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| Adam Leinss 2003-07-06, 3:24 pm |
| Has anyone went the self study route or suggestions for doing so? I'm
working right now, but want to better myself. The company I work for
has agreed to pick up some of the tab. The problem is that this
community college offering the MCSE certficate has to have the
confusing offering ever. They list courses you need for the degree,
but they don't appear in the schedule of classes! And now the person
in charge of this program tells me these classes are almost full, yet
I cannot register for them until July 15th!!! I'm getting a bit tired
of this cat & mouse game and I'm thinking of just getting books for
each course and doing a self-study. I have 3 PCs right now: one XP
box, one 2000 server box and one dual-boot 9x/2000 box, so I think I
have a pretty good test environment right here at home.
I also think it's a waste to blow $6000 on TechSkills when all they do
is give you some CBTs and lab time.
Thoughts, comments?
Thanks,
Adam
| |
|
| Hi Adam
I've just finished MCSE and I did it by myself. I had small lab, bought all
exam books (New Riders mostly, they include Exam Gear testing software),
visited http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ when I wanted to make some stuff
clear and used Transcender (on top of Exam Gear) for difficult exams (like
70-216). I've spent around $ 1000 plus exam fees.
I'm in IT branch since 1995 but working in big environment with Domains only
in last three years. It helped me a lot.
I can say only this: Good luck to you!!!
Regards
Sasha
"Adam Leinss" <aleinss@toughguy.net> wrote in message
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ghguynet@toughguy.net...
> Has anyone went the self study route or suggestions for doing so? I'm
> working right now, but want to better myself. The company I work for
> has agreed to pick up some of the tab. The problem is that this
> community college offering the MCSE certficate has to have the
> confusing offering ever. They list courses you need for the degree,
> but they don't appear in the schedule of classes! And now the person
> in charge of this program tells me these classes are almost full, yet
> I cannot register for them until July 15th!!! I'm getting a bit tired
> of this cat & mouse game and I'm thinking of just getting books for
> each course and doing a self-study. I have 3 PCs right now: one XP
> box, one 2000 server box and one dual-boot 9x/2000 box, so I think I
> have a pretty good test environment right here at home.
>
> I also think it's a waste to blow $6000 on TechSkills when all they do
> is give you some CBTs and lab time.
>
> Thoughts, comments?
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
| |
| Adam Leinss 2003-07-06, 6:24 pm |
| "Sasha" <Mirjana@skynet.be> wrote in
news:3f0891fa$0$291$ba620e4c@r
eader0.news.skynet.be:
> Hi Adam
>
> I've just finished MCSE and I did it by myself. I had small lab,
> bought all exam books (New Riders mostly, they include Exam Gear
> testing software), visited http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/
> when I wanted to make some stuff clear and used Transcender (on
> top of Exam Gear) for difficult exams (like 70-216). I've spent
> around $ 1000 plus exam fees.
>
> I'm in IT branch since 1995 but working in big environment with
> Domains only in last three years. It helped me a lot.
How long from start to finish did it take to complete the track?
Thanks,
Adam
| |
| pheonix1t 2003-07-06, 10:25 pm |
| Adam Leinss wrote:
> "Sasha" <Mirjana@skynet.be> wrote in
> news:3f0891fa$0$291$ba620e4c@r
eader0.news.skynet.be:
>
>
>>Hi Adam
>>
>>I've just finished MCSE and I did it by myself. I had small lab,
>>bought all exam books (New Riders mostly, they include Exam Gear
>>testing software), visited http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/
>>when I wanted to make some stuff clear and used Transcender (on
>>top of Exam Gear) for difficult exams (like 70-216). I've spent
>>around $ 1000 plus exam fees.
>>
>>I'm in IT branch since 1995 but working in big environment with
>>Domains only in last three years. It helped me a lot.
>
>
> How long from start to finish did it take to complete the track?
this depends on your experience.....if you have a good amount of
experience, the MCSE isn't that hard. If you are new and have no
clue....it can seem hard - but it's really not.
If you want hard....do the CCIE, SCNA, or the OCP....now those are HARD
tests! The MCSE is a walk in the park compared to these...
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
| |
| Techie 2003-07-06, 11:26 pm |
| The exams themselves are a joke but the knowledge required to be a MCSE is
as hard as the other certs, they just make there exams more difficult. I
wish MS would follow this route because it would help to weed out the weak
and unworthy.
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"pheonix1t" <pheonix1t898oi@iliiearthilink.eionet> wrote in message
news:xO4Oa.582$fD1.276@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Adam Leinss wrote:
> > "Sasha" <Mirjana@skynet.be> wrote in
> > news:3f0891fa$0$291$ba620e4c@r
eader0.news.skynet.be:
> >
> >
> >>Hi Adam
> >>
> >>I've just finished MCSE and I did it by myself. I had small lab,
> >>bought all exam books (New Riders mostly, they include Exam Gear
> >>testing software), visited http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/
> >>when I wanted to make some stuff clear and used Transcender (on
> >>top of Exam Gear) for difficult exams (like 70-216). I've spent
> >>around $ 1000 plus exam fees.
> >>
> >>I'm in IT branch since 1995 but working in big environment with
> >>Domains only in last three years. It helped me a lot.
> >
> >
> > How long from start to finish did it take to complete the track?
>
> this depends on your experience.....if you have a good amount of
> experience, the MCSE isn't that hard. If you are new and have no
> clue....it can seem hard - but it's really not.
> If you want hard....do the CCIE, SCNA, or the OCP....now those are HARD
> tests! The MCSE is a walk in the park compared to these...
>
>
>
> > Thanks,
> > Adam
> >
>
| |
|
| how would you know that the exams r a joke?
you are just MCP!
dont comment on it if you have not done those exams! you dont come to
conclusion by just listening to other people talks..
"Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cS4Oa.6640$Tx.139823@news20.bellglobal.com...
> The exams themselves are a joke but the knowledge required to be a MCSE is
> as hard as the other certs, they just make there exams more difficult. I
> wish MS would follow this route because it would help to weed out the weak
> and unworthy.
>
> --
> Techie
> A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
>
> "pheonix1t" <pheonix1t898oi@iliiearthilink.eionet> wrote in message
> news:xO4Oa.582$fD1.276@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > Adam Leinss wrote:
> > > "Sasha" <Mirjana@skynet.be> wrote in
> > > news:3f0891fa$0$291$ba620e4c@r
eader0.news.skynet.be:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Hi Adam
> > >>
> > >>I've just finished MCSE and I did it by myself. I had small lab,
> > >>bought all exam books (New Riders mostly, they include Exam Gear
> > >>testing software), visited http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/
> > >>when I wanted to make some stuff clear and used Transcender (on
> > >>top of Exam Gear) for difficult exams (like 70-216). I've spent
> > >>around $ 1000 plus exam fees.
> > >>
> > >>I'm in IT branch since 1995 but working in big environment with
> > >>Domains only in last three years. It helped me a lot.
> > >
> > >
> > > How long from start to finish did it take to complete the track?
> >
> > this depends on your experience.....if you have a good amount of
> > experience, the MCSE isn't that hard. If you are new and have no
> > clue....it can seem hard - but it's really not.
> > If you want hard....do the CCIE, SCNA, or the OCP....now those are HARD
> > tests! The MCSE is a walk in the park compared to these...
> >
> >
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Adam
> > >
> >
>
>
| |
| Andy Foster 2003-07-07, 2:26 am |
| "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<cS4Oa.6640$Tx.139823@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> The exams themselves are a joke but the knowledge required to be a MCSE is
> as hard as the other certs, they just make there exams more difficult. I
> wish MS would follow this route because it would help to weed out the weak
> and unworthy.
>
Does this make *any* sense to anyone else ? If so, could they please
translate it for me.
TIA
Andy
| |
|
| i'm assuming that our friend is trying to tell us that MS exams some way
lacks that *diffuculty* that he has experienced doing other cert exams....
but still also claims that one needs to have extensive knwoledge to be a
MCSE.. ofcourse you do.. but that knowledge is earned by working and
learning the *real world* scenarios
exams are there to just to test your ability in absorbing all the
information in the book and able to answer the question in the given time
limit!!
i dont see how MS can weed out those people by just making their exams
harder to pass..given that the braindumps still exist!
"Andy Foster" <andyn05p4m@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<cS4Oa.6640$Tx.139823@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > The exams themselves are a joke but the knowledge required to be a MCSE
is
> > as hard as the other certs, they just make there exams more difficult. I
> > wish MS would follow this route because it would help to weed out the
weak
> > and unworthy.
> >
>
> Does this make *any* sense to anyone else ? If so, could they please
> translate it for me.
>
> TIA
>
> Andy
| |
| Sasha 2003-07-07, 12:26 pm |
| Approximately 10 months, but consider that I had to work all the time so I
had to study mostly during weekends.
Sasha
"Adam Leinss" <aleinss@toughguy.net> wrote in message
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> "Sasha" <Mirjana@skynet.be> wrote in
> news:3f0891fa$0$291$ba620e4c@r
eader0.news.skynet.be:
>
> > Hi Adam
> >
> > I've just finished MCSE and I did it by myself. I had small lab,
> > bought all exam books (New Riders mostly, they include Exam Gear
> > testing software), visited http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/
> > when I wanted to make some stuff clear and used Transcender (on
> > top of Exam Gear) for difficult exams (like 70-216). I've spent
> > around $ 1000 plus exam fees.
> >
> > I'm in IT branch since 1995 but working in big environment with
> > Domains only in last three years. It helped me a lot.
>
> How long from start to finish did it take to complete the track?
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
| |
| DenverBob 2003-07-07, 1:26 pm |
| I did mine all through self study. It really depends on your experience
level...I have over 20 years in the business, so it wasn't a big deal. I've
also been through a lot of Cisco and Cascade switch training, so the
networking pieces that most people struggle with were a lot easier for me.
I took about 1 month per exam (a little less on the first two) while working
full time. I usually booked my exams for a Tuesday afternoon. That way, If
I felt I wasn't ready by Monday afternoon, I'd reschedule.
I used mostly Sybex study guides, but I spent a lot of time in the resource
kit and on the Microsoft site reading white papers as well. Be sure to take
some practice exams from a MS authorised vendor (like Self Test Software, or
others listed on the MS Certification site) in order to familiarise yourself
with the test format, as it can be a bit confusing if you don't. Don't
waste your time with braindumps or other "shortcut" methods....they will
hurt you in the long run.
Be sure to get yourself a small lab environment. I personally used 4
(fairly inexpensive) systems with removable hard drives for my lab. I had 2
NICs in each, and a couple of inexpensive NetGear switches. I think I have
about $3000.00 total invested in my lab...and I still use the systems ALL
THE TIME. If you ask me, this is money well spent (as compared to the
outregeous prices for training).
Best of luck...
--
DenverBob
MCSE/W2K
-------------------------
You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know
how seldom they do.
Olin Miller
| |
| john63401@yahoo.com 2003-07-07, 2:26 pm |
| >Be sure to get yourself a small lab environment. I personally used 4
>(fairly inexpensive) systems with removable hard drives for my lab. I had 2
>NICs in each, and a couple of inexpensive NetGear switches. I think I have
>about $3000.00 total invested in my lab...and I still use the systems ALL
>THE TIME. If you ask me, this is money well spent (as compared to the
>outregeous prices for training).
Any particular advice on what models and brands of PCs
to buy for a training lab??
Did u buy all brand new stuff.... PCs and all?
Or did you buy used stuff cheap?
| |
|
| Well one of the first things to learn is the minimum hardware spec that
Windows 2000 should run on so in theory anything above that should suffice
(but probably only for the very patient)  I built a system using an
inexpensive motherboard, Duron 800 processor and put 512MB of RAM in it and
I always build that as my DC. I was also lucky enough to lay my hands on a
couple of 2nd hand Dell Optiplex's with PIII 450's and I just beefed up the
RAM to 256MB (perks of working in a PC Workshop in the past). These were
great as they had the PXE ROM for the built in NICs so I was able to do RIS
labs. If you want to learn RIS by doing it then if you can't get PXE
compliant NICs try and get 3COM NICs which should work with the RBFG. Also,
if you do Exchange as one of your electives make sure the machine you
install it on has plenty of RAM. I put E2K on one of my Dells and it takes
an age for all the services to start (but it's fine for learning on). Both
Dells have been DCs in the past and have worked fine too. HTH.
Regards,
DJKJ
<john63401@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >Be sure to get yourself a small lab environment. I personally used 4
> >(fairly inexpensive) systems with removable hard drives for my lab. I
had 2
> >NICs in each, and a couple of inexpensive NetGear switches. I think I
have
> >about $3000.00 total invested in my lab...and I still use the systems
ALL
> >THE TIME. If you ask me, this is money well spent (as compared to the
> >outregeous prices for training).
>
> Any particular advice on what models and brands of PCs
> to buy for a training lab??
>
>
> Did u buy all brand new stuff.... PCs and all?
>
> Or did you buy used stuff cheap?
| |
| john63401@yahoo.com 2003-07-07, 4:26 pm |
| >Well one of the first things to learn is the minimum hardware spec that
>Windows 2000 should run on so in theory anything above that should suffice
>(but probably only for the very patient) I built a system using an
>inexpensive motherboard, Duron 800 processor and put 512MB of RAM in it and
>I always build that as my DC.
OK.... but what is a "DC"
> I was also lucky enough to lay my hands on a
>couple of 2nd hand Dell Optiplex's with PIII 450's and I just beefed up the
>RAM to 256MB (perks of working in a PC Workshop in the past). These were
>great as they had the PXE ROM for the built in NICs so I was able to do RIS
>labs. If you want to learn RIS by doing it then if you can't get PXE
>compliant NICs try and get 3COM NICs which should work with the RBFG.
Yes... I do want to do/learn RIS.
| |
|
| Domain Controller.
It refers to the computers that host the domain and all its information.
This includes user accounts, computer accounts etc. Therefore no domain
controllers no domain.
In the old days of NT4 which a lot of companies still use you have a PDC and
BDC. This stands for Primary Domain Controller and Backup Domain
Controller.
Now days in W2K domain information is stored in Active Directory.
This is an extremely simple definition...you have a lot of reading ahead.
As for PCs I used a combination of bits and pieces that where lying around
as well as Ebay. None of my servers are new stuff. As a MCSE you should be
happy building a pc. Installing a network card and its drivers should be a
straight forward task. If you lack this knowledge, then now's the time to
get some hands on.
Kind Regards
Chris
<john63401@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >Well one of the first things to learn is the minimum hardware spec that
> >Windows 2000 should run on so in theory anything above that should
suffice
> >(but probably only for the very patient) I built a system using an
> >inexpensive motherboard, Duron 800 processor and put 512MB of RAM in it
and
> >I always build that as my DC.
>
> OK.... but what is a "DC"
>
> > I was also lucky enough to lay my hands on a
> >couple of 2nd hand Dell Optiplex's with PIII 450's and I just beefed up
the
> >RAM to 256MB (perks of working in a PC Workshop in the past). These were
> >great as they had the PXE ROM for the built in NICs so I was able to do
RIS
> >labs. If you want to learn RIS by doing it then if you can't get PXE
> >compliant NICs try and get 3COM NICs which should work with the RBFG.
>
> Yes... I do want to do/learn RIS.
| |
| DenverBob 2003-07-07, 6:25 pm |
| I built all mine myself. I just bought some "barebones" systems from Tiger
Direct, and then added some RAM (1 gb each system), processors (P3 733 mhz),
hard drives (most of mine are 20gb...which is more than enough), and
adequate video cards. I also got a 4 port KVM switch (Belkin) to save money
on monitors/keyboards/mice. I then added 2 NICs per system and a couple
NetGear switches....and that was all I needed to do everything you will
encounter in the exams. You may want to add a modem to a couple of them for
dial-up networking stufff....but only if you have enough phone lines. I
didn't bother.
If you are not the type that can build your own...then look for "closeout"
and "refurb" systems from any reputable online vendor. Any brand will do.
If you spend more than $400.00 per system, then you are spending more than
you need. These days you can get FAR more system than I built for the same
amount of money.
--
DenverBob
MCSE/W2K
-------------------------
You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know
how seldom they do.
Olin Miller
| |
| Adam Leinss 2003-07-07, 8:25 pm |
| "Sasha" <Mirjana@skynet.be> wrote in
news:3f099f96$0$291$ba620e4c@r
eader0.news.skynet.be:
> Approximately 10 months, but consider that I had to work all the
> time so I had to study mostly during weekends.
> Sasha
Great, thanks for the info!
Adam
| |
|
| All you need is 2, even better 3 computers that will support Windows
2000 server and a good study guide. Do the examples in the book and
understand what your doing. Then maybe look at the transcenders. It
has not failed me yet. I have 5 exams under my belt.
Try to have fun when studying. This is great shit.
DenverBob wrote:
> I built all mine myself. I just bought some "barebones" systems from Tiger
> Direct, and then added some RAM (1 gb each system), processors (P3 733 mhz),
> hard drives (most of mine are 20gb...which is more than enough), and
> adequate video cards. I also got a 4 port KVM switch (Belkin) to save money
> on monitors/keyboards/mice. I then added 2 NICs per system and a couple
> NetGear switches....and that was all I needed to do everything you will
> encounter in the exams. You may want to add a modem to a couple of them for
> dial-up networking stufff....but only if you have enough phone lines. I
> didn't bother.
>
> If you are not the type that can build your own...then look for "closeout"
> and "refurb" systems from any reputable online vendor. Any brand will do.
> If you spend more than $400.00 per system, then you are spending more than
> you need. These days you can get FAR more system than I built for the same
> amount of money.
>
| |
| Techie 2003-07-07, 10:25 pm |
| XXXXXXX Do you know anything or do you just mouth off for fun? All the MCSE
and the MCSA are is a combination of MCPs so my point is valid the exams are
a joke and need to be reworked to make them more challenging. Now go back to
reading your braindumps and let the adults have a conversation
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"Smoi" <Smoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> how would you know that the exams r a joke?
> you are just MCP!
> dont comment on it if you have not done those exams! you dont come to
> conclusion by just listening to other people talks..
>
>
> "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cS4Oa.6640$Tx.139823@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > The exams themselves are a joke but the knowledge required to be a MCSE
is
> > as hard as the other certs, they just make there exams more difficult. I
> > wish MS would follow this route because it would help to weed out the
weak
> > and unworthy.
> >
> > --
> > Techie
> > A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
> >
> > "pheonix1t" <pheonix1t898oi@iliiearthilink.eionet> wrote in message
> > news:xO4Oa.582$fD1.276@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > Adam Leinss wrote:
> > > > "Sasha" <Mirjana@skynet.be> wrote in
> > > > news:3f0891fa$0$291$ba620e4c@r
eader0.news.skynet.be:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Hi Adam
> > > >>
> > > >>I've just finished MCSE and I did it by myself. I had small lab,
> > > >>bought all exam books (New Riders mostly, they include Exam Gear
> > > >>testing software), visited http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/
> > > >>when I wanted to make some stuff clear and used Transcender (on
> > > >>top of Exam Gear) for difficult exams (like 70-216). I've spent
> > > >>around $ 1000 plus exam fees.
> > > >>
> > > >>I'm in IT branch since 1995 but working in big environment with
> > > >>Domains only in last three years. It helped me a lot.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How long from start to finish did it take to complete the track?
> > >
> > > this depends on your experience.....if you have a good amount of
> > > experience, the MCSE isn't that hard. If you are new and have no
> > > clue....it can seem hard - but it's really not.
> > > If you want hard....do the CCIE, SCNA, or the OCP....now those are
HARD[
color=darkred]
> > > tests! The MCSE is a walk in the park compared to these...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Adam
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>[/color]
| |
| Techie 2003-07-07, 10:25 pm |
| Andy,
What can you only read braindumps? The exams are a joke but the knowledge
and hopefully skill learned studying for the exams is what really matters.
If done right the MCSE is just as hard as the other certs only problem is
too many people cheat so its a useless cert.
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"Andy Foster" <andyn05p4m@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<cS4Oa.6640$Tx.139823@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > The exams themselves are a joke but the knowledge required to be a MCSE
is
> > as hard as the other certs, they just make there exams more difficult. I
> > wish MS would follow this route because it would help to weed out the
weak
> > and unworthy.
> >
>
> Does this make *any* sense to anyone else ? If so, could they please
> translate it for me.
>
> TIA
>
> Andy
| |
| Techie 2003-07-07, 10:25 pm |
| Never said otherwise, if you have ever read anything I have ever posted here
I have always stated that experience is the most important thing, and that
the certs themselves mean nothing.
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"Smoi" <Smoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1057568929.51173@ns2.1earth.net...
> i'm assuming that our friend is trying to tell us that MS exams some way
> lacks that *diffuculty* that he has experienced doing other cert exams....
> but still also claims that one needs to have extensive knwoledge to be a
> MCSE.. ofcourse you do.. but that knowledge is earned by working and
> learning the *real world* scenarios
>
> exams are there to just to test your ability in absorbing all the
> information in the book and able to answer the question in the given time
> limit!!
>
> i dont see how MS can weed out those people by just making their exams
> harder to pass..given that the braindumps still exist!
>
>
>
>
> "Andy Foster" <andyn05p4m@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9f341f2f.0307062151.53237cd5@posting.google.com...
> > "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<cS4Oa.6640$Tx.139823@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > > The exams themselves are a joke but the knowledge required to be a
MCSE
> is
> > > as hard as the other certs, they just make there exams more difficult.
I[col
or=darkred]
> > > wish MS would follow this route because it would help to weed out the
> weak
> > > and unworthy.
> > >
> >
> > Does this make *any* sense to anyone else ? If so, could they please
> > translate it for me.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Andy
>
>[/color]
| |
| RussS 2003-07-07, 11:24 pm |
| Hmmm, if certs mean nothing why do you have an alphabet soup after your name
then?
| |
|
| if i respond to you using *words* like you then it wont make much difference
between you and me...
MCP can mean anything.. it is just to say that you are profecient in
particular MS product or technology
since you have not specifically mentioned your MCP field.. i assume that you
have not seen the *real* exams that are required for MCSE.. you seem to have
problems in judging quality of exams.. my answer is very simple to
understand, you need to do those exams to know how they are.. it is just
like driving cars.. you need to drive a ferrari to know how it feels! it is
not just enough to hear from people about how it feels to ride it..
what made you to think that i read braindumps? i never said i read them.. u
tool!
adult conversation?!? hahahh... i had a good laugh 
you see my mum always told me that adults take more extra care than kids
like me when they make an inflammatory remark.. i guess she is wrong!
"Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gepOa.937$Ag6.98225@news20.bellglobal.com...
> XXXXXXX Do you know anything or do you just mouth off for fun? All the
MCSE
> and the MCSA are is a combination of MCPs so my point is valid the exams
are
> a joke and need to be reworked to make them more challenging. Now go back
to
> reading your braindumps and let the adults have a conversation
>
> --
> Techie
> A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
>
> "Smoi" <Smoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1057550693.257180@ns2.1earth.net...
> > how would you know that the exams r a joke?
> > you are just MCP!
> > dont comment on it if you have not done those exams! you dont come to
> > conclusion by just listening to other people talks..
> >
> >
> > "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:cS4Oa.6640$Tx.139823@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > The exams themselves are a joke but the knowledge required to be a
MCSE
> is
> > > as hard as the other certs, they just make there exams more difficult.
I[col
or=darkred]
> > > wish MS would follow this route because it would help to weed out the
> weak
> > > and unworthy.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Techie
> > > A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
> > >
> > > "pheonix1t" <pheonix1t898oi@iliiearthilink.eionet> wrote in message
> > > news:xO4Oa.582$fD1.276@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > > Adam Leinss wrote:
> > > > > "Sasha" <Mirjana@skynet.be> wrote in
> > > > > news:3f0891fa$0$291$ba620e4c@r
eader0.news.skynet.be:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Hi Adam
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I've just finished MCSE and I did it by myself. I had small lab,
> > > > >>bought all exam books (New Riders mostly, they include Exam Gear
> > > > >>testing software), visited http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/
> > > > >>when I wanted to make some stuff clear and used Transcender (on
> > > > >>top of Exam Gear) for difficult exams (like 70-216). I've spent
> > > > >>around $ 1000 plus exam fees.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I'm in IT branch since 1995 but working in big environment with
> > > > >>Domains only in last three years. It helped me a lot.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How long from start to finish did it take to complete the track?
> > > >
> > > > this depends on your experience.....if you have a good amount of
> > > > experience, the MCSE isn't that hard. If you are new and have no
> > > > clue....it can seem hard - but it's really not.
> > > > If you want hard....do the CCIE, SCNA, or the OCP....now those are
> HARD
> > > > tests! The MCSE is a walk in the park compared to these...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Adam
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>[/color]
| |
| john63401@yahoo.com 2003-07-08, 9:25 am |
| > I then added 2 NICs per system and a couple
>NetGear switches....and that was all I needed to do everything you will
>encounter in the exams.
OK guys....
Curious tho... why the two NICs per computer? What
does that allow? Why not one?
And yes.... I KNOW I have a LOT of reading ahead....
but right now Im just wanting to get the test lab
setup.
Please be "gentle" with me everyone. <sheepish grin>
| |
| john63401@yahoo.com 2003-07-08, 9:25 am |
| >All you need is 2, even better 3 computers that will support Windows
>2000 server and a good study guide. Do the examples in the book and
>understand what your doing. Then maybe look at the transcenders. It
>has not failed me yet. I have 5 exams under my belt.
Ok... thanks for the advice. That is my "plan".
Any advice on what books and course-wear to buy?
>Try to have fun when studying. This is great shit.
Yep. I enjoy this stuff.... but I have a TON to learn
| |
| Dr Zoidberg 2003-07-08, 10:26 am |
| john63401@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I then added 2 NICs per system and a couple
>> NetGear switches....and that was all I needed to do everything you
>> will encounter in the exams.
>
> OK guys....
>
> Curious tho... why the two NICs per computer? What
> does that allow? Why not one?
>
you will find there are a lot of questions about using RRAS (remote access
and routing) in the exams.
If you have 2 NICs you can have a good play round with this using your
server to route between two subnets.
--
Alex
"I laugh in the face of danger"
"Then I hide until it goes away"
| |
| Techie 2003-07-08, 9:25 pm |
| Smoi,
You spew garbage you get garbage back. I see no point in listing every exam
I have written its a waste of space and time, stating MCP is in my opinion
enough. I am one exam from the MCSE and can state in all honest the exams
are a joke, and to prove it just look at the high number of people who
braindump them and never actually use the products they are supposedly
certified on.
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"Smoi" <Smoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1057642762.49028@ns2.1earth.net...
> if i respond to you using *words* like you then it wont make much
difference
> between you and me...
>
> MCP can mean anything.. it is just to say that you are profecient in
> particular MS product or technology
> since you have not specifically mentioned your MCP field.. i assume that
you
> have not seen the *real* exams that are required for MCSE.. you seem to
have
> problems in judging quality of exams.. my answer is very simple to
> understand, you need to do those exams to know how they are.. it is just
> like driving cars.. you need to drive a ferrari to know how it feels! it
is
> not just enough to hear from people about how it feels to ride it..
>
> what made you to think that i read braindumps? i never said i read them..
u
> tool!
>
> adult conversation?!? hahahh... i had a good laugh
>
> you see my mum always told me that adults take more extra care than kids
> like me when they make an inflammatory remark.. i guess she is wrong!
>
>
> "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gepOa.937$Ag6.98225@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > XXXXXXX Do you know anything or do you just mouth off for fun? All the
> MCSE
> > and the MCSA are is a combination of MCPs so my point is valid the exams
> are
> > a joke and need to be reworked to make them more challenging. Now go
back
> to
> > reading your braindumps and let the adults have a conversation
> >
> > --
> > Techie
> > A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
> >
> > "Smoi" <Smoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1057550693.257180@ns2.1earth.net...
> > > how would you know that the exams r a joke?
> > > you are just MCP!
> > > dont comment on it if you have not done those exams! you dont come to
> > > conclusion by just listening to other people talks..
> > >
> > >
> > > "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:cS4Oa.6640$Tx.139823@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > > The exams themselves are a joke but the knowledge required to be a
> MCSE
> > is
> > > > as hard as the other certs, they just make there exams more
difficult.
> I
> > > > wish MS would follow this route because it would help to weed out
the
> > weak
> > > > and unworthy.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Techie
> > > > A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
> > > >
> > > > "pheonix1t" <pheonix1t898oi@iliiearthilink.eionet> wrote in message
> > > > news:xO4Oa.582$fD1.276@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > > > Adam Leinss wrote:
> > > > > > "Sasha" <Mirjana@skynet.be> wrote in
> > > > > > news:3f0891fa$0$291$ba620e4c@r
eader0.news.skynet.be:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Hi Adam
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I've just finished MCSE and I did it by myself. I had small lab,
> > > > > >>bought all exam books (New Riders mostly, they include Exam Gear
> > > > > >>testing software), visited http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/
> > > > > >>when I wanted to make some stuff clear and used Transcender (on
> > > > > >>top of Exam Gear) for difficult exams (like 70-216). I've
spent
> > > > > >>around $ 1000 plus exam fees.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I'm in IT branch since 1995 but working in big environment with
> > > > > >>Domains only in last three years. It helped me a lot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How long from start to finish did it take to complete the track?
> > > > >
> > > > > this depends on your experience.....if you have a good amount of
> > > > > experience, the MCSE isn't that hard. If you are new and have no
> > > > > clue....it can seem hard - but it's really not.
> > > > > If you want hard....do the CCIE, SCNA, or the OCP....now those are
> > HARD
> > > > > tests! The MCSE is a walk in the park compared to these...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Adam
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Techie 2003-07-08, 9:25 pm |
| You can't get a job interview without them, but lets be honest what is more
important the alphabet or years of experience? Experience and skill win out
everytime.
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com> wrote in message
news:caqOa.72550$JA5.1323943@news.xtra.co.nz...
> Hmmm, if certs mean nothing why do you have an alphabet soup after your
name
> then?
>
>
| |
| Andy Foster 2003-07-09, 2:26 am |
| "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vgpOa.943$Ag6.98804@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Andy,
> What can you only read braindumps? The exams are a joke but the knowledge
> and hopefully skill learned studying for the exams is what really matters.
> If done right the MCSE is just as hard as the other certs only problem is
> too many people cheat so its a useless cert.
>
Eh ? WTF ? Who said anything about braindumps ?
My post asked if anyone could make sense of your post - which IMHO was less
than clear, and seemingly contradictory.
Andy
| |
| =?Windows-1252?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?= 2003-07-09, 8:25 am |
| "Andy Foster" <Firstname@FirstnameLastname.com> wrote in message
news:LeOOa.10$TE5.2517@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
> "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:vgpOa.943$Ag6.98804@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > Andy,
> > What can you only read braindumps? The exams are a joke but the
knowledge
> > and hopefully skill learned studying for the exams is what really
matters.
> > If done right the MCSE is just as hard as the other certs only problem
is
> > too many people cheat so its a useless cert.
> >
>
> Eh ? WTF ? Who said anything about braindumps ?
> My post asked if anyone could make sense of your post - which IMHO was
less
> than clear, and seemingly contradictory.
>
> Andy
You know, Andy, if you would add MCNGP to your sigs, it might help avoid
these misunderstandings.
| |
| Crazymiclo30 2003-07-10, 10:26 am |
| I don't get it?????
--
crazymiclo
A+, Network+, MCP
"Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lP2Pa.14892$Tx.696118@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Ok lets try this again so the elementary school crowd can understand:
>
> MS Exams = bull shit
> Knowledge learned studying or working towards MS Exams = Good
>
> --
> Techie
> A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
>
> "Andy Foster" <Firstname@FirstnameLastname.com> wrote in message
> news:LeOOa.10$TE5.2517@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
> > "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vgpOa.943$Ag6.98804@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > Andy,
> > > What can you only read braindumps? The exams are a joke but the
> knowledge
> > > and hopefully skill learned studying for the exams is what really
> matters.
> > > If done right the MCSE is just as hard as the other certs only problem
> is
> > > too many people cheat so its a useless cert.
> > >
> >
> > Eh ? WTF ? Who said anything about braindumps ?
> > My post asked if anyone could make sense of your post - which IMHO was
> less
> > than clear, and seemingly contradictory.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Andy Foster 2003-07-10, 11:26 am |
| "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lP2Pa.14892$Tx.696118@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Ok lets try this again so the elementary school crowd can understand:
>
Your inability to compose a coherent post != my inability to comprehend a
coherent post
> MS Exams = bull shit
> Knowledge learned studying or working towards MS Exams = Good
>
Yeah, you're right, it's the exams that are dumb, not you. Definately not
you.
Andy
| |
|
| Why are we all so hostile towards each other? Looks like a battle of
wits with all the big words being used. We don't give a shit how clever
your responce is to a post. Where are the technical questions and
answers for those of use who need it.
Everyone a little sour because we are not experiencing 20% increases
like we did for years? Role with the punches, diversify your skills.
Entirely to much bickering in these groups.
I say this in a nice way, and this is targeted towards other post also,
stop the crying.
A voice from the elementary crowd, but probably more successful because
im humble. Im the dumbest one in this group, lets leave it at that.
Andy Foster wrote:
> "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lP2Pa.14892$Tx.696118@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>>Ok lets try this again so the elementary school crowd can understand:
>>
>
>
> Your inability to compose a coherent post != my inability to comprehend a
> coherent post
>
>
>>MS Exams = bull shit
>>Knowledge learned studying or working towards MS Exams = Good
>>
>
>
> Yeah, you're right, it's the exams that are dumb, not you. Definately not
> you.
>
> Andy
>
>
| |
| Techie 2003-07-11, 7:26 am |
| Nothing wrong with the composition of the post, its just your ability to
read English that is lacking.
Now as for the exams themselves, come on do you really think they are a
valid determination of ability and knowledge? When there are so many people
getting these certifications via only reading testkings something is wrong,
unfortunately this will never fully be addressed by MS because certification
is a major cash cow for them. Every exam should be two parts, one part
theory and one hands on to show ability until that happens the papers will
continue to mean less and less.
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"Andy Foster" <Firstname@FirstnameLastname.com> wrote in message
news:3RePa.219$Oq6.13@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
> "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lP2Pa.14892$Tx.696118@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > Ok lets try this again so the elementary school crowd can understand:
> >
>
> Your inability to compose a coherent post != my inability to comprehend a
> coherent post
>
> > MS Exams = bull shit
> > Knowledge learned studying or working towards MS Exams = Good
> >
>
> Yeah, you're right, it's the exams that are dumb, not you. Definately not
> you.
>
> Andy
>
>
| |
| Delbert Matlock 2003-07-11, 1:25 pm |
| Adam Leinss <aleinss@toughguy.net> wrote in message news:< Xns93B08CC27DAFaleinsstoughguy
net@toughguy.net>...
> Has anyone went the self study route or suggestions for doing so? I'm
> working right now, but want to better myself. The company I work for
> has agreed to pick up some of the tab. The problem is that this
> community college offering the MCSE certficate has to have the
> confusing offering ever. They list courses you need for the degree,
> but they don't appear in the schedule of classes! And now the person
> in charge of this program tells me these classes are almost full, yet
> I cannot register for them until July 15th!!! I'm getting a bit tired
> of this cat & mouse game and I'm thinking of just getting books for
> each course and doing a self-study. I have 3 PCs right now: one XP
> box, one 2000 server box and one dual-boot 9x/2000 box, so I think I
> have a pretty good test environment right here at home.
I went with Self Study last year to get two certifications from
CompTIA, three from Microsoft, and one from Cisco. My feelings are
that this is a far better way to go than classroom study for most
people who have enough self discpipline to sit down and study.
All of my study was done using the Sybex books. They worked well for
me, but your mileage may vary. It is a matter of finding a writing
style which works for you. With Sybex, they maintain a consistency in
style across different platforms.
With three machines you'll be in good shape for a study lab. Just be
prepared to reformat one or two of them to load a server OS. When I
was studying some of the more advanced topics for my MCSE such as
Active Directory, some of the scenarios required two servers talking
together.
You didn't mention if you planned to go for an MCSE on Windows 2000 or
on Windows Server 2003. If you are just starting out, you might want
to go after the MCSE on 2003. The problem here is that the study
materials are just starting to come out. Many publishers won't have
titles out until late this fall. STill, that doesn't have to stop
you. You can work on your client OS (Win2K or WinXP) now since those
tests have been available for a while. Take a look here for some
possible book titles:
http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-210.html (Win2K)
http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-270.html (WinXP)
Passing the test for a client OS will get you MCP status and give you
a feel for how the testing works. After this you can stark moving
forward towards an MCSA and/or MCSE on either platform.
For more information on the certification tracks for Windows 2000 and
Windows Server 2003, take a look at these links:
http://www.selfstudycerts.com/cert/.../mcse-2000.html
http://www.selfstudycerts.com/cert/.../mcse-2003.html
> I also think it's a waste to blow $6000 on TechSkills when all they do
> is give you some CBTs and lab time.
I agree in full.
Good luck!
-- Delbert Matlock
-- MCSE, MCSA, MCDBA, CCNA, Network+, A+
-- http://www.SelfStudyCerts.com/
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