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| Keiran Haley 2003-07-31, 7:25 am |
| I am currently training at a Microsoft Academy, the first of it's kind in
South East England. I have read with frustration the posts regarding the
worthlessness of the MCSE accreditation. I am using this course to get a
foot in the door of the IT industry, I neither expect it to get me a
top-dollar job or a top-shelf one at that. I do intend to follow up this
course with maybe a Cisco networking cert and/or a Novell cert. Frankly, I
have had a love of computing since a very early age and my first ZX
spectrum, and now I'm sick of the building trade and need a change of
direction.
Surely these certifications provide a sound knowledge base from which to
START? All of the naysayers comments seem to revolve around one thing,
experience. Well I seem to remember after having passed my driving test it
took me a little while to get used to driving on my own, with no instructor
to point out or correct my mistakes. That my friends, is the way it is.
Unfortunately no, experience cannot be bought, and no matter how many certs
you have they will never be a substitute for knowledge gained from years in
the field.... BUT, everyone has to start somewhere.
Spare a thought for the people just starting out, regardless of what you may
think of the MCSE, we have still paid for the course as that is where our
interest lies. We are still studying hard to achieve the recognition, and
then we have to spend the first four years or so of our employment proving
ourselves still!
There may be a slump in the IT industry of late, but we all know that after
slumps there is generally a boom and when there is, there will be more than
enough work to go around. Less of the bickering ladies and gentlemen please.
| |
| Brian Warren \(Home\) 2003-07-31, 9:26 am |
| Keiran
Whilst what you say is indeed try, the trouble is there are too many people
applying for so few jobs.
I'm based in Norfolk, a couple of weeks ago we advertised for a mid range
role, and received 55 applicants.
To short this down quickly we looked at previous / current experience. This
got rid of 15 or so.
Then you compare experience with qualifications.
If we were looking for an entry level then experience wouldn't be an issue,
but would you really want to work for 12k if you were an MCSE?
Brian
"Keiran Haley" <khaley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ti6Wa.6599$1n6.1915@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> I am currently training at a Microsoft Academy, the first of it's kind in
> South East England. I have read with frustration the posts regarding the
> worthlessness of the MCSE accreditation. I am using this course to get a
> foot in the door of the IT industry, I neither expect it to get me a
> top-dollar job or a top-shelf one at that. I do intend to follow up this
> course with maybe a Cisco networking cert and/or a Novell cert. Frankly, I
> have had a love of computing since a very early age and my first ZX
> spectrum, and now I'm sick of the building trade and need a change of
> direction.
>
> Surely these certifications provide a sound knowledge base from which to
> START? All of the naysayers comments seem to revolve around one thing,
> experience. Well I seem to remember after having passed my driving test it
> took me a little while to get used to driving on my own, with no
instructor
> to point out or correct my mistakes. That my friends, is the way it is.
> Unfortunately no, experience cannot be bought, and no matter how many
certs
> you have they will never be a substitute for knowledge gained from years
in
> the field.... BUT, everyone has to start somewhere.
>
> Spare a thought for the people just starting out, regardless of what you
may
> think of the MCSE, we have still paid for the course as that is where our
> interest lies. We are still studying hard to achieve the recognition, and
> then we have to spend the first four years or so of our employment proving
> ourselves still!
>
> There may be a slump in the IT industry of late, but we all know that
after
> slumps there is generally a boom and when there is, there will be more
than
> enough work to go around. Less of the bickering ladies and gentlemen
please.
>
>
| |
| Keiran Haley 2003-07-31, 10:27 am |
| Brian
I'm afraid that this is the state of the IT jobs market and will be for some
time, let's hope things improve by the time I finish next March. I won't
hold my breath. Of course no-one wants to work for 12k, but like you say,
experience counts for so much more. I would be quite willing to go for the
low-end pay scale and sacrifice a year or two gaining that invaluable
experience. I have to look at it that way and hope my strategy pays off,
otherwise what I'm doing now is a complete waste of time and energy. I'm
planning a life-long career in this area, how nice to get paid to do
something you love, rather than working on cold wet miserable building
sites.
With so much control being shifted to India, and administrative duties being
carried out by VPN and WAN's, the outlook is indeed bleak, especially as I
will be attaining the MCSA as well as the MCSE. However, I refuse to think
"Oh well there are no jobs, I might as well give up now and go home." Much
better I feel to plod and get the qualifications now, and worry about the
state of the jobs market when I'm ready to look.
Thanks for your input on this Brian, up until I found this newsgroup I had
no idea things were so dire. Is there anything else I can do to improve my
chances of employment? Perhaps the A+? Maybe I should be looking to be an
all-rounder, rather than limit myself to networking? Any advice you can
offer will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.
| |
| Wilson 2003-07-31, 12:26 pm |
| The MCSE is not nearly worth what it was a few years ago. The major factors
for the decline are:
1. Too many people getting into IT
2. IT cut backs
3. Out sourcing to India.
The problem for you is the cuts are continuing so by the time you finish
jobs will be harder to get. You should be able to get a low end position if
you have a degree and an MCSE but since people with those qualifications are
out of work you are competition is tough.
You and many others see this as a 'slump' but in reality, IT will not be a
good field to enter unless massive changes are done by the governments to
make competition with India and some other countries a bit fairer.
It is only going to get worse.
I'm not knocking the MCSE or the other certs you intend to get. If you like
the field, go for it. But don't be counting on anyone to pay you money for
your certs.
I would say the same thing to someone with a degree in IT. Don't think it
has any real value in the current job market. The job loss is still going on
and shows no signs of slowing.
"Keiran Haley" <khaley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ti6Wa.6599$1n6.1915@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> I am currently training at a Microsoft Academy, the first of it's kind in
> South East England. I have read with frustration the posts regarding the
> worthlessness of the MCSE accreditation. I am using this course to get a
> foot in the door of the IT industry, I neither expect it to get me a
> top-dollar job or a top-shelf one at that. I do intend to follow up this
> course with maybe a Cisco networking cert and/or a Novell cert. Frankly, I
> have had a love of computing since a very early age and my first ZX
> spectrum, and now I'm sick of the building trade and need a change of
> direction.
>
> Surely these certifications provide a sound knowledge base from which to
> START? All of the naysayers comments seem to revolve around one thing,
> experience. Well I seem to remember after having passed my driving test it
> took me a little while to get used to driving on my own, with no
instructor
> to point out or correct my mistakes. That my friends, is the way it is.
> Unfortunately no, experience cannot be bought, and no matter how many
certs
> you have they will never be a substitute for knowledge gained from years
in
> the field.... BUT, everyone has to start somewhere.
>
> Spare a thought for the people just starting out, regardless of what you
may
> think of the MCSE, we have still paid for the course as that is where our
> interest lies. We are still studying hard to achieve the recognition, and
> then we have to spend the first four years or so of our employment proving
> ourselves still!
>
> There may be a slump in the IT industry of late, but we all know that
after
> slumps there is generally a boom and when there is, there will be more
than
> enough work to go around. Less of the bickering ladies and gentlemen
please.
>
>
| |
| Michael O'Neill 2003-07-31, 5:25 pm |
| must be a shitty course!
"Keiran Haley" <khaley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ti6Wa.6599$1n6.1915@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> I am currently training at a Microsoft Academy, the first of it's kind in
> South East England. I have read with frustration the posts regarding the
> worthlessness of the MCSE accreditation. I am using this course to get a
> foot in the door of the IT industry, I neither expect it to get me a
> top-dollar job or a top-shelf one at that. I do intend to follow up this
> course with maybe a Cisco networking cert and/or a Novell cert. Frankly, I
> have had a love of computing since a very early age and my first ZX
> spectrum, and now I'm sick of the building trade and need a change of
> direction.
>
> Surely these certifications provide a sound knowledge base from which to
> START? All of the naysayers comments seem to revolve around one thing,
> experience. Well I seem to remember after having passed my driving test it
> took me a little while to get used to driving on my own, with no
instructor
> to point out or correct my mistakes. That my friends, is the way it is.
> Unfortunately no, experience cannot be bought, and no matter how many
certs
> you have they will never be a substitute for knowledge gained from years
in
> the field.... BUT, everyone has to start somewhere.
>
> Spare a thought for the people just starting out, regardless of what you
may
> think of the MCSE, we have still paid for the course as that is where our
> interest lies. We are still studying hard to achieve the recognition, and
> then we have to spend the first four years or so of our employment proving
> ourselves still!
>
> There may be a slump in the IT industry of late, but we all know that
after
> slumps there is generally a boom and when there is, there will be more
than
> enough work to go around. Less of the bickering ladies and gentlemen
please.
>
>
| |
| The Oracle 2003-07-31, 5:25 pm |
| I keep saying the same things and getting 'dissed for it. Alright, maybe I
come across as a bit insulting some times but I don;t mean that.
All certifications are worthless at the moment. The reasons for this are
quite nicely summed up Wilson. Too many people (who don't even know the
subject properly owning certifications that proclaim that they do) and too
few jobs. The first rules of economics prevail in such a situation;
salaries are driven down.
I am ready for the onslaught of insulting emails again - i have been
coluorful in my choice of words but I would never wish any ill will on
readers of this group. Come on, you know it's the truth - The MCSE just
like all certs - is worthless in today's environment when it comes to a
yardstck against which to measure the skills of a potential employee. There
are too many braindumps and cheaters out there.
I wish everyone well.
"Keiran Haley" <khaley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ti6Wa.6599$1n6.1915@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> I am currently training at a Microsoft Academy, the first of it's kind in
> South East England. I have read with frustration the posts regarding the
> worthlessness of the MCSE accreditation. I am using this course to get a
> foot in the door of the IT industry, I neither expect it to get me a
> top-dollar job or a top-shelf one at that. I do intend to follow up this
> course with maybe a Cisco networking cert and/or a Novell cert. Frankly, I
> have had a love of computing since a very early age and my first ZX
> spectrum, and now I'm sick of the building trade and need a change of
> direction.
>
> Surely these certifications provide a sound knowledge base from which to
> START? All of the naysayers comments seem to revolve around one thing,
> experience. Well I seem to remember after having passed my driving test it
> took me a little while to get used to driving on my own, with no
instructor
> to point out or correct my mistakes. That my friends, is the way it is.
> Unfortunately no, experience cannot be bought, and no matter how many
certs
> you have they will never be a substitute for knowledge gained from years
in
> the field.... BUT, everyone has to start somewhere.
>
> Spare a thought for the people just starting out, regardless of what you
may
> think of the MCSE, we have still paid for the course as that is where our
> interest lies. We are still studying hard to achieve the recognition, and
> then we have to spend the first four years or so of our employment proving
> ourselves still!
>
> There may be a slump in the IT industry of late, but we all know that
after
> slumps there is generally a boom and when there is, there will be more
than
> enough work to go around. Less of the bickering ladies and gentlemen
please.
>
>
| |
|
|
"Wilson" <wilson@noemailforme.org> wrote in message
news:g1bWa.15701$5O3.13545@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com...
> The MCSE is not nearly worth what it was a few years ago. The major
factors
> for the decline are:
>
> 1. Too many people getting into IT
> 2. IT cut backs
> 3. Out sourcing to India.
>
> The problem for you is the cuts are continuing so by the time you finish
> jobs will be harder to get. You should be able to get a low end position
if
> you have a degree and an MCSE but since people with those qualifications
are
> out of work you are competition is tough.
>
> You and many others see this as a 'slump' but in reality, IT will not be a
> good field to enter unless massive changes are done by the governments to
> make competition with India and some other countries a bit fairer.
>
> It is only going to get worse.
>
> I'm not knocking the MCSE or the other certs you intend to get. If you
like
> the field, go for it. But don't be counting on anyone to pay you money for
> your certs.
>
> I would say the same thing to someone with a degree in IT. Don't think it
> has any real value in the current job market. The job loss is still going
on
> and shows no signs of slowing.
>
>
>
>
> "Keiran Haley" <khaley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ti6Wa.6599$1n6.1915@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > I am currently training at a Microsoft Academy, the first of it's kind
in
> > South East England. I have read with frustration the posts regarding the
> > worthlessness of the MCSE accreditation. I am using this course to get a
> > foot in the door of the IT industry, I neither expect it to get me a
> > top-dollar job or a top-shelf one at that. I do intend to follow up this
> > course with maybe a Cisco networking cert and/or a Novell cert. Frankly,
I
> > have had a love of computing since a very early age and my first ZX
> > spectrum, and now I'm sick of the building trade and need a change of
> > direction.
> >
> > Surely these certifications provide a sound knowledge base from which to
> > START? All of the naysayers comments seem to revolve around one thing,
> > experience. Well I seem to remember after having passed my driving test
it
> > took me a little while to get used to driving on my own, with no
> instructor
> > to point out or correct my mistakes. That my friends, is the way it is.
> > Unfortunately no, experience cannot be bought, and no matter how many
> certs
> > you have they will never be a substitute for knowledge gained from years
> in
> > the field.... BUT, everyone has to start somewhere.
> >
> > Spare a thought for the people just starting out, regardless of what you
> may
> > think of the MCSE, we have still paid for the course as that is where
our
> > interest lies. We are still studying hard to achieve the recognition,
and
> > then we have to spend the first four years or so of our employment
proving
> > ourselves still!
> >
> > There may be a slump in the IT industry of late, but we all know that
> after
> > slumps there is generally a boom and when there is, there will be more
> than
> > enough work to go around. Less of the bickering ladies and gentlemen
> please.
> >
> >
>
>
>
I called Dell for tech support today on a Conexant modem. I wanted to know
if there was a newer driver for it. The nice Indian girl I talked to did a
real good job of reading me her script about modems. Unfortunately, her
script said that drivers come from the modem manufacturer. The modem
manufacturer's web site says that they sell chips to other companies and
that they do not sell or support consumer products.
In other words, my call with the nice Indian girl was completely useless.
By the way, I removed the Conexant modem and put in a nice US Robotics.
Works much better now.
| |
|
| The question is, if not IT, what field is worth studying? Accounting,
Solicitor? Are these facing the same situation as IT?
Cheers
Chris
"Keiran Haley" <khaley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ti6Wa.6599$1n6.1915@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> I am currently training at a Microsoft Academy, the first of it's kind in
> South East England. I have read with frustration the posts regarding the
> worthlessness of the MCSE accreditation. I am using this course to get a
> foot in the door of the IT industry, I neither expect it to get me a
> top-dollar job or a top-shelf one at that. I do intend to follow up this
> course with maybe a Cisco networking cert and/or a Novell cert. Frankly, I
> have had a love of computing since a very early age and my first ZX
> spectrum, and now I'm sick of the building trade and need a change of
> direction.
>
> Surely these certifications provide a sound knowledge base from which to
> START? All of the naysayers comments seem to revolve around one thing,
> experience. Well I seem to remember after having passed my driving test it
> took me a little while to get used to driving on my own, with no
instructor
> to point out or correct my mistakes. That my friends, is the way it is.
> Unfortunately no, experience cannot be bought, and no matter how many
certs
> you have they will never be a substitute for knowledge gained from years
in
> the field.... BUT, everyone has to start somewhere.
>
> Spare a thought for the people just starting out, regardless of what you
may
> think of the MCSE, we have still paid for the course as that is where our
> interest lies. We are still studying hard to achieve the recognition, and
> then we have to spend the first four years or so of our employment proving
> ourselves still!
>
> There may be a slump in the IT industry of late, but we all know that
after
> slumps there is generally a boom and when there is, there will be more
than
> enough work to go around. Less of the bickering ladies and gentlemen
please.
>
>
| |
| john63401@yahoo.com 2003-08-04, 5:25 pm |
| >The question is, if not IT, what field is worth studying? Accounting,
>Solicitor? Are these facing the same situation as IT?
>
>Cheers
> Chris
Agreed!
That is the question I ask also.
| |
| Jane Lee 2003-08-05, 12:25 am |
| Hi,
Yes the situation getting depressed day by day here in Switzerland
also. Its over a year when we started feeling that there are tough
time ahead. We decided to go for certification so when the right time
comes we will prepare for it.
Certification is good things even if it is not guarantee for the job
and in my opinion every IT person must do it. In job we usually do
what we are best in, and with the method we know. When you do
certification you need to go though all the area/problems covered by
the products and its good way to learn new thing and apply in job.
I agree its hard time but I think IT is still a fast growing field
with lots of opportunities.
Jane
john63401@yahoo.com wrote in message news:< 21htivobor6u528hm24hqp829mqpho
0q6h@4ax.com>...
> >The question is, if not IT, what field is worth studying? Accounting,
> >Solicitor? Are these facing the same situation as IT?
> >
> >Cheers
> > Chris
>
> Agreed!
>
> That is the question I ask also.
| |
| Lisa Duchovny 2003-08-06, 1:25 am |
| Hi,
I second Jane on her opinion. Knowledge and certifications always hold
value. Like every industry It is also facing tough times that is its
period of lows or depression. But again like every other industry it
will face highs again. this is just a phase of the trade cycle.
I am sure this phase will wash of pretty soon! So we should not loose
hope. We should keep going! For thereinlies our success.
sweet_jane_lee@hotmail.com (Jane Lee) wrote in message news:<124680c1.0308042014.7e89941b@posting.google.com>...
> Hi,
>
> Yes the situation getting depressed day by day here in Switzerland
> also. Its over a year when we started feeling that there are tough
> time ahead. We decided to go for certification so when the right time
> comes we will prepare for it.
>
> Certification is good things even if it is not guarantee for the job
> and in my opinion every IT person must do it. In job we usually do
> what we are best in, and with the method we know. When you do
> certification you need to go though all the area/problems covered by
> the products and its good way to learn new thing and apply in job.
>
> I agree its hard time but I think IT is still a fast growing field
> with lots of opportunities.
>
> Jane
>
>
>
>
>
> john63401@yahoo.com wrote in message news:< 21htivobor6u528hm24hqp829mqpho
0q6h@4ax.com>...
> > >The question is, if not IT, what field is worth studying? Accounting,
> > >Solicitor? Are these facing the same situation as IT?
> > >
> > >Cheers
> > > Chris
> >
> > Agreed!
> >
> > That is the question I ask also.
| |
| Abu-Alwafa 2003-08-06, 5:25 pm |
| No !
"Keiran Haley" <khaley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ti6Wa.6599$1n6.1915@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> I am currently training at a Microsoft Academy, the first of it's kind in
> South East England. I have read with frustration the posts regarding the
> worthlessness of the MCSE accreditation. I am using this course to get a
> foot in the door of the IT industry, I neither expect it to get me a
> top-dollar job or a top-shelf one at that. I do intend to follow up this
> course with maybe a Cisco networking cert and/or a Novell cert. Frankly, I
> have had a love of computing since a very early age and my first ZX
> spectrum, and now I'm sick of the building trade and need a change of
> direction.
>
> Surely these certifications provide a sound knowledge base from which to
> START? All of the naysayers comments seem to revolve around one thing,
> experience. Well I seem to remember after having passed my driving test it
> took me a little while to get used to driving on my own, with no
instructor
> to point out or correct my mistakes. That my friends, is the way it is.
> Unfortunately no, experience cannot be bought, and no matter how many
certs
> you have they will never be a substitute for knowledge gained from years
in
> the field.... BUT, everyone has to start somewhere.
>
> Spare a thought for the people just starting out, regardless of what you
may
> think of the MCSE, we have still paid for the course as that is where our
> interest lies. We are still studying hard to achieve the recognition, and
> then we have to spend the first four years or so of our employment proving
> ourselves still!
>
> There may be a slump in the IT industry of late, but we all know that
after
> slumps there is generally a boom and when there is, there will be more
than
> enough work to go around. Less of the bickering ladies and gentlemen
please.
>
>
| |
| Maynard 2003-08-07, 10:26 am |
|
Lisa,
Too bad you could not have inserted an MP3 file of some uplifting music
to go along with your post.
What is happening to IT is not related to a cycle in the job market or
economy. What is happening is that IT work is going overseas and H1-B visa
holding people are coming into America to take US jobs.
It is not going to get better unless the government where to pass
legislation of some kind. Considering the help and protection the
steelworkers in the 1970s got, that is not likely.
IT jobs for Americans are evaporating by the minute and the competition is
getting more fierce and salaries are dropping.
Visit this web page for more info (if you dare). Otherwise, sing like Mary
Poppins and take a spoonful of sugar.
http://www.zazona.com/ShameH1B/
"Lisa Duchovny" <lisa_duchovny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e458bab3.0308052026.711cb255@posting.google.com...
> Hi,
>
> I second Jane on her opinion. Knowledge and certifications always hold
> value. Like every industry It is also facing tough times that is its
> period of lows or depression. But again like every other industry it
> will face highs again. this is just a phase of the trade cycle.
>
> I am sure this phase will wash of pretty soon! So we should not loose
> hope. We should keep going! For thereinlies our success.
>
> sweet_jane_lee@hotmail.com (Jane Lee) wrote in message
news:<124680c1.0308042014.7e89941b@posting.google.com>...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Yes the situation getting depressed day by day here in Switzerland
> > also. Its over a year when we started feeling that there are tough
> > time ahead. We decided to go for certification so when the right time
> > comes we will prepare for it.
> >
> > Certification is good things even if it is not guarantee for the job
> > and in my opinion every IT person must do it. In job we usually do
> > what we are best in, and with the method we know. When you do
> > certification you need to go though all the area/problems covered by
> > the products and its good way to learn new thing and apply in job.
> >
> > I agree its hard time but I think IT is still a fast growing field
> > with lots of opportunities.
> >
> > Jane
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > john63401@yahoo.com wrote in message
news:< 21htivobor6u528hm24hqp829mqpho
0q6h@4ax.com>... [colo
r=darkred]
> > > >The question is, if not IT, what field is worth studying?[/color]
Accounting,
> > > >Solicitor? Are these facing the same situation as IT?
> > > >
> > > >Cheers
> > > > Chris
> > >
> > > Agreed!
> > >
> > > That is the question I ask also.
| |
|
| "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:5NsYa.7248$ta2.6419@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> Lisa,
> Too bad you could not have inserted an MP3 file of some uplifting
music
> to go along with your post.
>
> What is happening to IT is not related to a cycle in the job market or
> economy. What is happening is that IT work is going overseas and H1-B visa
> holding people are coming into America to take US jobs.
That's what people don't get. H-1B and L1 have killed the market for us
network types. High paying jobs in network admin... well, those days are
over. Maybe if you have an MIS degree with an MBA along with it you can do
well in IT management, but the glory days for the techies have come and gone
and they are never coming back. I saw the writing on the wall three years
ago. The very fact this THIS newsgroup used to generate HUNDREDS of new
messages a day and now generates less than 20 a day should tell you
something about the market. Sales of certification texts and other network
training books are at an all time low.
"Multi-culturalization" and the "Internationalization" of the economy hurts
American workers. You think IT people have it bad now, wait until
accounting and finance jobs move off-shore, as they have already begun to
do. ANY job that Corporate America thinks it can move offshore, or cut its
cost by bringing in foreign labor, it WILL do it.
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| "Jane Lee" <sweet_jane_lee@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> I agree its hard time but I think IT is still a fast growing field
> with lots of opportunities.
This is not a cyclical thing that is happening here. The depression of the
IT market has not been caused by a recession or even 9-11. It is because of
a concerted effort on behalf of Corporate America and our government to
replace American workers with foreign labor, and to move any job offshore
that it can. I never thought I would live to see the day when I would agree
with Democrats on anything, but this H-1B and L1 crap has to stop.
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| john63401@yahoo.com 2003-08-08, 11:28 am |
| >You think IT people have it bad now, wait until
>accounting and finance jobs move off-shore, as they have already begun to
>do. ANY job that Corporate America thinks it can move offshore, or cut its
>cost by bringing in foreign labor, it WILL do it.
Wow
Im a newbie here..... one of the people asking all the
questions abt MCSE and such. Ive learned a LOT already
just hanging out here.
Anyway...... you and others have really opened my eyes
up to what is happening in this country as far as the
export of jobs!! I guess I didn't "realize" the extent
of it. That even accounting and finance can be
exported! Very sad...... and stupid.
Still tho.... I will probably train and teach myself
abt networking..... maybe even get the certs..... but I
will do that only cause it "interests" me...... and
cause I do need more knowledge in the area.
But I sure wont do it with the thought that it is THE
field I will make a living in I guess
In closing.....I just want to say that this has been a
very interesting and informative discussing! Thanks
all!!
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| <john63401@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In closing.....I just want to say that this has been a
> very interesting and informative discussing! Thanks
> all!!
Think management if you want a long-term career in IT. Otherwise, just
program or play with computers as a hobby. The lucrative, glory years of IT
are over.
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| john63401@yahoo.com 2003-08-11, 9:25 am |
| >Think management if you want a long-term career in IT. Otherwise, just
>program or play with computers as a hobby. The lucrative, glory years of IT
>are over.
Thanks Bob.....
I have REALLY learned the above. <sigh>
I still love messing around with computers....and will
STILL go ahead and setup a test lab and learn
networking and maybe even take MCSE testing.
BUT..... I will NOT look to IT as a career any more.
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