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Don't keep a cluttered cubicle. Don't bring trinkets and pictures and stuff.
You see, sometimes they let you pack your stuff after you get terminated.
But when they do that, someone from HR is watching you like a hawk. People
are going by whispering as you try to prevent the tears from flowing.
If they don't like you, they pack your stuff for you and a someone from HR
gives it to you as you are going to be escorted to your vehicle.
If they really don't like you, they whack you over the phone and mail your
stuff to you.
Part of being an MCSE is learning to be laid-off with class like I always
do.
You're gonig to lose your job soon so start getting used to the idea.
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| whenindoubt 2003-06-16, 6:25 pm |
| Thanks for those words of wisdom Eddie. When I was "let go" it was my boss
who felt the pain. The entire department that remained took all of us who
were set free out to a 3 hour lunch. I took 1/2 a day to pack my stuff, and
my boss said "don't bother saving your data off your pc, just keep it".
Whoopee, a free pc! We get together for monthly card games. I tell them how
relaxing life is when you're unemployed. They XXXXX about all the extra work
they have to do. They now descibe their work environment as the morgue.
Every situation is different I guess.
whenindoubt
"Eddie" <asdasd@asdfasd.xcom> wrote in message
news:GCrHa.2976$Zc7.75@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> Don't keep a cluttered cubicle. Don't bring trinkets and pictures and
stuff.
>
> You see, sometimes they let you pack your stuff after you get terminated.
> But when they do that, someone from HR is watching you like a hawk. People
> are going by whispering as you try to prevent the tears from flowing.
>
> If they don't like you, they pack your stuff for you and a someone from HR
> gives it to you as you are going to be escorted to your vehicle.
>
> If they really don't like you, they whack you over the phone and mail your
> stuff to you.
>
> Part of being an MCSE is learning to be laid-off with class like I always
> do.
>
> You're gonig to lose your job soon so start getting used to the idea.
>
>
>
>
| |
| Techie 2003-06-16, 6:25 pm |
| how many times have you been laid off? And how many times in the last year
or two?
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"Eddie" <asdasd@asdfasd.xcom> wrote in message
news:GCrHa.2976$Zc7.75@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> Don't keep a cluttered cubicle. Don't bring trinkets and pictures and
stuff.
>
> You see, sometimes they let you pack your stuff after you get terminated.
> But when they do that, someone from HR is watching you like a hawk. People
> are going by whispering as you try to prevent the tears from flowing.
>
> If they don't like you, they pack your stuff for you and a someone from HR
> gives it to you as you are going to be escorted to your vehicle.
>
> If they really don't like you, they whack you over the phone and mail your
> stuff to you.
>
> Part of being an MCSE is learning to be laid-off with class like I always
> do.
>
> You're gonig to lose your job soon so start getting used to the idea.
>
>
>
| |
| Jeff Mead 2003-06-17, 5:24 am |
| May I ask, In what area of the country do you live in??? What state??? East
coast??? West coast??? I just want to know what areas of the country all of
the negitivity comes from... I am told on the east coast, job oppertunities
are popping up left and right... I look in the Philadelphia area everyday
and there are tons of jobs... granted, just being an MCSE isnt gonna make a
big splash but the IT positions are there....
"Eddie" <asdasd@asdfasd.xcom> wrote in message
news:GCrHa.2976$Zc7.75@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> Don't keep a cluttered cubicle. Don't bring trinkets and pictures and
stuff.
>
> You see, sometimes they let you pack your stuff after you get terminated.
> But when they do that, someone from HR is watching you like a hawk. People
> are going by whispering as you try to prevent the tears from flowing.
>
> If they don't like you, they pack your stuff for you and a someone from HR
> gives it to you as you are going to be escorted to your vehicle.
>
> If they really don't like you, they whack you over the phone and mail your
> stuff to you.
>
> Part of being an MCSE is learning to be laid-off with class like I always
> do.
>
> You're gonig to lose your job soon so start getting used to the idea.
>
>
>
| |
| Maynard 2003-06-17, 10:25 am |
| It's really not what part of the country but rather with such a huge glut of
IT people that companies can flush some that were being overpaid. Well, not
so much as 'overpaid' but rather cheaper labor can be obtained.
Example: you have an IT department that has one senior and two junior
tech/admins. All are from 35-40 and making from 40-60K a year. They take
care of business in the company for that area and do all IT related
functions. You fire all three of them, hire one newbie who has everything
needed on the resume and see how long that person will work 12-14 hour days.
When they burn out and quit you get another person as you have a large pool
to choose from.
And yes they are doing that as the above is a real example.
Since you have such a large pool of people looking for work, you can churn
positions and get better people. It is being done in other areas besides IT.
I just read an interview with a financial CEO bragging about cleaning house
and getting the best people on the market today.
So now helpdesk takes a degree, experience and certs when those
qualifications would make you an admin a while back.
Companies are churning in many areas right now. Don't see yourself as a
dedicated employee that the company values. Rather, if you are light on
experience or certs and heavy on salary, view yourself as an expensive and
wasteful resource soon to be replaced. Just because you are working at a
company and have been there for a while don't think they won't get rid of
you to get someone else for less money. Many make that mistake. Think of HR
this way: a broker watching an Excel spreadsheet with all positions and
salaries listed and comparing it to the current job market just waiting for
a better match to bring into the company. That is the job of HR - it means
HUMAN RESOURCES and you are nothing but a RESOURCE and as a RESOURCE you can
be replaced if something more efficient comes along.
Another way to think of it is 'musical chairs'. The overpaid (by today's
rates) techs are out of the game as the music stops. The more qualified
techs who will take less money are getting the seats. It's a painful
process, no doubt about it. I agree that many MCSES were overpaid and the
companies are not going to ask them to take salary cuts. Rather, the HR rep
will ask to see them.
So Jeff, go ahead an apply all you want. You're going to have to replace
another person at this point in the game. Don't feel bad about sitting in
their chair when the music stops. We'll just continue playing the game until
most MCSEs are under 30K a year.
"Jeff Mead" <jmcmesam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6_Kdnf4e6_5ofnOjXTWJhQ@co
mcast.com...
> May I ask, In what area of the country do you live in??? What state???
East
> coast??? West coast??? I just want to know what areas of the country all
of
> the negitivity comes from... I am told on the east coast, job
oppertunities
> are popping up left and right... I look in the Philadelphia area everyday
> and there are tons of jobs... granted, just being an MCSE isnt gonna make
a
> big splash but the IT positions are there....
> "Eddie" <asdasd@asdfasd.xcom> wrote in message
> news:GCrHa.2976$Zc7.75@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> >
> > Don't keep a cluttered cubicle. Don't bring trinkets and pictures and
> stuff.
> >
> > You see, sometimes they let you pack your stuff after you get
terminated.
> > But when they do that, someone from HR is watching you like a hawk.
People
> > are going by whispering as you try to prevent the tears from flowing.
> >
> > If they don't like you, they pack your stuff for you and a someone from
HR
> > gives it to you as you are going to be escorted to your vehicle.
> >
> > If they really don't like you, they whack you over the phone and mail
your
> > stuff to you.
> >
> > Part of being an MCSE is learning to be laid-off with class like I
always
> > do.
> >
> > You're gonig to lose your job soon so start getting used to the idea.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Ida Wanna 2003-06-17, 12:25 pm |
| And HR is still making their $60k.
"Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:J8GHa.11560$pi4.10687@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> It's really not what part of the country but rather with such a huge glut
of
> IT people that companies can flush some that were being overpaid. Well,
not
> so much as 'overpaid' but rather cheaper labor can be obtained.
> Example: you have an IT department that has one senior and two junior
> tech/admins. All are from 35-40 and making from 40-60K a year. They take
> care of business in the company for that area and do all IT related
> functions. You fire all three of them, hire one newbie who has everything
> needed on the resume and see how long that person will work 12-14 hour
days.
> When they burn out and quit you get another person as you have a large
pool
> to choose from.
> And yes they are doing that as the above is a real example.
>
> Since you have such a large pool of people looking for work, you can churn
> positions and get better people. It is being done in other areas besides
IT.
> I just read an interview with a financial CEO bragging about cleaning
house
> and getting the best people on the market today.
> So now helpdesk takes a degree, experience and certs when those
> qualifications would make you an admin a while back.
> Companies are churning in many areas right now. Don't see yourself as a
> dedicated employee that the company values. Rather, if you are light on
> experience or certs and heavy on salary, view yourself as an expensive and
> wasteful resource soon to be replaced. Just because you are working at a
> company and have been there for a while don't think they won't get rid of
> you to get someone else for less money. Many make that mistake. Think of
HR
> this way: a broker watching an Excel spreadsheet with all positions and
> salaries listed and comparing it to the current job market just waiting
for
> a better match to bring into the company. That is the job of HR - it means
> HUMAN RESOURCES and you are nothing but a RESOURCE and as a RESOURCE you
can
> be replaced if something more efficient comes along.
>
> Another way to think of it is 'musical chairs'. The overpaid (by today's
> rates) techs are out of the game as the music stops. The more qualified
> techs who will take less money are getting the seats. It's a painful
> process, no doubt about it. I agree that many MCSES were overpaid and the
> companies are not going to ask them to take salary cuts. Rather, the HR
rep
> will ask to see them.
>
> So Jeff, go ahead an apply all you want. You're going to have to replace
> another person at this point in the game. Don't feel bad about sitting in
> their chair when the music stops. We'll just continue playing the game
until
> most MCSEs are under 30K a year.
>
>
>
> "Jeff Mead" <jmcmesam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6_Kdnf4e6_5ofnOjXTWJhQ@co
mcast.com...
> > May I ask, In what area of the country do you live in??? What state???
> East
> > coast??? West coast??? I just want to know what areas of the country all
> of
> > the negitivity comes from... I am told on the east coast, job
> oppertunities
> > are popping up left and right... I look in the Philadelphia area
everyday
> > and there are tons of jobs... granted, just being an MCSE isnt gonna
make
> a
> > big splash but the IT positions are there....
> > "Eddie" <asdasd@asdfasd.xcom> wrote in message
> > news:GCrHa.2976$Zc7.75@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > >
> > > Don't keep a cluttered cubicle. Don't bring trinkets and pictures and
> > stuff.
> > >
> > > You see, sometimes they let you pack your stuff after you get
> terminated.
> > > But when they do that, someone from HR is watching you like a hawk.
> People
> > > are going by whispering as you try to prevent the tears from flowing.
> > >
> > > If they don't like you, they pack your stuff for you and a someone
from
> HR
> > > gives it to you as you are going to be escorted to your vehicle.
> > >
> > > If they really don't like you, they whack you over the phone and mail
> your
> > > stuff to you.
> > >
> > > Part of being an MCSE is learning to be laid-off with class like I
> always
> > > do.
> > >
> > > You're gonig to lose your job soon so start getting used to the idea.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
| |
| Techie 2003-06-17, 12:25 pm |
| well of course somebody has to manage the salary cuts and you don't expect
them to cut there own pay or positions do you?
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"Ida Wanna" <tim_mclean_jm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3eef45e2$0$34425$a0465688
@nnrp.fuse.net...
> And HR is still making their $60k.
> "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:J8GHa.11560$pi4.10687@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > It's really not what part of the country but rather with such a huge
glut
> of
> > IT people that companies can flush some that were being overpaid. Well,
> not
> > so much as 'overpaid' but rather cheaper labor can be obtained.
> > Example: you have an IT department that has one senior and two junior
> > tech/admins. All are from 35-40 and making from 40-60K a year. They take
> > care of business in the company for that area and do all IT related
> > functions. You fire all three of them, hire one newbie who has
everything
> > needed on the resume and see how long that person will work 12-14 hour
> days.
> > When they burn out and quit you get another person as you have a large
> pool
> > to choose from.
> > And yes they are doing that as the above is a real example.
> >
> > Since you have such a large pool of people looking for work, you can
churn
> > positions and get better people. It is being done in other areas besides
> IT.
> > I just read an interview with a financial CEO bragging about cleaning
> house
> > and getting the best people on the market today.
> > So now helpdesk takes a degree, experience and certs when those
> > qualifications would make you an admin a while back.
> > Companies are churning in many areas right now. Don't see yourself as a
> > dedicated employee that the company values. Rather, if you are light on
> > experience or certs and heavy on salary, view yourself as an expensive
and
> > wasteful resource soon to be replaced. Just because you are working at a
> > company and have been there for a while don't think they won't get rid
of
> > you to get someone else for less money. Many make that mistake. Think
of
> HR
> > this way: a broker watching an Excel spreadsheet with all positions and
> > salaries listed and comparing it to the current job market just waiting
> for
> > a better match to bring into the company. That is the job of HR - it
means
> > HUMAN RESOURCES and you are nothing but a RESOURCE and as a RESOURCE you
> can
> > be replaced if something more efficient comes along.
> >
> > Another way to think of it is 'musical chairs'. The overpaid (by today's
> > rates) techs are out of the game as the music stops. The more qualified
> > techs who will take less money are getting the seats. It's a painful
> > process, no doubt about it. I agree that many MCSES were overpaid and
the
> > companies are not going to ask them to take salary cuts. Rather, the HR
> rep
> > will ask to see them.
> >
> > So Jeff, go ahead an apply all you want. You're going to have to replace
> > another person at this point in the game. Don't feel bad about sitting
in
> > their chair when the music stops. We'll just continue playing the game
> until
> > most MCSEs are under 30K a year.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Mead" <jmcmesam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:6_Kdnf4e6_5ofnOjXTWJhQ@co
mcast.com...
> > > May I ask, In what area of the country do you live in??? What state???
> > East
> > > coast??? West coast??? I just want to know what areas of the country
all
> > of
> > > the negitivity comes from... I am told on the east coast, job
> > oppertunities
> > > are popping up left and right... I look in the Philadelphia area
> everyday
> > > and there are tons of jobs... granted, just being an MCSE isnt gonna
> make
> > a
> > > big splash but the IT positions are there....
> > > "Eddie" <asdasd@asdfasd.xcom> wrote in message
> > > news:GCrHa.2976$Zc7.75@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > >
> > > > Don't keep a cluttered cubicle. Don't bring trinkets and pictures
and[c
olor=darkred]
> > > stuff.
> > > >
> > > > You see, sometimes they let you pack your stuff after you get
> > terminated.
> > > > But when they do that, someone from HR is watching you like a hawk.
> > People
> > > > are going by whispering as you try to prevent the tears from[/color]
flowing. [colo
r=darkred]
> > > >
> > > > If they don't like you, they pack your stuff for you and a someone
> from
> > HR
> > > > gives it to you as you are going to be escorted to your vehicle.
> > > >
> > > > If they really don't like you, they whack you over the phone and[/color]
mail
> > your
> > > > stuff to you.
> > > >
> > > > Part of being an MCSE is learning to be laid-off with class like I
> > always
> > > > do.
> > > >
> > > > You're gonig to lose your job soon so start getting used to the
idea. [colo
r=darkred]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>[/color]
| |
| Jeff Mead 2003-06-17, 9:25 pm |
| You don't feel that experience and proof of hard work will prevail. When you
spend how ever many hours needed to make your mark individually... not only
what you know just by being an MCSE but by having the skills it takes to
know and run COMPANY X with company expectations. To not only educate
yourself with the business at hand but to further educate yourself and your
company with new technologies... I am a newly certified MCSE working my XXX
off to do the fantastic job that I do... Proving everyday to my employer
that I am worth every penny. And proving that I am willing to learn and
explore every aspect of IT and IS not only for my benefit but the benefit of
the company I work for... I know this in itself may sound like BULLSHIT but
this is my real life. I may be one of the lucky ones and no, I dont have a
crystal ball for the future... But I at least have a damn possitive attitude
and confidence in myself. GOOD SHIT CAN HAPPEN TOO...
"Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:J8GHa.11560$pi4.10687@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> It's really not what part of the country but rather with such a huge glut
of
> IT people that companies can flush some that were being overpaid. Well,
not
> so much as 'overpaid' but rather cheaper labor can be obtained.
> Example: you have an IT department that has one senior and two junior
> tech/admins. All are from 35-40 and making from 40-60K a year. They take
> care of business in the company for that area and do all IT related
> functions. You fire all three of them, hire one newbie who has everything
> needed on the resume and see how long that person will work 12-14 hour
days.
> When they burn out and quit you get another person as you have a large
pool
> to choose from.
> And yes they are doing that as the above is a real example.
>
> Since you have such a large pool of people looking for work, you can churn
> positions and get better people. It is being done in other areas besides
IT.
> I just read an interview with a financial CEO bragging about cleaning
house
> and getting the best people on the market today.
> So now helpdesk takes a degree, experience and certs when those
> qualifications would make you an admin a while back.
> Companies are churning in many areas right now. Don't see yourself as a
> dedicated employee that the company values. Rather, if you are light on
> experience or certs and heavy on salary, view yourself as an expensive and
> wasteful resource soon to be replaced. Just because you are working at a
> company and have been there for a while don't think they won't get rid of
> you to get someone else for less money. Many make that mistake. Think of
HR
> this way: a broker watching an Excel spreadsheet with all positions and
> salaries listed and comparing it to the current job market just waiting
for
> a better match to bring into the company. That is the job of HR - it means
> HUMAN RESOURCES and you are nothing but a RESOURCE and as a RESOURCE you
can
> be replaced if something more efficient comes along.
>
> Another way to think of it is 'musical chairs'. The overpaid (by today's
> rates) techs are out of the game as the music stops. The more qualified
> techs who will take less money are getting the seats. It's a painful
> process, no doubt about it. I agree that many MCSES were overpaid and the
> companies are not going to ask them to take salary cuts. Rather, the HR
rep
> will ask to see them.
>
> So Jeff, go ahead an apply all you want. You're going to have to replace
> another person at this point in the game. Don't feel bad about sitting in
> their chair when the music stops. We'll just continue playing the game
until
> most MCSEs are under 30K a year.
>
>
>
> "Jeff Mead" <jmcmesam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6_Kdnf4e6_5ofnOjXTWJhQ@co
mcast.com...
> > May I ask, In what area of the country do you live in??? What state???
> East
> > coast??? West coast??? I just want to know what areas of the country all
> of
> > the negitivity comes from... I am told on the east coast, job
> oppertunities
> > are popping up left and right... I look in the Philadelphia area
everyday
> > and there are tons of jobs... granted, just being an MCSE isnt gonna
make
> a
> > big splash but the IT positions are there....
> > "Eddie" <asdasd@asdfasd.xcom> wrote in message
> > news:GCrHa.2976$Zc7.75@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > >
> > > Don't keep a cluttered cubicle. Don't bring trinkets and pictures and
> > stuff.
> > >
> > > You see, sometimes they let you pack your stuff after you get
> terminated.
> > > But when they do that, someone from HR is watching you like a hawk.
> People
> > > are going by whispering as you try to prevent the tears from flowing.
> > >
> > > If they don't like you, they pack your stuff for you and a someone
from
> HR
> > > gives it to you as you are going to be escorted to your vehicle.
> > >
> > > If they really don't like you, they whack you over the phone and mail
> your
> > > stuff to you.
> > >
> > > Part of being an MCSE is learning to be laid-off with class like I
> always
> > > do.
> > >
> > > You're gonig to lose your job soon so start getting used to the idea.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
| |
| Techie 2003-06-17, 10:24 pm |
| yes, it can but at the moment in IT, stories like yours and mine are dwarfed
by the rough ride our fellow IT staffers are going through.
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"Jeff Mead" <jmcmesam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fxycnRJtAPtoXnKjXTWJkg@co
mcast.com...
> You don't feel that experience and proof of hard work will prevail. When
you
> spend how ever many hours needed to make your mark individually... not
only
> what you know just by being an MCSE but by having the skills it takes to
> know and run COMPANY X with company expectations. To not only educate
> yourself with the business at hand but to further educate yourself and
your
> company with new technologies... I am a newly certified MCSE working my
XXX
> off to do the fantastic job that I do... Proving everyday to my employer
> that I am worth every penny. And proving that I am willing to learn and
> explore every aspect of IT and IS not only for my benefit but the benefit
of
> the company I work for... I know this in itself may sound like BULLSHIT
but
> this is my real life. I may be one of the lucky ones and no, I dont have a
> crystal ball for the future... But I at least have a damn possitive
attitude
> and confidence in myself. GOOD SHIT CAN HAPPEN TOO...
>
>
> "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:J8GHa.11560$pi4.10687@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > It's really not what part of the country but rather with such a huge
glut
> of
> > IT people that companies can flush some that were being overpaid. Well,
> not
> > so much as 'overpaid' but rather cheaper labor can be obtained.
> > Example: you have an IT department that has one senior and two junior
> > tech/admins. All are from 35-40 and making from 40-60K a year. They take
> > care of business in the company for that area and do all IT related
> > functions. You fire all three of them, hire one newbie who has
everything
> > needed on the resume and see how long that person will work 12-14 hour
> days.
> > When they burn out and quit you get another person as you have a large
> pool
> > to choose from.
> > And yes they are doing that as the above is a real example.
> >
> > Since you have such a large pool of people looking for work, you can
churn
> > positions and get better people. It is being done in other areas besides
> IT.
> > I just read an interview with a financial CEO bragging about cleaning
> house
> > and getting the best people on the market today.
> > So now helpdesk takes a degree, experience and certs when those
> > qualifications would make you an admin a while back.
> > Companies are churning in many areas right now. Don't see yourself as a
> > dedicated employee that the company values. Rather, if you are light on
> > experience or certs and heavy on salary, view yourself as an expensive
and
> > wasteful resource soon to be replaced. Just because you are working at a
> > company and have been there for a while don't think they won't get rid
of
> > you to get someone else for less money. Many make that mistake. Think
of
> HR
> > this way: a broker watching an Excel spreadsheet with all positions and
> > salaries listed and comparing it to the current job market just waiting
> for
> > a better match to bring into the company. That is the job of HR - it
means
> > HUMAN RESOURCES and you are nothing but a RESOURCE and as a RESOURCE you
> can
> > be replaced if something more efficient comes along.
> >
> > Another way to think of it is 'musical chairs'. The overpaid (by today's
> > rates) techs are out of the game as the music stops. The more qualified
> > techs who will take less money are getting the seats. It's a painful
> > process, no doubt about it. I agree that many MCSES were overpaid and
the
> > companies are not going to ask them to take salary cuts. Rather, the HR
> rep
> > will ask to see them.
> >
> > So Jeff, go ahead an apply all you want. You're going to have to replace
> > another person at this point in the game. Don't feel bad about sitting
in
> > their chair when the music stops. We'll just continue playing the game
> until
> > most MCSEs are under 30K a year.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Mead" <jmcmesam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:6_Kdnf4e6_5ofnOjXTWJhQ@co
mcast.com...
> > > May I ask, In what area of the country do you live in??? What state???
> > East
> > > coast??? West coast??? I just want to know what areas of the country
all
> > of
> > > the negitivity comes from... I am told on the east coast, job
> > oppertunities
> > > are popping up left and right... I look in the Philadelphia area
> everyday
> > > and there are tons of jobs... granted, just being an MCSE isnt gonna
> make
> > a
> > > big splash but the IT positions are there....
> > > "Eddie" <asdasd@asdfasd.xcom> wrote in message
> > > news:GCrHa.2976$Zc7.75@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > >
> > > > Don't keep a cluttered cubicle. Don't bring trinkets and pictures
and[c
olor=darkred]
> > > stuff.
> > > >
> > > > You see, sometimes they let you pack your stuff after you get
> > terminated.
> > > > But when they do that, someone from HR is watching you like a hawk.
> > People
> > > > are going by whispering as you try to prevent the tears from[/color]
flowing. [colo
r=darkred]
> > > >
> > > > If they don't like you, they pack your stuff for you and a someone
> from
> > HR
> > > > gives it to you as you are going to be escorted to your vehicle.
> > > >
> > > > If they really don't like you, they whack you over the phone and[/color]
mail
> > your
> > > > stuff to you.
> > > >
> > > > Part of being an MCSE is learning to be laid-off with class like I
> > always
> > > > do.
> > > >
> > > > You're gonig to lose your job soon so start getting used to the
idea. [colo
r=darkred]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>[/color]
| |
| pheonix1t 2003-06-18, 1:25 am |
| Techie wrote:
> yes, it can but at the moment in IT, stories like yours and mine are dwarfed
> by the rough ride our fellow IT staffers are going through.
>
so...again, for the "new" people thinking about the IT field....why not
consider health care - be a registered nurse!
I've been very lucky in that I was laid off about 2 years ago but I went
independant. I work with my friends at an IT consulting firm that can
handle all the high end programming (custom ERP systems, data
warehousing...). I do have a pretty good education (BS in Info.
Systems, NYU) and I'm not limited to MS products - the high end of the
server market is Unix in case you didn't know. Most of the Wall Street
banks have their data-centers running only Unix or Linux with Java as
the preferred development language.
So, back to my point...I've been working at medical centers a lot
lately...they can't find enough registered nurses! They bring them in
from across the country, some even from Canada! There just aren't
enough. Everyone gets old, people live longer now...it doesn't take a
genius to figure it out!
For you young people just starting out, I'd strongly suggest looking at
being a registered nurse as a career. Today it's much better than this
MCSE stuff....and it looks like it will stay that way for many years to
come.
Good luck to all of you,
Oskar
| |
| Netwerkz 2003-06-18, 1:25 am |
| [snipped]
> For you young people just starting out, I'd strongly suggest looking at
> being a registered nurse as a career. Today it's much better than this
> MCSE stuff....and it looks like it will stay that way for many years to
> come.
>
> Good luck to all of you,
>
> Oskar
>
I couldn't agree more that the RN field is more secure
now than just about anything in the IT Field.
I work for a hospital as well, and I have not ruled out nursing
school.
One thing that worries me about this demand is that it will attract
people who really don't give a damn about being an RN. It's a
similar situation that happened in IT - it ended up full of people
who weren't really passionate about the job - only the money.
Dealing with someone's computer is one thing.
Dealing with someone's life should be left to the truly professional
people lovers and caregivers.
I pray the quality of healthcare doesn't get any worse.
ok.....having said all that, it's back to my CCNA/MCSE studies.
| |
|
| very good suggestion! but i dont know whether it really help everyone!
if you ask me, stop changing your carrier!! stick with one thing!
i know it is a bad period for IT people but hey it has to get better..thats
wat the researchers say.. i know you would be prolly thinking who wants to
listen to them... it is totally up to you.. your choice is wat matters..
think about the time and money you have spent on learning IT.. it is a lot
more when you have bachelor in IT plus money spent on certs.. you dont just
want to change to nurse! that is very stupid if you ask me.. just coz
plumbers and nurse get paid well, doesnt mean you have be one of them! where
is the passion?
i have seen so many people just take IT coz they see themselves as
millionaies in less than ten years time!! wrong move!!
i agree unix and linux are highly used in bank, but i have read in mags that
many companies are soon going to change their back-end systems to windows..
the reason coz many people access the information in those databases using
computers running Windows and support they get from MS!
wait for your turn, i'm sure you will get yours..
"pheonix1t" <890-98pheonix1t00@oiearthlink.890netlk2> wrote in message
news:YXSHa.1597$C83.125040@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Techie wrote:
> > yes, it can but at the moment in IT, stories like yours and mine are
dwarfed
> > by the rough ride our fellow IT staffers are going through.
> >
> so...again, for the "new" people thinking about the IT field....why not
> consider health care - be a registered nurse!
> I've been very lucky in that I was laid off about 2 years ago but I went
> independant. I work with my friends at an IT consulting firm that can
> handle all the high end programming (custom ERP systems, data
> warehousing...). I do have a pretty good education (BS in Info.
> Systems, NYU) and I'm not limited to MS products - the high end of the
> server market is Unix in case you didn't know. Most of the Wall Street
> banks have their data-centers running only Unix or Linux with Java as
> the preferred development language.
> So, back to my point...I've been working at medical centers a lot
> lately...they can't find enough registered nurses! They bring them in
> from across the country, some even from Canada! There just aren't
> enough. Everyone gets old, people live longer now...it doesn't take a
> genius to figure it out!
>
> For you young people just starting out, I'd strongly suggest looking at
> being a registered nurse as a career. Today it's much better than this
> MCSE stuff....and it looks like it will stay that way for many years to
> come.
>
>
> Good luck to all of you,
>
> Oskar
>
>
>
>
>
>
| |
| Ida Wanna 2003-06-18, 10:26 am |
| I also believe IT will turn around. If it takes 5 years, I want to have
that 5 years on my resume as IT work, building on my experience. Don't be a
wagoneer. If you're serious about IT and can afford the current salaries,
stick with it and ride it out, building on your exp. If you're not, maybe
other options are better. I seriously considered fast food management.
Taco Bell is hiring managers (I kid you not) at over $45k/yr plus bonuses in
my area. Hell, the Assistant Mgr positions pay more than me right now. If
you're in it for the $$$, there are other options. If you're in it for the
passion, hang in there.
"Smoi" <Smoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1055918190.814828@ns2.1earth.net...
> very good suggestion! but i dont know whether it really help everyone!
>
> if you ask me, stop changing your carrier!! stick with one thing!
> i know it is a bad period for IT people but hey it has to get
better..thats
> wat the researchers say.. i know you would be prolly thinking who wants to
> listen to them... it is totally up to you.. your choice is wat matters..
> think about the time and money you have spent on learning IT.. it is a lot
> more when you have bachelor in IT plus money spent on certs.. you dont
just
> want to change to nurse! that is very stupid if you ask me.. just coz
> plumbers and nurse get paid well, doesnt mean you have be one of them!
where
> is the passion?
> i have seen so many people just take IT coz they see themselves as
> millionaies in less than ten years time!! wrong move!!
> i agree unix and linux are highly used in bank, but i have read in mags
that
> many companies are soon going to change their back-end systems to
windows..
> the reason coz many people access the information in those databases
using
> computers running Windows and support they get from MS!
>
> wait for your turn, i'm sure you will get yours..
>
>
>
> "pheonix1t" <890-98pheonix1t00@oiearthlink.890netlk2> wrote in message
> news:YXSHa.1597$C83.125040@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > Techie wrote:
> > > yes, it can but at the moment in IT, stories like yours and mine are
> dwarfed
> > > by the rough ride our fellow IT staffers are going through.
> > >
> > so...again, for the "new" people thinking about the IT field....why not
> > consider health care - be a registered nurse!
> > I've been very lucky in that I was laid off about 2 years ago but I went
> > independant. I work with my friends at an IT consulting firm that can
> > handle all the high end programming (custom ERP systems, data
> > warehousing...). I do have a pretty good education (BS in Info.
> > Systems, NYU) and I'm not limited to MS products - the high end of the
> > server market is Unix in case you didn't know. Most of the Wall Street
> > banks have their data-centers running only Unix or Linux with Java as
> > the preferred development language.
> > So, back to my point...I've been working at medical centers a lot
> > lately...they can't find enough registered nurses! They bring them in
> > from across the country, some even from Canada! There just aren't
> > enough. Everyone gets old, people live longer now...it doesn't take a
> > genius to figure it out!
> >
> > For you young people just starting out, I'd strongly suggest looking at
> > being a registered nurse as a career. Today it's much better than this
> > MCSE stuff....and it looks like it will stay that way for many years to
> > come.
> >
> >
> > Good luck to all of you,
> >
> > Oskar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| pheonix1t 2003-06-18, 10:26 am |
| Smoi wrote:
> very good suggestion! but i dont know whether it really help everyone!
>
> if you ask me, stop changing your carrier!! stick with one thing!
> i know it is a bad period for IT people but hey it has to get better..thats
> wat the researchers say.. i know you would be prolly thinking who wants to
> listen to them... it is totally up to you.. your choice is wat matters..
> think about the time and money you have spent on learning IT.. it is a lot
> more when you have bachelor in IT plus money spent on certs.. you dont just
> want to change to nurse! that is very stupid if you ask me.. just coz
> plumbers and nurse get paid well, doesnt mean you have be one of them! where
> is the passion?
well..this is my point...this is meant for the "NEW" people that are
looking at what career path they want to choose. Hell, even for
experienced people who can't wait for the economy to pick up....do you
have any idea how many experienced IT people have no job, are laid off
for over a year, and went through their savings trying to survive? TOO
MANY! They can't afford to wait...they HAVE TO get something to put
food on the plate and pay the rent.
> i have seen so many people just take IT coz they see themselves as
> millionaies in less than ten years time!! wrong move!!
> i agree unix and linux are highly used in bank, but i have read in mags that
> many companies are soon going to change their back-end systems to windows..
> the reason coz many people access the information in those databases using
> computers running Windows and support they get from MS!
This seems to show a lack of understanding on your part of how databases
work. Most databases (except Microsoft, of course!) are independant of
the operating system. This means that it doesn't matter what operating
system you use, as long as you have the client installed you will
connect to that database. For example - oracle runs on a lot more
platforms than any MS database ever will. How do you think all the
different machines talk to the database? They use the oracle client!
And that's only if you want the communications that way. You can also
setup a portal using an application server (intranet or internet), then
the client doesn't need any client software at all, the client only
needs a web browser, usually one that supports Java....
Think of your banking site, you connect through SSL to be secure, but
all your data comes from a database...this is a type of portal.
A lot of ERP vendors are also moving to portals instead of the older
client/server setup.
Now these mags. you're reading aren't MS magazines are they? It would
seem like MS to take advantage of a lack of understanding by the general
public about how databases work and then try to use smoke and mirrors to
try to convince them that using MS databases works better because people
can access them better! The fact is, databases (oracle for example)
running on linux is very cost effective and provides a big alternative
to running a MS server with a MS database. Linux as a platform for
running a database costs much less $$ than MS products. The only good
reason to stay or use a MS database is if your application was made to
run ONLY on MS-SQL. Even then, it is possible to port the application,
but this costs money....so you have to analyse it. In some cases, it
makes sense because over the long run you'll save a lot of money in
licensing fees....in other cases it's not.
As far as the support that MS provides....been there, done that. It
SUCKS!! Ask any experienced IT person that has to make a living
supporting MS products and you'll get a similar story. In NYC, it's
gotten so bad that the MS user groups are actually "support" groups.
People email or call each other in the user groups to resolve MS
problems instead of calling MS support. The problems usually get
resolved faster, CORRECTLY, and it costs a lot less. Now to be fair,
this isn't just a problem with MS...a lot of big IT vendor's have
support that looks great on paper, but in real-life it's a head-ache.
This is a problem with management...they feel better about seeing the
big support contracts on paper but they aren't the ones that have to
deal with the vendors.....now this is a totally separate issue!
>
> wait for your turn, i'm sure you will get yours..
>
>
>
> "pheonix1t" <890-98pheonix1t00@oiearthlink.890netlk2> wrote in message
> news:YXSHa.1597$C83.125040@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
>>Techie wrote:
>>
>>>yes, it can but at the moment in IT, stories like yours and mine are
>
> dwarfed
>
>>>by the rough ride our fellow IT staffers are going through.
>>>
>>
>>so...again, for the "new" people thinking about the IT field....why not
>>consider health care - be a registered nurse!
>>I've been very lucky in that I was laid off about 2 years ago but I went
>>independant. I work with my friends at an IT consulting firm that can
>>handle all the high end programming (custom ERP systems, data
>>warehousing...). I do have a pretty good education (BS in Info.
>>Systems, NYU) and I'm not limited to MS products - the high end of the
>>server market is Unix in case you didn't know. Most of the Wall Street
>>banks have their data-centers running only Unix or Linux with Java as
>>the preferred development language.
>>So, back to my point...I've been working at medical centers a lot
>>lately...they can't find enough registered nurses! They bring them in
>>from across the country, some even from Canada! There just aren't
>>enough. Everyone gets old, people live longer now...it doesn't take a
>>genius to figure it out!
>>
>>For you young people just starting out, I'd strongly suggest looking at
>>being a registered nurse as a career. Today it's much better than this
>>MCSE stuff....and it looks like it will stay that way for many years to
>>come.
>>
>>
>>Good luck to all of you,
>>
>>Oskar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
| |
| Ida Wanna 2003-06-18, 11:26 am |
| Pheonix,
Maybe you don't understand that Microsoft is the wave of the future. 85% of
the technology based industry is converting all their client and server
technology to Windows. And by 2007, 97% of all PCs and servers will be
running Windows, networked by Windows, and all services (DB, Web, or
what-have-you) provided by Microsoft applications. If you want to stay
connected with the rest of the world, you're gonna have to jump on board and
start your migrations ASAP. I know this is fact because Microsoft tells me
so. :-) (just a lil joke).
"pheonix1t" <890-98pheonix1t00@oiearthlink.890netlk2> wrote in message
news:Ei%Ha.53561$Io.5074515@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Smoi wrote:
> > very good suggestion! but i dont know whether it really help everyone!
> >
> > if you ask me, stop changing your carrier!! stick with one thing!
> > i know it is a bad period for IT people but hey it has to get
better.. thats
> > wat the researchers say.. i know you would be prolly thinking who wants
to
> > listen to them... it is totally up to you.. your choice is wat matters..
> > think about the time and money you have spent on learning IT.. it is a
lot
> > more when you have bachelor in IT plus money spent on certs.. you dont
just
> > want to change to nurse! that is very stupid if you ask me.. just coz
> > plumbers and nurse get paid well, doesnt mean you have be one of them!
where
> > is the passion?
>
> well..this is my point...this is meant for the "NEW" people that are
> looking at what career path they want to choose. Hell, even for
> experienced people who can't wait for the economy to pick up....do you
> have any idea how many experienced IT people have no job, are laid off
> for over a year, and went through their savings trying to survive? TOO
> MANY! They can't afford to wait...they HAVE TO get something to put
> food on the plate and pay the rent.
> > i have seen so many people just take IT coz they see themselves as
> > millionaies in less than ten years time!! wrong move!!
> > i agree unix and linux are highly used in bank, but i have read in mags
that
> > many companies are soon going to change their back-end systems to
windows..
> > the reason coz many people access the information in those databases
using
> > computers running Windows and support they get from MS!
>
> This seems to show a lack of understanding on your part of how databases
> work. Most databases (except Microsoft, of course!) are independant of
> the operating system. This means that it doesn't matter what operating
> system you use, as long as you have the client installed you will
> connect to that database. For example - oracle runs on a lot more
> platforms than any MS database ever will. How do you think all the
> different machines talk to the database? They use the oracle client!
> And that's only if you want the communications that way. You can also
> setup a portal using an application server (intranet or internet), then
> the client doesn't need any client software at all, the client only
> needs a web browser, usually one that supports Java....
> Think of your banking site, you connect through SSL to be secure, but
> all your data comes from a database...this is a type of portal.
> A lot of ERP vendors are also moving to portals instead of the older
> client/server setup.
> Now these mags. you're reading aren't MS magazines are they? It would
> seem like MS to take advantage of a lack of understanding by the general
> public about how databases work and then try to use smoke and mirrors to
> try to convince them that using MS databases works better because people
> can access them better! The fact is, databases (oracle for example)
> running on linux is very cost effective and provides a big alternative
> to running a MS server with a MS database. Linux as a platform for
> running a database costs much less $$ than MS products. The only good
> reason to stay or use a MS database is if your application was made to
> run ONLY on MS-SQL. Even then, it is possible to port the application,
> but this costs money....so you have to analyse it. In some cases, it
> makes sense because over the long run you'll save a lot of money in
> licensing fees....in other cases it's not.
> As far as the support that MS provides....been there, done that. It
> SUCKS!! Ask any experienced IT person that has to make a living
> supporting MS products and you'll get a similar story. In NYC, it's
> gotten so bad that the MS user groups are actually "support" groups.
> People email or call each other in the user groups to resolve MS
> problems instead of calling MS support. The problems usually get
> resolved faster, CORRECTLY, and it costs a lot less. Now to be fair,
> this isn't just a problem with MS...a lot of big IT vendor's have
> support that looks great on paper, but in real-life it's a head-ache.
> This is a problem with management...they feel better about seeing the
> big support contracts on paper but they aren't the ones that have to
> deal with the vendors.....now this is a totally separate issue!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > wait for your turn, i'm sure you will get yours..
> >
> >
> >
> > "pheonix1t" <890-98pheonix1t00@oiearthlink.890netlk2> wrote in message
> > news:YXSHa.1597$C83.125040@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >
> >>Techie wrote:
> >>
> >>>yes, it can but at the moment in IT, stories like yours and mine are
> >
> > dwarfed
> >
> >>>by the rough ride our fellow IT staffers are going through.
> >>>
> >>
> >>so...again, for the "new" people thinking about the IT field....why not
> >>consider health care - be a registered nurse!
> >>I've been very lucky in that I was laid off about 2 years ago but I went
> >>independant. I work with my friends at an IT consulting firm that can
> >>handle all the high end programming (custom ERP systems, data
> >>warehousing...). I do have a pretty good education (BS in Info.
> >>Systems, NYU) and I'm not limited to MS products - the high end of the
> >>server market is Unix in case you didn't know. Most of the Wall Street
> >>banks have their data-centers running only Unix or Linux with Java as
> >>the preferred development language.
> >>So, back to my point...I've been working at medical centers a lot
> >>lately...they can't find enough registered nurses! They bring them in
> >>from across the country, some even from Canada! There just aren't
> >>enough. Everyone gets old, people live longer now...it doesn't take a
> >>genius to figure it out!
> >>
> >>For you young people just starting out, I'd strongly suggest looking at
> >>being a registered nurse as a career. Today it's much better than this
> >>MCSE stuff....and it looks like it will stay that way for many years to
> >>come.
> >>
> >>
> >>Good luck to all of you,
> >>
> >>Oskar
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
| |
|
| Gawd dang - I think Ida Wanna must go to sleep listening to motivation tapes
by Billy boy .... lol
Leaving out all of those lovely backroom systems that actually run damn near
everything, you just have to look at all of the manufacturers out there that
are either offering Linux PCs or currently running tests on them. I would
be thinking that the MS share would slip a little sometime soon, and if
Apple develops some more toys as neat at their Powerbook then they may even
pick a few % points too. ( Oh by the way - most of those backroom systems
run on something called Unix, or a variant called Linux - and that includes
that little network called the Internet ).
I know of several major companies that run Linux out back and are just
waiting for the day they can run it on their desktops. And personally, now
that Billy boy has damn near everything he makes wanting to phone home every
5 minutes like bloody ET I can see a hell of a lot of sense in that. Once
MS has it that you don't actually buy any software from them, but pay an
annual lease for applications that are totally wired to them and can't be
run without being linked to Redmond then a whole lot of people are gonna be
searching for old 9x, W2K or NT disks to get their machines running again
..... oh, or downloading a free version of Linux - maybe even with all those
awesome free applications that do everything that MS stuff does ;-)
Don't get me wrong - I like the way a lot of Microsoft stuff works and think
that without the work that Billy boy and company have done that we really
wouldn't be all that advanced from running damn command prompts or terminals
for everything, and probably just starting to get systems with processors
around 1Gig. Remember that it is all the bloatware out there that has
forced the development of larger hard drives and faster processors.
--
RussS
MCP W2K Pro & Server, A+, Net+
http://www.techexams.net/
| |
| tamahomechan69 2003-06-20, 7:24 am |
| wait till longhorn hits the market! you will be amazed by the API's they
offer for coders!
and not to forget paladium.. when it comes out.. then it will be time to
upgrade my computer to new funky chips =)
"RussS" <yeah_right@roflmao.com> wrote in message
news:qPBIa.40930$JA5.711868@news.xtra.co.nz...
> Gawd dang - I think Ida Wanna must go to sleep listening to motivation
tapes
> by Billy boy .... lol
>
> Leaving out all of those lovely backroom systems that actually run damn
near
> everything, you just have to look at all of the manufacturers out there
that
> are either offering Linux PCs or currently running tests on them. I would
> be thinking that the MS share would slip a little sometime soon, and if
> Apple develops some more toys as neat at their Powerbook then they may
even
> pick a few % points too. ( Oh by the way - most of those backroom systems
> run on something called Unix, or a variant called Linux - and that
includes
> that little network called the Internet ).
>
> I know of several major companies that run Linux out back and are just
> waiting for the day they can run it on their desktops. And personally,
now
> that Billy boy has damn near everything he makes wanting to phone home
every
> 5 minutes like bloody ET I can see a hell of a lot of sense in that. Once
> MS has it that you don't actually buy any software from them, but pay an
> annual lease for applications that are totally wired to them and can't be
> run without being linked to Redmond then a whole lot of people are gonna
be
> searching for old 9x, W2K or NT disks to get their machines running again
> .... oh, or downloading a free version of Linux - maybe even with all
those
> awesome free applications that do everything that MS stuff does ;-)
>
> Don't get me wrong - I like the way a lot of Microsoft stuff works and
think
> that without the work that Billy boy and company have done that we really
> wouldn't be all that advanced from running damn command prompts or
terminals
> for everything, and probably just starting to get systems with processors
> around 1Gig. Remember that it is all the bloatware out there that has
> forced the development of larger hard drives and faster processors.
>
> --
> RussS
> MCP W2K Pro & Server, A+, Net+
>
> http://www.techexams.net/
>
>
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| The Oracle 2003-06-20, 6:25 pm |
| You are very mistaken I am afraid. It will not change in the near term - by
which I mean the next ten years. Forget the late 1990's. We were in the
midst of a telecoms/internet boom fueled by stock market greed about the
false promises of the internet and what it was suppoosed to be doing for us.
We were in the grips of the millenium bug scare, which made many companies
spend five years IT budget in one year.
I tell you my friend, if you think this is going to get better soon you are
living in a dreamworld. Another nail in the coffin? At one time, engineers
were interviewed and judged on merit. If you could demonstrate your stuff
you were taken on and rewarded. Nowadays, you are taken on (or not) if you
have a bullshit qualification. Actually times are reverting here since
nearly all empoyers don't trust these scams of certifications and treat them
with the contempt they diserve - hence, all IT people get peanuts for their
salary irrespective of certifications. Its all come full circle. Alnd
there we will remain for many.many years. I am not being negative -
realistic is the word I thing.
Steve
"Smoi" <Smoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1055918190.814828@ns2.1earth.net...
> very good suggestion! but i dont know whether it really help everyone!
>
> if you ask me, stop changing your carrier!! stick with one thing!
> i know it is a bad period for IT people but hey it has to get
better..thats
> wat the researchers say.. i know you would be prolly thinking who wants to
> listen to them... it is totally up to you.. your choice is wat matters..
> think about the time and money you have spent on learning IT.. it is a lot
> more when you have bachelor in IT plus money spent on certs.. you dont
just
> want to change to nurse! that is very stupid if you ask me.. just coz
> plumbers and nurse get paid well, doesnt mean you have be one of them!
where
> is the passion?
> i have seen so many people just take IT coz they see themselves as
> millionaies in less than ten years time!! wrong move!!
> i agree unix and linux are highly used in bank, but i have read in mags
that
> many companies are soon going to change their back-end systems to
windows..
> the reason coz many people access the information in those databases
using
> computers running Windows and support they get from MS!
>
> wait for your turn, i'm sure you will get yours..
>
>
>
> "pheonix1t" <890-98pheonix1t00@oiearthlink.890netlk2> wrote in message
> news:YXSHa.1597$C83.125040@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > Techie wrote:
> > > yes, it can but at the moment in IT, stories like yours and mine are
> dwarfed
> > > by the rough ride our fellow IT staffers are going through.
> > >
> > so...again, for the "new" people thinking about the IT field....why not
> > consider health care - be a registered nurse!
> > I've been very lucky in that I was laid off about 2 years ago but I went
> > independant. I work with my friends at an IT consulting firm that can
> > handle all the high end programming (custom ERP systems, data
> > warehousing...). I do have a pretty good education (BS in Info.
> > Systems, NYU) and I'm not limited to MS products - the high end of the
> > server market is Unix in case you didn't know. Most of the Wall Street
> > banks have their data-centers running only Unix or Linux with Java as
> > the preferred development language.
> > So, back to my point...I've been working at medical centers a lot
> > lately...they can't find enough registered nurses! They bring them in
> > from across the country, some even from Canada! There just aren't
> > enough. Everyone gets old, people live longer now...it doesn't take a
> > genius to figure it out!
> >
> > For you young people just starting out, I'd strongly suggest looking at
> > being a registered nurse as a career. Today it's much better than this
> > MCSE stuff....and it looks like it will stay that way for many years to
> > come.
> >
> >
> > Good luck to all of you,
> >
> > Oskar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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