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Whats more valuable? MCSE, CCNP or CCIE
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| solaris8i 2003-06-18, 2:25 pm |
| Hey folks,
Just curious...I know there are thousands of MCSE out there (200,000+)
and a handful of CCNP and even a smaller amount of CCIE. What is more
valuable? Personally, I think a CCNP, especially a CCIE, is more
valuable than a MCSE.
Any thoughts?
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| Maynard 2003-06-18, 2:25 pm |
| Living in India beats them all at this point for job offerings.
"solaris8i" <solaris8i@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e4d390f3.0306181042.2bf002e6@posting.google.com...
> Hey folks,
>
> Just curious...I know there are thousands of MCSE out there (200,000+)
> and a handful of CCNP and even a smaller amount of CCIE. What is more
> valuable? Personally, I think a CCNP, especially a CCIE, is more
> valuable than a MCSE.
> Any thoughts?
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| Freeride 2003-06-19, 11:24 pm |
| On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:42:24 -0700, solaris8i wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Just curious...I know there are thousands of MCSE out there (200,000+)
> and a handful of CCNP and even a smaller amount of CCIE. What is more
> valuable? Personally, I think a CCNP, especially a CCIE, is more
> valuable than a MCSE.
> Any thoughts?
Experience working at McDonalds has more value that the MCSE cert. 
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| > Experience working at McDonalds has more value that the MCSE cert.
LOL - SOO FUNNY!!!
(not)
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| Bubbie 2003-06-21, 2:24 am |
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"McDonalds...?
Burger King, every time !
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| Yossarian 2003-06-24, 3:24 pm |
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"solaris8i" <solaris8i@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e4d390f3.0306181042.2bf002e6@posting.google.com...
> Hey folks,
>
> Just curious...I know there are thousands of MCSE out there (200,000+)
> and a handful of CCNP and even a smaller amount of CCIE. What is more
> valuable? Personally, I think a CCNP, especially a CCIE, is more
> valuable than a MCSE.
> Any thoughts?
A hotdog stand in Shanghai. You can sell them to software engineers rushing
off to work.
Yossarian
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| Mick Fly 2003-06-24, 11:24 pm |
| The CCIE exam is the Zen-daddy. It has both a written and a hands-on lab
requirement, both timed and VERY difficult. You need a lot of experience
and study to pass it, and if you can successfully do it, then I would say
you are indeed very knowledgeable and experienced with Cisco devices,
routing, switching, voice and WAN concepts, and able to pull down the heavy
bread. Most cats with that certification, and there aren't many, are your
higher level consultants.
CCNP is also very good. If Cisco was my gig I would want to prove myself by
getting this one under my belt, in addition to no less than 3-5 years of
constant experience with Cisco stuff, before even attempting the CCIE.
MSCE is good to have - although becoming less valuable I'm afraid - only as
an enhancement or supplement (not a substitute) for real world experience
with MS. Funny I started out a 'paper MCSE' back in '98 thinking I would
jump right in and make money. Ugh....No! It helped me get my foot in the
door in the beginning, at a very LOW salary doing PC break-fix, and then
learning all the network administration from there was just like starting
over - a painful process that took time. But I survived it, and see the
truth - there no getting anywhere without real world experience. And if you
REALLY want to be a valuable in the job market and make good jack, in my
opinion you should be strong and experienced in at least 2 products. The
certs do give you an edge over others with similar experience when it comes
time to do job interviews.
McFly
MCSE (NT4), MCSA-2K, CCNA, A+
"Yossarian" <yossarian@NoEmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "solaris8i" <solaris8i@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e4d390f3.0306181042.2bf002e6@posting.google.com...
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Just curious...I know there are thousands of MCSE out there (200,000+)
> > and a handful of CCNP and even a smaller amount of CCIE. What is more
> > valuable? Personally, I think a CCNP, especially a CCIE, is more
> > valuable than a MCSE.
> > Any thoughts?
>
> A hotdog stand in Shanghai. You can sell them to software engineers
rushing
> off to work.
>
>
> Yossarian
>
>
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| Yossarian 2003-06-25, 4:25 pm |
|
"Mick Fly" <mcfly@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:yO8Ka.235554$VP.49163541@twister.neo.rr.com...
> The CCIE exam is the Zen-daddy. It has both a written and a hands-on lab
> requirement, both timed and VERY difficult. You need a lot of experience
> and study to pass it, and if you can successfully do it, then I would say
> you are indeed very knowledgeable and experienced with Cisco devices,
> routing, switching, voice and WAN concepts, and able to pull down the
heavy
> bread. Most cats with that certification, and there aren't many, are your
> higher level consultants.
>
> CCNP is also very good. If Cisco was my gig I would want to prove myself
by
> getting this one under my belt, in addition to no less than 3-5 years of
> constant experience with Cisco stuff, before even attempting the CCIE.
>
> MSCE is good to have - although becoming less valuable I'm afraid - only
as
> an enhancement or supplement (not a substitute) for real world experience
> with MS. Funny I started out a 'paper MCSE' back in '98 thinking I would
> jump right in and make money. Ugh....No! It helped me get my foot in the
> door in the beginning, at a very LOW salary doing PC break-fix, and then
> learning all the network administration from there was just like starting
> over - a painful process that took time. But I survived it, and see the
> truth - there no getting anywhere without real world experience. And if
you
> REALLY want to be a valuable in the job market and make good jack, in my
> opinion you should be strong and experienced in at least 2 products. The
> certs do give you an edge over others with similar experience when it
comes
> time to do job interviews.
>
> McFly
> MCSE (NT4), MCSA-2K, CCNA, A+
>
CCNP sounds good, but I think I'll look at the Linux+ cert.
Yossarian
MCSE NT4(Why?!)
> "Yossarian" <yossarian@NoEmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%E1Ka.2659590$uT2.395831@news.easynews.com...
> >
> > "solaris8i" <solaris8i@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:e4d390f3.0306181042.2bf002e6@posting.google.com...
> > > Hey folks,
> > >
> > > Just curious...I know there are thousands of MCSE out there (200,000+)
> > > and a handful of CCNP and even a smaller amount of CCIE. What is more
> > > valuable? Personally, I think a CCNP, especially a CCIE, is more
> > > valuable than a MCSE.
> > > Any thoughts?
> >
> > A hotdog stand in Shanghai. You can sell them to software engineers
> rushing
> > off to work.
> >
> >
> > Yossarian
> >
> >
>
>
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| Yossarian 2003-06-25, 9:25 pm |
|
"Bubbie" <bubbie@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:TDTIa.702$nG4.270@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
>
> "McDonalds...?
>
> Burger King, every time !
>
>
I'd rather boil my loafers.
Yosaarian
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| Mick Fly 2003-06-25, 10:24 pm |
| I with ya on the Linux bit, I'm quite sick of MS, and when I finish my W2K
track I'll be very ill. I'm doing it anyway because I've worked with 2K so
much I might as well have the cert to go with the experience. I used to
work a lot with Cisco routers, VPN, PIX in my last job, but had to leave
that job due to heavy handed politics...awful.
Back to Linux... The LPI looks pretty cool and more in depth than L+.
Mcfly
"Yossarian" <yossarian@NoEmail.com> wrote in message
news:dioKa.2725668$YZ.415105@news.easynews.com...
>
> "Mick Fly" <mcfly@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:yO8Ka.235554$VP.49163541@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > The CCIE exam is the Zen-daddy. It has both a written and a hands-on
lab
> > requirement, both timed and VERY difficult. You need a lot of
experience
> > and study to pass it, and if you can successfully do it, then I would
say
> > you are indeed very knowledgeable and experienced with Cisco devices,
> > routing, switching, voice and WAN concepts, and able to pull down the
> heavy
> > bread. Most cats with that certification, and there aren't many, are
your
> > higher level consultants.
> >
> > CCNP is also very good. If Cisco was my gig I would want to prove
myself
> by
> > getting this one under my belt, in addition to no less than 3-5 years of
> > constant experience with Cisco stuff, before even attempting the CCIE.
> >
> > MSCE is good to have - although becoming less valuable I'm afraid - only
> as
> > an enhancement or supplement (not a substitute) for real world
experience
> > with MS. Funny I started out a 'paper MCSE' back in '98 thinking I
would
> > jump right in and make money. Ugh....No! It helped me get my foot in
the
> > door in the beginning, at a very LOW salary doing PC break-fix, and then
> > learning all the network administration from there was just like
starting
> > over - a painful process that took time. But I survived it, and see the
> > truth - there no getting anywhere without real world experience. And if
> you
> > REALLY want to be a valuable in the job market and make good jack, in my
> > opinion you should be strong and experienced in at least 2 products.
The
> > certs do give you an edge over others with similar experience when it
> comes
> > time to do job interviews.
> >
> > McFly
> > MCSE (NT4), MCSA-2K, CCNA, A+
> >
>
> CCNP sounds good, but I think I'll look at the Linux+ cert.
>
> Yossarian
>
> MCSE NT4(Why?!)
>
>
>
> > "Yossarian" <yossarian@NoEmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:%E1Ka.2659590$uT2.395831@news.easynews.com...
> > >
> > > "solaris8i" <solaris8i@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:e4d390f3.0306181042.2bf002e6@posting.google.com...
> > > > Hey folks,
> > > >
> > > > Just curious...I know there are thousands of MCSE out there
(200,000+)
> > > > and a handful of CCNP and even a smaller amount of CCIE. What is
more[
color=darkred]
> > > > valuable? Personally, I think a CCNP, especially a CCIE, is more
> > > > valuable than a MCSE.
> > > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > A hotdog stand in Shanghai. You can sell them to software engineers
> > rushing
> > > off to work.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yossarian
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>[/color]
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| Verizon 2003-06-26, 7:25 am |
| I've got my MCSE, MCSA and CCNA....however dont' feel the MS certs hold
their weight anymore.....heading down the Sun Solaris cert path
now.....theres
always room for unix atleast in my area (DC/VA).
"Mick Fly" <mcfly@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:32tKa.243620$VP.49734862@twister.neo.rr.com...
> I with ya on the Linux bit, I'm quite sick of MS, and when I finish my W2K
> track I'll be very ill. I'm doing it anyway because I've worked with 2K
so
> much I might as well have the cert to go with the experience. I used to
> work a lot with Cisco routers, VPN, PIX in my last job, but had to leave
> that job due to heavy handed politics...awful.
>
> Back to Linux... The LPI looks pretty cool and more in depth than L+.
>
> Mcfly
>
> "Yossarian" <yossarian@NoEmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dioKa.2725668$YZ.415105@news.easynews.com...
> >
> > "Mick Fly" <mcfly@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:yO8Ka.235554$VP.49163541@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > > The CCIE exam is the Zen-daddy. It has both a written and a hands-on
> lab
> > > requirement, both timed and VERY difficult. You need a lot of
> experience
> > > and study to pass it, and if you can successfully do it, then I would
> say
> > > you are indeed very knowledgeable and experienced with Cisco devices,
> > > routing, switching, voice and WAN concepts, and able to pull down the
> > heavy
> > > bread. Most cats with that certification, and there aren't many, are
> your
> > > higher level consultants.
> > >
> > > CCNP is also very good. If Cisco was my gig I would want to prove
> myself
> > by
> > > getting this one under my belt, in addition to no less than 3-5 years
of[co
lor=darkred]
> > > constant experience with Cisco stuff, before even attempting the CCIE.
> > >
> > > MSCE is good to have - although becoming less valuable I'm afraid -[/color]
only
> > as
> > > an enhancement or supplement (not a substitute) for real world
> experience
> > > with MS. Funny I started out a 'paper MCSE' back in '98 thinking I
> would
> > > jump right in and make money. Ugh....No! It helped me get my foot in
> the
> > > door in the beginning, at a very LOW salary doing PC break-fix, and
then[
color=darkred]
> > > learning all the network administration from there was just like
> starting
> > > over - a painful process that took time. But I survived it, and see[/color]
the[c
olor=darkred]
> > > truth - there no getting anywhere without real world experience. And[/color]
if
> > you
> > > REALLY want to be a valuable in the job market and make good jack, in
my[co
lor=darkred]
> > > opinion you should be strong and experienced in at least 2 products.
> The
> > > certs do give you an edge over others with similar experience when it
> > comes
> > > time to do job interviews.
> > >
> > > McFly
> > > MCSE (NT4), MCSA-2K, CCNA, A+
> > >
> >
> > CCNP sounds good, but I think I'll look at the Linux+ cert.
> >
> > Yossarian
> >
> > MCSE NT4(Why?!)
> >
> >
> >
> > > "Yossarian" <yossarian@NoEmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%E1Ka.2659590$uT2.395831@news.easynews.com...
> > > >
> > > > "solaris8i" <solaris8i@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:e4d390f3.0306181042.2bf002e6@posting.google.com...
> > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Just curious...I know there are thousands of MCSE out there
> (200,000+)
> > > > > and a handful of CCNP and even a smaller amount of CCIE. What is
> more
> > > > > valuable? Personally, I think a CCNP, especially a CCIE, is more
> > > > > valuable than a MCSE.
> > > > > Any thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > A hotdog stand in Shanghai. You can sell them to software engineers
> > > rushing
> > > > off to work.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yossarian
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>[/color]
| |
| solaris8i 2003-07-09, 3:25 pm |
| At least a college degree never expire :-)
With these certs. you have to renew every couple of years :-(
I say a college degree is the best investment and holds more
weight than an MCSE. Just my opinion.
"Verizon" <fred.branham@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<rSAKa.866$Ei4.29@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>...
> I've got my MCSE, MCSA and CCNA....however dont' feel the MS certs hold
> their weight anymore.....heading down the Sun Solaris cert path
> now.....theres
> always room for unix atleast in my area (DC/VA).
>
>
> "Mick Fly" <mcfly@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:32tKa.243620$VP.49734862@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > I with ya on the Linux bit, I'm quite sick of MS, and when I finish my W2K
> > track I'll be very ill. I'm doing it anyway because I've worked with 2K
> so
> > much I might as well have the cert to go with the experience. I used to
> > work a lot with Cisco routers, VPN, PIX in my last job, but had to leave
> > that job due to heavy handed politics...awful.
> >
> > Back to Linux... The LPI looks pretty cool and more in depth than L+.
> >
> > Mcfly
> >
> > "Yossarian" <yossarian@NoEmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:dioKa.2725668$YZ.415105@news.easynews.com...
> > >
> > > "Mick Fly" <mcfly@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > > news:yO8Ka.235554$VP.49163541@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > > > The CCIE exam is the Zen-daddy. It has both a written and a hands-on
> lab
> > > > requirement, both timed and VERY difficult. You need a lot of
> experience
> > > > and study to pass it, and if you can successfully do it, then I would
> say
> > > > you are indeed very knowledgeable and experienced with Cisco devices,
> > > > routing, switching, voice and WAN concepts, and able to pull down the
> heavy
> > > > bread. Most cats with that certification, and there aren't many, are
> your
> > > > higher level consultants.
> > > >
> > > > CCNP is also very good. If Cisco was my gig I would want to prove
> myself
> by
> > > > getting this one under my belt, in addition to no less than 3-5 years
> of
> > > > constant experience with Cisco stuff, before even attempting the CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > MSCE is good to have - although becoming less valuable I'm afraid -
> only
> as
> > > > an enhancement or supplement (not a substitute) for real world
> experience
> > > > with MS. Funny I started out a 'paper MCSE' back in '98 thinking I
> would
> > > > jump right in and make money. Ugh....No! It helped me get my foot in
> the
> > > > door in the beginning, at a very LOW salary doing PC break-fix, and
> then
> > > > learning all the network administration from there was just like
> starting
> > > > over - a painful process that took time. But I survived it, and see
> the
> > > > truth - there no getting anywhere without real world experience. And
> if
> you
> > > > REALLY want to be a valuable in the job market and make good jack, in
> my
> > > > opinion you should be strong and experienced in at least 2 products.
> The
> > > > certs do give you an edge over others with similar experience when it
> comes
> > > > time to do job interviews.
> > > >
> > > > McFly
> > > > MCSE (NT4), MCSA-2K, CCNA, A+
> > > >
> > >
> > > CCNP sounds good, but I think I'll look at the Linux+ cert.
> > >
> > > Yossarian
> > >
> > > MCSE NT4(Why?!)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > "Yossarian" <yossarian@NoEmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:%E1Ka.2659590$uT2.395831@news.easynews.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > "solaris8i" <solaris8i@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:e4d390f3.0306181042.2bf002e6@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just curious...I know there are thousands of MCSE out there
> (200,000+)
> > > > > > and a handful of CCNP and even a smaller amount of CCIE. What is
> more
> > > > > > valuable? Personally, I think a CCNP, especially a CCIE, is more
> > > > > > valuable than a MCSE.
> > > > > > Any thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > A hotdog stand in Shanghai. You can sell them to software engineers
> rushing
> > > > > off to work.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yossarian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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