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| Maynard 2003-06-18, 3:25 pm |
| The jobs are going offshore as fast as they can leaving a large glut of IT
people looking for work while trade schools are producing more MCSEs than
every will be needed. Companies are also sending other desk work to India
such as financial and clerical. One airline just sent three thousand
reservation phone positions to Manila. You've got a growing class of middle
income Americans that cannot get work at this point and the jobs they had
are long gone.
The foreclosure rate is going to be rising quick in some areas as people
abandon homes.
These trade agreements such as NAFTA have ensured that middle America will
be on the same level as a third world country in a few years. We'll have a
small ultra rich class served by the mass of well educated peons.
Still these idiots think this is merely a 'downturn' and the situation will
soon be improving. Yes, the economy is growing in some sections; just the
little problem that some sections such as IT are in a rapid decline that is
not going to turn around unless the government gets involved.
Of course I can just go get my A+ cerfication, shut up, and I'll soon have
a good paying secure job.
"AL UNIONMAN" <AL_THE_UNIONMAN@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e3522640.0306181018.51dee672@posting.google.com...
> Just read in Fortune magazine about the "out-shoring" of high paying
> informtion technology jobs being sent to India, as well as predictions
> about these and other technical know how jobs which are going to
> Russia, India, Phillipines and elsewhere. I surmise few if any of
> these IT workers are unionized, but no doubt the average Joe Blow
> American will be blame "high labor" costs as the boogeyman culprit.
>
> Enron and Worldcom finally....and I do mean *FINALLY* woke up a lot of
> Americans about corporate greed and irresponsibility, yet I doubt
> those lessons will be truely "learned" over the long haul. In a year
> or two the average American will be asking "*WHAT* Enron scandal?" All
> this talk about fat CEO pay being given to the top corporate managers
> as a method of "maintaining" good managers is alot of high pressure
> bullshit. I would be willing to pay high salaries to someone like Lee
> Iaccoca to save a company, not give staggering amounts of money and
> perks to managers to bankrupt a company. I recall my father bitching
> about "Iaccoca doesn't deserve that 3 million a year they are paying
> him! No man is worth that much!" But at least Iaccoca helped save
> Chrysler (along with sacrifices by the workers). Nowadays these greedy
> XXXXs are being paid 30, 40, 50 million and more then bankrupting the
> companies, screwing workers, investors and the communities as well.
>
> Right now, stock investors are still on the sidelines, waiting for the
> right time to "jump back in" to the market. They've been burned and
> are a bit leery about re-investing. This lack of trust in corporate
> America has thus hurt the country by not having enough money available
> to invest in new plant and machinery. Thanks to the crooked CEO pigs!
>
> Where is ScottZF (scottZF@dwave.net) been lately? Has he left the
> 'net?
| |
| Techie 2003-06-18, 3:25 pm |
| Maynard,
I agree with your comments regarding trade schools but on the rest you are
out to lunch.
Give me a break NAFTA has nothing to do with the job drain to India because
in case you don't know NAFTA stands for North American Free Trade Agreement
and the last time I checked my atlas India and the Philippines are not in
North America.
You say that the trade agreements like NAFTA are making middle class
Americans on the same level as a third world country, well as a Canadian
whose country is part of NAFTA and is definitely not third world, and whose
economy is outperforming the US (even despite the effects of SARS, Mad Cow,
and a rising dollar) I say shut up and get in touch with reality. Why don't
you realize that half the problem is the war on terror and its negative
impact on your economy, and its effect on the willingness of the average
American to spend which has always been the engine of the American economy.
Nobody says all of these unemployed IT people have to try and stay in the
field they could move to others, and in some cases these people are
unemployed because they are screw ups or graduates of the trade schools
holding on to false promises that separated them from there money.
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:eg3Ia.206$Re5.160@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com...
> The jobs are going offshore as fast as they can leaving a large glut of IT
> people looking for work while trade schools are producing more MCSEs than
> every will be needed. Companies are also sending other desk work to India
> such as financial and clerical. One airline just sent three thousand
> reservation phone positions to Manila. You've got a growing class of
middle
> income Americans that cannot get work at this point and the jobs they had
> are long gone.
> The foreclosure rate is going to be rising quick in some areas as people
> abandon homes.
>
> These trade agreements such as NAFTA have ensured that middle America will
> be on the same level as a third world country in a few years. We'll have a
> small ultra rich class served by the mass of well educated peons.
>
> Still these idiots think this is merely a 'downturn' and the situation
will
> soon be improving. Yes, the economy is growing in some sections; just the
> little problem that some sections such as IT are in a rapid decline that
is
> not going to turn around unless the government gets involved.
>
> Of course I can just go get my A+ cerfication, shut up, and I'll soon have
> a good paying secure job.
>
>
>
> "AL UNIONMAN" <AL_THE_UNIONMAN@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:e3522640.0306181018.51dee672@posting.google.com...
> > Just read in Fortune magazine about the "out-shoring" of high paying
> > informtion technology jobs being sent to India, as well as predictions
> > about these and other technical know how jobs which are going to
> > Russia, India, Phillipines and elsewhere. I surmise few if any of
> > these IT workers are unionized, but no doubt the average Joe Blow
> > American will be blame "high labor" costs as the boogeyman culprit.
> >
> > Enron and Worldcom finally....and I do mean *FINALLY* woke up a lot of
> > Americans about corporate greed and irresponsibility, yet I doubt
> > those lessons will be truely "learned" over the long haul. In a year
> > or two the average American will be asking "*WHAT* Enron scandal?" All
> > this talk about fat CEO pay being given to the top corporate managers
> > as a method of "maintaining" good managers is alot of high pressure
> > bullshit. I would be willing to pay high salaries to someone like Lee
> > Iaccoca to save a company, not give staggering amounts of money and
> > perks to managers to bankrupt a company. I recall my father bitching
> > about "Iaccoca doesn't deserve that 3 million a year they are paying
> > him! No man is worth that much!" But at least Iaccoca helped save
> > Chrysler (along with sacrifices by the workers). Nowadays these greedy
> > XXXXs are being paid 30, 40, 50 million and more then bankrupting the
> > companies, screwing workers, investors and the communities as well.
> >
> > Right now, stock investors are still on the sidelines, waiting for the
> > right time to "jump back in" to the market. They've been burned and
> > are a bit leery about re-investing. This lack of trust in corporate
> > America has thus hurt the country by not having enough money available
> > to invest in new plant and machinery. Thanks to the crooked CEO pigs!
> >
> > Where is ScottZF (scottZF@dwave.net) been lately? Has he left the
> > 'net?
>
>
>
| |
|
| agree with techie..
Maynard i can see you are in the process of job hunting and very annoyed
with your luck!! what are your qualicfications and experience?!? people in
this NG have posted so many times that there are plenty of jobs for those
*qualified* for the job.. if you feel like you have been beaten by those
*smart* dudes then why not consider to change your field? stop whining and
move on if you really want to make money and dont care about IT!
"Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VD3Ia.6309$5d.588472@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Maynard,
> I agree with your comments regarding trade schools but on the rest you are
> out to lunch.
>
> Give me a break NAFTA has nothing to do with the job drain to India
because
> in case you don't know NAFTA stands for North American Free Trade
Agreement
> and the last time I checked my atlas India and the Philippines are not in
> North America.
>
> You say that the trade agreements like NAFTA are making middle class
> Americans on the same level as a third world country, well as a Canadian
> whose country is part of NAFTA and is definitely not third world, and
whose
> economy is outperforming the US (even despite the effects of SARS, Mad
Cow,
> and a rising dollar) I say shut up and get in touch with reality. Why
don't
> you realize that half the problem is the war on terror and its negative
> impact on your economy, and its effect on the willingness of the average
> American to spend which has always been the engine of the American
economy.
>
> Nobody says all of these unemployed IT people have to try and stay in the
> field they could move to others, and in some cases these people are
> unemployed because they are screw ups or graduates of the trade schools
> holding on to false promises that separated them from there money.
> --
> Techie
> A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
>
> "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:eg3Ia.206$Re5.160@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > The jobs are going offshore as fast as they can leaving a large glut of
IT
> > people looking for work while trade schools are producing more MCSEs
than
> > every will be needed. Companies are also sending other desk work to
India
> > such as financial and clerical. One airline just sent three thousand
> > reservation phone positions to Manila. You've got a growing class of
> middle
> > income Americans that cannot get work at this point and the jobs they
had
> > are long gone.
> > The foreclosure rate is going to be rising quick in some areas as people
> > abandon homes.
> >
> > These trade agreements such as NAFTA have ensured that middle America
will
> > be on the same level as a third world country in a few years. We'll have
a
> > small ultra rich class served by the mass of well educated peons.
> >
> > Still these idiots think this is merely a 'downturn' and the situation
> will
> > soon be improving. Yes, the economy is growing in some sections; just
the
> > little problem that some sections such as IT are in a rapid decline that
> is
> > not going to turn around unless the government gets involved.
> >
> > Of course I can just go get my A+ cerfication, shut up, and I'll soon
have
> > a good paying secure job.
> >
> >
> >
> > "AL UNIONMAN" <AL_THE_UNIONMAN@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:e3522640.0306181018.51dee672@posting.google.com...
> > > Just read in Fortune magazine about the "out-shoring" of high paying
> > > informtion technology jobs being sent to India, as well as predictions
> > > about these and other technical know how jobs which are going to
> > > Russia, India, Phillipines and elsewhere. I surmise few if any of
> > > these IT workers are unionized, but no doubt the average Joe Blow
> > > American will be blame "high labor" costs as the boogeyman culprit.
> > >
> > > Enron and Worldcom finally....and I do mean *FINALLY* woke up a lot of
> > > Americans about corporate greed and irresponsibility, yet I doubt
> > > those lessons will be truely "learned" over the long haul. In a year
> > > or two the average American will be asking "*WHAT* Enron scandal?" All
> > > this talk about fat CEO pay being given to the top corporate managers
> > > as a method of "maintaining" good managers is alot of high pressure
> > > bullshit. I would be willing to pay high salaries to someone like Lee
> > > Iaccoca to save a company, not give staggering amounts of money and
> > > perks to managers to bankrupt a company. I recall my father bitching
> > > about "Iaccoca doesn't deserve that 3 million a year they are paying
> > > him! No man is worth that much!" But at least Iaccoca helped save
> > > Chrysler (along with sacrifices by the workers). Nowadays these greedy
> > > XXXXs are being paid 30, 40, 50 million and more then bankrupting the
> > > companies, screwing workers, investors and the communities as well.
> > >
> > > Right now, stock investors are still on the sidelines, waiting for the
> > > right time to "jump back in" to the market. They've been burned and
> > > are a bit leery about re-investing. This lack of trust in corporate
> > > America has thus hurt the country by not having enough money available
> > > to invest in new plant and machinery. Thanks to the crooked CEO pigs!
> > >
> > > Where is ScottZF (scottZF@dwave.net) been lately? Has he left the
> > > 'net?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| JETman 2003-06-18, 7:25 pm |
| All of you are missing the point.
The corporations are just following "American Ingenuity" in discovering
that they could have their IT and other help desk work done overseas
without paying the price of domestic employees. There art two driving
factors for this, one being the increase of profits and the other
retaining well trained and motivated workers.
Government has failed when it comes to maintaining a functioning public
education system and enacting legislation that provides a penalty for
exporting jobs whether they are manufacturing, high tech, or service
related. Until our politicians wake up, I do not see much hope for improvement.
JT
Smoi wrote:
>
> agree with techie..
>
> Maynard i can see you are in the process of job hunting and very annoyed
> with your luck!! what are your qualicfications and experience?!? people in
> this NG have posted so many times that there are plenty of jobs for those
> *qualified* for the job.. if you feel like you have been beaten by those
> *smart* dudes then why not consider to change your field? stop whining and
> move on if you really want to make money and dont care about IT!
>
> "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:VD3Ia.6309$5d.588472@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > Maynard,
> > I agree with your comments regarding trade schools but on the rest you are
> > out to lunch.
> >
> > Give me a break NAFTA has nothing to do with the job drain to India
> because
> > in case you don't know NAFTA stands for North American Free Trade
> Agreement
> > and the last time I checked my atlas India and the Philippines are not in
> > North America.
> >
> > You say that the trade agreements like NAFTA are making middle class
> > Americans on the same level as a third world country, well as a Canadian
> > whose country is part of NAFTA and is definitely not third world, and
> whose
> > economy is outperforming the US (even despite the effects of SARS, Mad
> Cow,
> > and a rising dollar) I say shut up and get in touch with reality. Why
> don't
> > you realize that half the problem is the war on terror and its negative
> > impact on your economy, and its effect on the willingness of the average
> > American to spend which has always been the engine of the American
> economy.
> >
> > Nobody says all of these unemployed IT people have to try and stay in the
> > field they could move to others, and in some cases these people are
> > unemployed because they are screw ups or graduates of the trade schools
> > holding on to false promises that separated them from there money.
> > --
> > Techie
> > A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
> >
> > "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> > news:eg3Ia.206$Re5.160@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > The jobs are going offshore as fast as they can leaving a large glut of
> IT
> > > people looking for work while trade schools are producing more MCSEs
> than
> > > every will be needed. Companies are also sending other desk work to
> India
> > > such as financial and clerical. One airline just sent three thousand
> > > reservation phone positions to Manila. You've got a growing class of
> > middle
> > > income Americans that cannot get work at this point and the jobs they
> had
> > > are long gone.
> > > The foreclosure rate is going to be rising quick in some areas as people
> > > abandon homes.
> > >
> > > These trade agreements such as NAFTA have ensured that middle America
> will
> > > be on the same level as a third world country in a few years. We'll have
> a
> > > small ultra rich class served by the mass of well educated peons.
> > >
> > > Still these idiots think this is merely a 'downturn' and the situation
> > will
> > > soon be improving. Yes, the economy is growing in some sections; just
> the
> > > little problem that some sections such as IT are in a rapid decline that
> > is
> > > not going to turn around unless the government gets involved.
> > >
> > > Of course I can just go get my A+ cerfication, shut up, and I'll soon
> have
> > > a good paying secure job.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "AL UNIONMAN" <AL_THE_UNIONMAN@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:e3522640.0306181018.51dee672@posting.google.com...
> > > > Just read in Fortune magazine about the "out-shoring" of high paying
> > > > informtion technology jobs being sent to India, as well as predictions
> > > > about these and other technical know how jobs which are going to
> > > > Russia, India, Phillipines and elsewhere. I surmise few if any of
> > > > these IT workers are unionized, but no doubt the average Joe Blow
> > > > American will be blame "high labor" costs as the boogeyman culprit.
> > > >
> > > > Enron and Worldcom finally....and I do mean *FINALLY* woke up a lot of
> > > > Americans about corporate greed and irresponsibility, yet I doubt
> > > > those lessons will be truely "learned" over the long haul. In a year
> > > > or two the average American will be asking "*WHAT* Enron scandal?" All
> > > > this talk about fat CEO pay being given to the top corporate managers
> > > > as a method of "maintaining" good managers is alot of high pressure
> > > > bullshit. I would be willing to pay high salaries to someone like Lee
> > > > Iaccoca to save a company, not give staggering amounts of money and
> > > > perks to managers to bankrupt a company. I recall my father bitching
> > > > about "Iaccoca doesn't deserve that 3 million a year they are paying
> > > > him! No man is worth that much!" But at least Iaccoca helped save
> > > > Chrysler (along with sacrifices by the workers). Nowadays these greedy
> > > > XXXXs are being paid 30, 40, 50 million and more then bankrupting the
> > > > companies, screwing workers, investors and the communities as well.
> > > >
> > > > Right now, stock investors are still on the sidelines, waiting for the
> > > > right time to "jump back in" to the market. They've been burned and
> > > > are a bit leery about re-investing. This lack of trust in corporate
> > > > America has thus hurt the country by not having enough money available
> > > > to invest in new plant and machinery. Thanks to the crooked CEO pigs!
> > > >
> > > > Where is ScottZF (scottZF@dwave.net) been lately? Has he left the
> > > > 'net?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
--
Regards,
JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......
| |
| robert tourangeau 2003-06-19, 3:25 pm |
| I'm proud to be a canadian when I read something like your comment.
"Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:VD3Ia.6309$5d.588472@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Maynard,
> I agree with your comments regarding trade schools but on the rest you are
> out to lunch.
>
> Give me a break NAFTA has nothing to do with the job drain to India
because
> in case you don't know NAFTA stands for North American Free Trade
Agreement
> and the last time I checked my atlas India and the Philippines are not in
> North America.
>
> You say that the trade agreements like NAFTA are making middle class
> Americans on the same level as a third world country, well as a Canadian
> whose country is part of NAFTA and is definitely not third world, and
whose
> economy is outperforming the US (even despite the effects of SARS, Mad
Cow,
> and a rising dollar) I say shut up and get in touch with reality. Why
don't
> you realize that half the problem is the war on terror and its negative
> impact on your economy, and its effect on the willingness of the average
> American to spend which has always been the engine of the American
economy.
>
> Nobody says all of these unemployed IT people have to try and stay in the
> field they could move to others, and in some cases these people are
> unemployed because they are screw ups or graduates of the trade schools
> holding on to false promises that separated them from there money.
> --
> Techie
> A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
>
> "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:eg3Ia.206$Re5.160@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > The jobs are going offshore as fast as they can leaving a large glut of
IT
> > people looking for work while trade schools are producing more MCSEs
than
> > every will be needed. Companies are also sending other desk work to
India
> > such as financial and clerical. One airline just sent three thousand
> > reservation phone positions to Manila. You've got a growing class of
> middle
> > income Americans that cannot get work at this point and the jobs they
had
> > are long gone.
> > The foreclosure rate is going to be rising quick in some areas as people
> > abandon homes.
> >
> > These trade agreements such as NAFTA have ensured that middle America
will
> > be on the same level as a third world country in a few years. We'll have
a
> > small ultra rich class served by the mass of well educated peons.
> >
> > Still these idiots think this is merely a 'downturn' and the situation
> will
> > soon be improving. Yes, the economy is growing in some sections; just
the
> > little problem that some sections such as IT are in a rapid decline that
> is
> > not going to turn around unless the government gets involved.
> >
> > Of course I can just go get my A+ cerfication, shut up, and I'll soon
have
> > a good paying secure job.
> >
> >
> >
> > "AL UNIONMAN" <AL_THE_UNIONMAN@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:e3522640.0306181018.51dee672@posting.google.com...
> > > Just read in Fortune magazine about the "out-shoring" of high paying
> > > informtion technology jobs being sent to India, as well as predictions
> > > about these and other technical know how jobs which are going to
> > > Russia, India, Phillipines and elsewhere. I surmise few if any of
> > > these IT workers are unionized, but no doubt the average Joe Blow
> > > American will be blame "high labor" costs as the boogeyman culprit.
> > >
> > > Enron and Worldcom finally....and I do mean *FINALLY* woke up a lot of
> > > Americans about corporate greed and irresponsibility, yet I doubt
> > > those lessons will be truely "learned" over the long haul. In a year
> > > or two the average American will be asking "*WHAT* Enron scandal?" All
> > > this talk about fat CEO pay being given to the top corporate managers
> > > as a method of "maintaining" good managers is alot of high pressure
> > > bullshit. I would be willing to pay high salaries to someone like Lee
> > > Iaccoca to save a company, not give staggering amounts of money and
> > > perks to managers to bankrupt a company. I recall my father bitching
> > > about "Iaccoca doesn't deserve that 3 million a year they are paying
> > > him! No man is worth that much!" But at least Iaccoca helped save
> > > Chrysler (along with sacrifices by the workers). Nowadays these greedy
> > > XXXXs are being paid 30, 40, 50 million and more then bankrupting the
> > > companies, screwing workers, investors and the communities as well.
> > >
> > > Right now, stock investors are still on the sidelines, waiting for the
> > > right time to "jump back in" to the market. They've been burned and
> > > are a bit leery about re-investing. This lack of trust in corporate
> > > America has thus hurt the country by not having enough money available
> > > to invest in new plant and machinery. Thanks to the crooked CEO pigs!
> > >
> > > Where is ScottZF (scottZF@dwave.net) been lately? Has he left the
> > > 'net?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Restic 2003-06-21, 7:25 am |
| Maybe if they stop purchasing so much Nortel equipment jobs will stay at
home.
| |
| Restic 2003-06-21, 7:25 am |
| What it jobs there is very little spending in the Computer and telephone
industry . With convergence and voice over IP there will be no distinction
in the field it will be simply data communication. whether voice,video or
plain old data . Whit i find with most so called IT persons is they all
believe they know it all. They will export your job no matter how smart you
think you are. It is cheaper, no benefits , no regulations cut throat
environment. The average help desk person in India makes about 300 US a
month .The question is when unemployment hits double digit who will be on
the line?
Look at the layoff stats in the computer telephone business you maybe next.
| |
| JasonW 2003-06-21, 8:24 pm |
| Doesn't help when your boss was a recent Ranger and a few of the staff are
guys that served with him.
-JasonW
"martin woodhead" <martin.woodhead1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:ZyWIa.5239$xF.257470@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
> Well the IT Manager who out sources my job better be able to hide
Amazing
> what a copy of soldier of fortune and some happy snaps form my last tour
do
>
> ever heard disgruntled former member of staff with military training
| |
| Yossarian 2003-06-25, 10:24 pm |
|
"martin woodhead" <martin.woodhead1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:ZyWIa.5239$xF.257470@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
> Well the IT Manager who out sources my job better be able to hide
Amazing
> what a copy of soldier of fortune and some happy snaps form my last tour
do
>
> ever heard disgruntled former member of staff with military training
Well, I think that disgruntled fellow needs to go further up the feeding
chain.
Yossarian
> "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:eg3Ia.206$Re5.160@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > The jobs are going offshore as fast as they can leaving a large glut of
IT
> > people looking for work while trade schools are producing more MCSEs
than
> > every will be needed. Companies are also sending other desk work to
India
> > such as financial and clerical. One airline just sent three thousand
> > reservation phone positions to Manila. You've got a growing class of
> middle
> > income Americans that cannot get work at this point and the jobs they
had
> > are long gone.
> > The foreclosure rate is going to be rising quick in some areas as people
> > abandon homes.
> >
> > These trade agreements such as NAFTA have ensured that middle America
will
> > be on the same level as a third world country in a few years. We'll have
a
> > small ultra rich class served by the mass of well educated peons.
> >
> > Still these idiots think this is merely a 'downturn' and the situation
> will
> > soon be improving. Yes, the economy is growing in some sections; just
the
> > little problem that some sections such as IT are in a rapid decline that
> is
> > not going to turn around unless the government gets involved.
> >
> > Of course I can just go get my A+ cerfication, shut up, and I'll soon
have
> > a good paying secure job.
> >
> >
> >
> > "AL UNIONMAN" <AL_THE_UNIONMAN@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:e3522640.0306181018.51dee672@posting.google.com...
> > > Just read in Fortune magazine about the "out-shoring" of high paying
> > > informtion technology jobs being sent to India, as well as predictions
> > > about these and other technical know how jobs which are going to
> > > Russia, India, Phillipines and elsewhere. I surmise few if any of
> > > these IT workers are unionized, but no doubt the average Joe Blow
> > > American will be blame "high labor" costs as the boogeyman culprit.
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> > > Enron and Worldcom finally....and I do mean *FINALLY* woke up a lot of
> > > Americans about corporate greed and irresponsibility, yet I doubt
> > > those lessons will be truely "learned" over the long haul. In a year
> > > or two the average American will be asking "*WHAT* Enron scandal?" All
> > > this talk about fat CEO pay being given to the top corporate managers
> > > as a method of "maintaining" good managers is alot of high pressure
> > > bullshit. I would be willing to pay high salaries to someone like Lee
> > > Iaccoca to save a company, not give staggering amounts of money and
> > > perks to managers to bankrupt a company. I recall my father bitching
> > > about "Iaccoca doesn't deserve that 3 million a year they are paying
> > > him! No man is worth that much!" But at least Iaccoca helped save
> > > Chrysler (along with sacrifices by the workers). Nowadays these greedy
> > > XXXXs are being paid 30, 40, 50 million and more then bankrupting the
> > > companies, screwing workers, investors and the communities as well.
> > >
> > > Right now, stock investors are still on the sidelines, waiting for the
> > > right time to "jump back in" to the market. They've been burned and
> > > are a bit leery about re-investing. This lack of trust in corporate
> > > America has thus hurt the country by not having enough money available
> > > to invest in new plant and machinery. Thanks to the crooked CEO pigs!
> > >
> > > Where is ScottZF (scottZF@dwave.net) been lately? Has he left the
> > > 'net?
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