everyone has the motivation that you have to successfully pass the MCSE
on their own. my older bro graduated with 2 degrees then went on to graduate
law school. i couldn't do it, neither could my neighbors. my mom started
practicing medicine when she was 22. not too many people could do that
either.
i took the time to take the MCSE courses at my community college after being
laid off. but even with the certs and limited work experience, i still find
it difficult to get a real IT job. it's even harder when you have 4 kids.
although the negativity is unavoidable, i still manage to work part-time as
a consultant and designing very small business networks. i plan on changing
career paths and hopefully start my own business. i have a BS in graphic
design but was hired as a cable puller (i couldn't pass up $15/hour union vs
$8/hour as a entry level designer), became a network technician and then
promoted to network engineer without any certs. the company provided free
training. opportunities do happen on their own. one just needs to take
advantage of them.
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| peter_walters@juno.com 2003-08-21, 4:32 pm |
| RJ,
I have passed several of the certification tests you have, have a BA
from a good university, and have over two years corporate experience
in VBA development. I also have over six years end user experience
with MSFT operating systems and applications.
If you have the time, please do what Wilson suggested and write your
daily or weekly resume and job-hunting chronology to this group.
Myself and a lot of others would like to hear about it.
I'm not sure if others in the IT/IS field have told you this, but I
think that you are in for the shock of your life in months and years
to come. With that said my friend, I wish you the best. I would ask
you to forward your resume to me but to the best of my knowledge there
are no IT/IS positions available within the office.
Peter
"rj" <a1@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<yIu0b.12$c_.7729@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> Well.....
> After 6 months of doing nothing but Microsoft, I passed my final exam for
> MCSE.
>
> Regardless of the current employment opportunities (or lack there of), I
> went from knowing nothing to getting my A+, N+, CCNA then getting my MCP,
> MCSA and finally my MCSE all doing it through self study and building my own
> lab. I am going to write one more exam (229) for my MCDBA. I expect to have
> this completed within 2 weeks.
>
> If I can do this, any of you can!
>
> rj
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