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| Maynard 2003-06-26, 5:25 pm |
| A lot of links to show why you lost your job or why you are going to lose
it.
http://www.cwalocal4250.org/outsourcing/
Don't think for a second that 'things are going to improve'. The offshoring
machine is just cranking up and getting faster. The loss of IT jobs and
other areas are going to have a major impact on the American economy. It is
not only America but England and Australia that are already feeling the
effects.
So whether you are an MCSE, Oracle DBA, mortgage broker, project manager,
your job can easily be replaced by someone in India or someone from India
coming over here on a L1 or HB1 visa. If they don't get your job they will
get someone you know and the fact that they will work for a third of the
money will impact you when it comes time for a raise. Rather, you could
easily be asked to take a pay cut.
If this concerns you, please email to those that you know. The media seems
to be ignoring this and reporting Laci Peterson information instead.
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| "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:vvJKa.44122$uK1.25616@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> A lot of links to show why you lost your job or why you are going to lose
> it.
I'm very passionate about this topic, but no one outside the industry seems
to care. The politicians don't.
After a long and lucrative career in IT, I lost work two years ago and was
never able to find it again. So now I am back in college getting a business
degree and after I graduate I have no idea what I will do. Maybe I will
move to India to manage a call center. :|
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| Maynard 2003-06-26, 11:24 pm |
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"Bob" <bob@bobber.com> wrote in message
news:SkOKa.153317$cm4.3243850@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:vvJKa.44122$uK1.25616@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > A lot of links to show why you lost your job or why you are going to
lose
> > it.
>
> I'm very passionate about this topic, but no one outside the industry
seems
> to care. The politicians don't.
>
> After a long and lucrative career in IT, I lost work two years ago and was
> never able to find it again. So now I am back in college getting a
business
> degree and after I graduate I have no idea what I will do. Maybe I will
> move to India to manage a call center. :|
>
You'll find that the overall attitude of those underway in their MCSE
certification will tend to ignore this. The feeling that 'it'll get better'
overrides any acceptance of the truth.
When they don't find positions to apply for or when they get interviews and
compete with hundreds of other then maybe they'll wake up to what offshoring
is doing.
An easy way to look at this is that every large office building you see is
equal to a production factory of the 70s. Those millworkers lost their jobs
and the damage was sad to read about but confined to local areas such as
mill towns. Many stand today as monuments to how bad things can get.
With India taking deskjobs, the damage will be spread all over the country.
Salaries will go down as you are competing with a country for a position.
Since the people in India will work for much less and longer hours, the 40
hour work week will be long gone. Of course few in IT had a 40 hour work
week.
The loss of income tax and spending power will greatly impact the economy
and keep dragging it down until we'll so desperate that we'll start taking
jobs from India. The downward spiral has begun and is accelerating.
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| Mick Fly 2003-06-26, 11:24 pm |
| I can understand why this happens when foreign companies can produce the
same products or services more cheaply due to cheaper labor, and (what
follows next REALLY sickens me) - subsidization of production and salary
expenses of the foreign company by its own government. How the hell do you
compete with that in this country? Rhetorical question I guess. Do you
think the US would ever begin subsidizing companies to keep them operating
in this country and employing US citizens, if the 'giant sucking sound' of
jobs being exported really f*cks the ecomony? I am no economist and don't
understand the philosophy or intricacies of NAFTA.
Nevertheless I still believe that some of us Americans in IT with
*exceptional* technical skills will still do fine, but not attain the 6
figure salaries they were striving for. Who knows... I can't worry about
it because I have NO CONTROL over it. Maybe becoming an instructor in an IT
training company is an option?
McFly
"Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:_IOKa.49949$uK1.4047@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> "Bob" <bob@bobber.com> wrote in message
> news:SkOKa.153317$cm4.3243850@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> > news:vvJKa.44122$uK1.25616@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > A lot of links to show why you lost your job or why you are going to
> lose
> > > it.
> >
> > I'm very passionate about this topic, but no one outside the industry
> seems
> > to care. The politicians don't.
> >
> > After a long and lucrative career in IT, I lost work two years ago and
was
> > never able to find it again. So now I am back in college getting a
> business
> > degree and after I graduate I have no idea what I will do. Maybe I will
> > move to India to manage a call center. :|
> >
>
> You'll find that the overall attitude of those underway in their MCSE
> certification will tend to ignore this. The feeling that 'it'll get
better'
> overrides any acceptance of the truth.
> When they don't find positions to apply for or when they get interviews
and
> compete with hundreds of other then maybe they'll wake up to what
offshoring
> is doing.
>
> An easy way to look at this is that every large office building you see is
> equal to a production factory of the 70s. Those millworkers lost their
jobs
> and the damage was sad to read about but confined to local areas such as
> mill towns. Many stand today as monuments to how bad things can get.
> With India taking deskjobs, the damage will be spread all over the
country.
> Salaries will go down as you are competing with a country for a position.
> Since the people in India will work for much less and longer hours, the 40
> hour work week will be long gone. Of course few in IT had a 40 hour work
> week.
>
> The loss of income tax and spending power will greatly impact the economy
> and keep dragging it down until we'll so desperate that we'll start taking
> jobs from India. The downward spiral has begun and is accelerating.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Maynard 2003-06-27, 12:24 am |
| It is not NAFTA but the fact that we now have a huge pool of people in India
that are just as educated if not more and can easily take over many kinds of
desk jobs.
Ever seen document imaging? You can scan hundreds of documents per minute
and have the across the web and on the display screen of someone in India.
With a little accent tuning, you would not know that you are not dealing
with someone in America over a credit card or insurance issue.
The result will be a fast spiral downward of all kinds of salaries. You'll
take less money to protect your money. Too bad if you have a large mortgage
and two SUVs in the driveway. You'll also be working longer hours for less
money.
The downward spiral will only slow when we approach the kind of money they
make in India unless the government steps in. The problem is our country is
not geared for people making that low of an average salary.
It's going to be painful and its already well underway. You'll be hearing
more about it when people you know come home one day finding out about
offshoring the hard way when their jobs were eliminated. But then it is too
late to do anything.
Meanwhile let's turn our attention to more important issues such as Laci
Peterson and the woman who drove home with the guy in her windshield. I mean
don't worry as 7-11 is always hiring if the worse thing happend.
"Mick Fly" <mcfly@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ftPKa.248937$VP.50485116@twister.neo.rr.com...
> I can understand why this happens when foreign companies can produce the
> same products or services more cheaply due to cheaper labor, and (what
> follows next REALLY sickens me) - subsidization of production and salary
> expenses of the foreign company by its own government. How the hell do
you
> compete with that in this country? Rhetorical question I guess. Do you
> think the US would ever begin subsidizing companies to keep them operating
> in this country and employing US citizens, if the 'giant sucking sound' of
> jobs being exported really f*cks the ecomony? I am no economist and don't
> understand the philosophy or intricacies of NAFTA.
>
> Nevertheless I still believe that some of us Americans in IT with
> *exceptional* technical skills will still do fine, but not attain the 6
> figure salaries they were striving for. Who knows... I can't worry about
> it because I have NO CONTROL over it. Maybe becoming an instructor in an
IT
> training company is an option?
>
> McFly
>
> "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:_IOKa.49949$uK1.4047@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> >
> > "Bob" <bob@bobber.com> wrote in message
> > news:SkOKa.153317$cm4.3243850@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > > "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> > > news:vvJKa.44122$uK1.25616@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > > A lot of links to show why you lost your job or why you are going to
> > lose
> > > > it.
> > >
> > > I'm very passionate about this topic, but no one outside the industry
> > seems
> > > to care. The politicians don't.
> > >
> > > After a long and lucrative career in IT, I lost work two years ago and
> was
> > > never able to find it again. So now I am back in college getting a
> > business
> > > degree and after I graduate I have no idea what I will do. Maybe I
will[
color=darkred]
> > > move to India to manage a call center. :|
> > >
> >
> > You'll find that the overall attitude of those underway in their MCSE
> > certification will tend to ignore this. The feeling that 'it'll get
> better'
> > overrides any acceptance of the truth.
> > When they don't find positions to apply for or when they get interviews
> and
> > compete with hundreds of other then maybe they'll wake up to what
> offshoring
> > is doing.
> >
> > An easy way to look at this is that every large office building you see[/color]
is
> > equal to a production factory of the 70s. Those millworkers lost their
> jobs
> > and the damage was sad to read about but confined to local areas such as
> > mill towns. Many stand today as monuments to how bad things can get.
> > With India taking deskjobs, the damage will be spread all over the
> country.
> > Salaries will go down as you are competing with a country for a
position.
> > Since the people in India will work for much less and longer hours, the
40
> > hour work week will be long gone. Of course few in IT had a 40 hour work
> > week.
> >
> > The loss of income tax and spending power will greatly impact the
economy
> > and keep dragging it down until we'll so desperate that we'll start
taking
> > jobs from India. The downward spiral has begun and is accelerating.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| kyfunguy 2003-06-27, 7:25 am |
| I said this before, I'll say it again.... until laws are passed that force
companies to share the wealth with all company employees, this trend is
going to continue. Not only in the IT sector, but a whole host of jobs. It's
time the average American worker woke up to the fact that greedy coproations
care only about the bottom line, and not much else. As I said before, I'm
NOT a bleeding-heart liberal, but enough is enough. Way too many jobs have
been lost to cheap overseas workers, who have little or no benifits, no
regulations to protect them. Unlike many of these contries, we have the
power of the vote.... make the next two elections count. Vote for people who
care about Americans first. It may be time to abandon the two leading
parties... and seek out AVERAGE Americans.
| |
|
| "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> The loss of income tax and spending power will greatly impact the economy
> and keep dragging it down until we'll so desperate that we'll start taking
> jobs from India. The downward spiral has begun and is accelerating.
Well, whatever the reasons, I am sad to seen what was a great and fun career
come to an end. I'm gearing up for another, non-IT, career, and I am never
going to look back. I do feel bad for people who are pursuing heavily these
worthless certifications. The truth about their futures in this industry
will soon become painfully apparent to them.
| |
| The Oracle 2003-06-27, 11:25 am |
| Well said.
However, this is simple economics in action. People in India, like you say,
are harder working, better educated and more commited to their job than
their Western counterpart. Who can blame a business for moving operations?
And don't say they are expoiting the Indian people either. Those guys are
paid VERY well compared to others in India.
I say good luck to those companies.
"Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:RCPKa.17736$lT4.5333@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> It is not NAFTA but the fact that we now have a huge pool of people in
India
> that are just as educated if not more and can easily take over many kinds
of
> desk jobs.
> Ever seen document imaging? You can scan hundreds of documents per minute
> and have the across the web and on the display screen of someone in India.
> With a little accent tuning, you would not know that you are not dealing
> with someone in America over a credit card or insurance issue.
>
> The result will be a fast spiral downward of all kinds of salaries. You'll
> take less money to protect your money. Too bad if you have a large
mortgage
> and two SUVs in the driveway. You'll also be working longer hours for less
> money.
>
> The downward spiral will only slow when we approach the kind of money they
> make in India unless the government steps in. The problem is our country
is
> not geared for people making that low of an average salary.
>
> It's going to be painful and its already well underway. You'll be hearing
> more about it when people you know come home one day finding out about
> offshoring the hard way when their jobs were eliminated. But then it is
too
> late to do anything.
>
> Meanwhile let's turn our attention to more important issues such as Laci
> Peterson and the woman who drove home with the guy in her windshield. I
mean
> don't worry as 7-11 is always hiring if the worse thing happend.
>
>
>
>
> "Mick Fly" <mcfly@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:ftPKa.248937$VP.50485116@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > I can understand why this happens when foreign companies can produce the
> > same products or services more cheaply due to cheaper labor, and (what
> > follows next REALLY sickens me) - subsidization of production and salary
> > expenses of the foreign company by its own government. How the hell do
> you
> > compete with that in this country? Rhetorical question I guess. Do you
> > think the US would ever begin subsidizing companies to keep them
operating
> > in this country and employing US citizens, if the 'giant sucking sound'
of
> > jobs being exported really f*cks the ecomony? I am no economist and
don't
> > understand the philosophy or intricacies of NAFTA.
> >
> > Nevertheless I still believe that some of us Americans in IT with
> > *exceptional* technical skills will still do fine, but not attain the 6
> > figure salaries they were striving for. Who knows... I can't worry
about
> > it because I have NO CONTROL over it. Maybe becoming an instructor in
an
> IT
> > training company is an option?
> >
> > McFly
> >
> > "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> > news:_IOKa.49949$uK1.4047@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > >
> > > "Bob" <bob@bobber.com> wrote in message
> > > news:SkOKa.153317$cm4.3243850@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > > > "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> > > > news:vvJKa.44122$uK1.25616@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > > > A lot of links to show why you lost your job or why you are going
to[co
lor=darkred]
> > > lose
> > > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > I'm very passionate about this topic, but no one outside the[/color]
industry
> > > seems
> > > > to care. The politicians don't.
> > > >
> > > > After a long and lucrative career in IT, I lost work two years ago
and
> > was
> > > > never able to find it again. So now I am back in college getting a
> > > business
> > > > degree and after I graduate I have no idea what I will do. Maybe I
> will
> > > > move to India to manage a call center. :|
> > > >
> > >
> > > You'll find that the overall attitude of those underway in their MCSE
> > > certification will tend to ignore this. The feeling that 'it'll get
> > better'
> > > overrides any acceptance of the truth.
> > > When they don't find positions to apply for or when they get
interviews
> > and
> > > compete with hundreds of other then maybe they'll wake up to what
> > offshoring
> > > is doing.
> > >
> > > An easy way to look at this is that every large office building you
see
> is
> > > equal to a production factory of the 70s. Those millworkers lost their
> > jobs
> > > and the damage was sad to read about but confined to local areas such
as[co
lor=darkred]
> > > mill towns. Many stand today as monuments to how bad things can get.
> > > With India taking deskjobs, the damage will be spread all over the
> > country.
> > > Salaries will go down as you are competing with a country for a
> position.
> > > Since the people in India will work for much less and longer hours,[/color]
the
> 40
> > > hour work week will be long gone. Of course few in IT had a 40 hour
work[
color=darkred]
> > > week.
> > >
> > > The loss of income tax and spending power will greatly impact the
> economy
> > > and keep dragging it down until we'll so desperate that we'll start
> taking
> > > jobs from India. The downward spiral has begun and is accelerating.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>[/color]
| |
| robert tourangeau 2003-06-28, 7:24 am |
| The only value left in America is money to make bombs. So it is easy to
understand the purpose of outsourcing in America.
"Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> a écrit dans le message de
news:vvJKa.44122$uK1.25616@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> A lot of links to show why you lost your job or why you are going to lose
> it.
>
> http://www.cwalocal4250.org/outsourcing/
>
> Don't think for a second that 'things are going to improve'. The
offshoring
> machine is just cranking up and getting faster. The loss of IT jobs and
> other areas are going to have a major impact on the American economy. It
is
> not only America but England and Australia that are already feeling the
> effects.
>
> So whether you are an MCSE, Oracle DBA, mortgage broker, project manager,
> your job can easily be replaced by someone in India or someone from India
> coming over here on a L1 or HB1 visa. If they don't get your job they will
> get someone you know and the fact that they will work for a third of the
> money will impact you when it comes time for a raise. Rather, you could
> easily be asked to take a pay cut.
>
> If this concerns you, please email to those that you know. The media seems
> to be ignoring this and reporting Laci Peterson information instead.
>
>
>
>
>
| |
| Tolkien Reader 2003-06-28, 8:24 am |
| But wasn't it the 'bleeding hearts' who started this whole NAFTA thing in
the first place? Didn't Billy Bob Clinton keep the ball rolling along with
granting trade status to China and signing the labor agreements with India
in exchange for $$$$ ? The Dems took just as much campaign cash as the Reps
from businesses looking to cut costs and move those jobs. Pick up just
about anything in Lowes or Home Depot and it's 'Made in China' and yes, jobs
are moving out of the country way too fast. Nobody can seem to realize that
the middle class in this country is an endangered species and that the
segment that pays over 90% of the annual taxes in this country will soon be
a memory. Legally you can't stop countries from outsourcing oversees but we
should try to stop the H1B foolishness. It's too bad that the media ignores
this and will continue to ignore it until the job losses become a crises by
which time it will be too late to do anything about it.
I'll be quiet now.
"kyfunguy" <kyfunguy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YzWKa.2$a_6.6819@news.uswest.net...
> I said this before, I'll say it again.... until laws are passed that force
> companies to share the wealth with all company employees, this trend is
> going to continue. Not only in the IT sector, but a whole host of jobs.
It's
> time the average American worker woke up to the fact that greedy
coproations
> care only about the bottom line, and not much else. As I said before, I'm
> NOT a bleeding-heart liberal, but enough is enough. Way too many jobs have
> been lost to cheap overseas workers, who have little or no benifits, no
> regulations to protect them. Unlike many of these contries, we have the
> power of the vote.... make the next two elections count. Vote for people
who
> care about Americans first. It may be time to abandon the two leading
> parties... and seek out AVERAGE Americans.
>
>
| |
|
| The media will acknowledge the job losses as soon as their jobs are moved
offshore or their publications are printed in Mexico or somewhere cheaper.
Human nature - look after #1.
--
RussS
MCP W2K Pro & Server, A+, Net+
http://www.techexams.net/
| |
| Ekrazzman 2003-06-30, 12:25 pm |
| <<People in India, like you say,
are harder working, better educated and more commited to their job than
their Western counterpart.>>
Ignorant or racist or both? If the people of India are smarter why do they have
a caste system? Why do they murder their own children for dating outside their
caste?
Why do they send their children to US schools to be educated, which the
majority pledge to return to India and never do.
I have been to India and the hardest workers I saw were the beggers thousands
in every city. Any country that has millions of people born in the street, live
in the streets, and die in the streets is not what I consider a role model.
If you are so found of India maybe you should buy a one way ticket.
| |
| Netwerkz 2003-06-30, 5:25 pm |
| "Ekrazzman" <ekrazzman@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20030630125309.04144.00001949@mb-m28.news.cs.com...
> <<People in India, like you say,
> are harder working, better educated and more commited to their job than
> their Western counterpart.>>
>
> Ignorant or racist or both? If the people of India are smarter why do they
have
> a caste system? Why do they murder their own children for dating outside
their
> caste?
> Why do they send their children to US schools to be educated, which the
> majority pledge to return to India and never do.
> I have been to India and the hardest workers I saw were the beggers
thousands
> in every city. Any country that has millions of people born in the street,
live
> in the streets, and die in the streets is not what I consider a role
model.
> If you are so found of India maybe you should buy a one way ticket.
I am a spoiled American, and I wouldn't have it
any other way.
I like an 8 hour day / 5 day work week.
I like earning an above average salary.
I acknowledge the threat that anyone (not just
Indians) may be willing to work longer hours
for less money to be even more productive than
I am now.
I have a choice.
Become competitive or stop competing altogether.
The Internet is transforming many desk jobs or eliminating
them altgother. We knew changes were coming.
We didn't do enough to curb it.
I remember when Telephone Repairmen/ Installers
made good money ..... now? NOPE!
Just gotta adjust to changes in IT.
| |
| The Oracle 2003-07-02, 2:25 am |
| I have worked there too, at atomic reasearch centre in Bombay (BARC) for
nearly two years. I was also raised in Delhi since my father worked at the
British Embassy. So don't XXXXing tell me about India.
Sure India has poverty. However, that's not what we are talking about here
is it? America has poverty too. Indian people are extremely hard working
and in educated parts of major cities like Bombay, Madras, Calcutta and
Delhi there are many first rate people who are able to do this type of work.
I say again, economics is what prevails in this world. If these firms can
get the work done as well for less money then good for them. Idiots like
you ought to get real. In England they had people called Luddites in the
19th century who could not face up to the march of progress and smashed up
the new machinery to protect their jobs. Your attititude is exactly the
same - you cannot stop the march of technology and economics. What if this
was YOUR money? Would you pay ten times more just to have a feel good
feeling then your are helping some other Fellow American?
"Ekrazzman" <ekrazzman@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20030630125309.04144.00001949@mb-m28.news.cs.com...
> <<People in India, like you say,
> are harder working, better educated and more commited to their job than
> their Western counterpart.>>
>
> Ignorant or racist or both? If the people of India are smarter why do they
have
> a caste system? Why do they murder their own children for dating outside
their
> caste?
> Why do they send their children to US schools to be educated, which the
> majority pledge to return to India and never do.
> I have been to India and the hardest workers I saw were the beggers
thousands
> in every city. Any country that has millions of people born in the street,
live
> in the streets, and die in the streets is not what I consider a role
model.
> If you are so found of India maybe you should buy a one way ticket.
| |
| Ekrazzman 2003-07-02, 11:25 am |
| <<Idiots like
you ought to get real. In England they had people called Luddites in the
19th century who could not face up to the march of progress and smashed up
the new machinery to protect their jobs. Your attititude is exactly the
same - you cannot stop the march of technology and economics. What if this
was YOUR money? Would you pay ten times more just to have a feel good
feeling then your are helping some other Fellow American?>>
Stop the march of technology?.....and you call me an idiot? Did you think this
thread is about
the' march of technology' step away from the bong longfellow. This thread is
about multi-billion dollar corporations working in concert with the US
government to dump the US workers who made them what they are
for cheap labor in any dark corner of the world they can find poor people to
exploit.
This of course erodes our economy, our tax base, and is therefore an attack on
our way of life. It is not the same here as it is in the UK we are not
socialist, our lives are pay as you go.
We also do not want to turn into the UK.....that was the whole idea of kicking
your XXX and sending you home which we will be celebrating again in two days.
We still believe the Queen/King should go F themselves.
Your colony (India) sucks and so do you.
You keep sucking hind-tit it seems to suit you well.....how very brittish.
| |
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| I recall a march of progress of sorts that was being done by the Germans
a number of years ago and we stopped it as I am sure that England and
France will or damned well should remember. I have no problem with our
American companies outsourcing or moving their activities abroad. I
will simply tell you that I will no longer patronize any company that
does so.
Ray
The Oracle wrote:
> I have worked there too, at atomic reasearch centre in Bombay (BARC) for
> nearly two years. I was also raised in Delhi since my father worked at the
> British Embassy. So don't XXXXing tell me about India.
>
> Sure India has poverty. However, that's not what we are talking about here
> is it? America has poverty too. Indian people are extremely hard working
> and in educated parts of major cities like Bombay, Madras, Calcutta and
> Delhi there are many first rate people who are able to do this type of work.
> I say again, economics is what prevails in this world. If these firms can
> get the work done as well for less money then good for them. Idiots like
> you ought to get real. In England they had people called Luddites in the
> 19th century who could not face up to the march of progress and smashed up
> the new machinery to protect their jobs. Your attititude is exactly the
> same - you cannot stop the march of technology and economics. What if this
> was YOUR money? Would you pay ten times more just to have a feel good
> feeling then your are helping some other Fellow American?
>
> "Ekrazzman" <ekrazzman@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:20030630125309.04144.00001949@mb-m28.news.cs.com...
>
>><<People in India, like you say,
>>are harder working, better educated and more commited to their job than
>>their Western counterpart.>>
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>>Ignorant or racist or both? If the people of India are smarter why do they
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> have
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>>a caste system? Why do they murder their own children for dating outside
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> their
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>>caste?
>>Why do they send their children to US schools to be educated, which the
>>majority pledge to return to India and never do.
>>I have been to India and the hardest workers I saw were the beggers
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> thousands
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>>in every city. Any country that has millions of people born in the street,
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> live
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>>in the streets, and die in the streets is not what I consider a role
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> model.
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>>If you are so found of India maybe you should buy a one way ticket.
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