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Let's Get A Little MCSE Enthusiasm Going!
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| Maynard 2003-06-15, 12:24 pm |
| With all this depressing talk about job loss and the MCSE being a joke, it
is past time to get a little enthusiasm going!
So let's do it by replying to this post and posting links to MCSE positions
around the country for those ranging from little to experienced. Post jobs
that are paying decent money and don't require the candidate know everything
about computers.
Hopefully newsreaders will be overloading with so many replies by the end of
today.
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| Jeykishon Jeyanathan 2003-06-15, 4:25 pm |
| Yes I totally agree... any help on vacancies in the UK would br appreciated.
"Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> With all this depressing talk about job loss and the MCSE being a joke, it
> is past time to get a little enthusiasm going!
>
> So let's do it by replying to this post and posting links to MCSE
positions
> around the country for those ranging from little to experienced. Post jobs
> that are paying decent money and don't require the candidate know
everything
> about computers.
>
> Hopefully newsreaders will be overloading with so many replies by the end
of
> today.
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| I can hear crickets chirping...
"Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:wD1Ha.29968$XR1.21599@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com...
> With all this depressing talk about job loss and the MCSE being a joke, it
> is past time to get a little enthusiasm going!
>
> So let's do it by replying to this post and posting links to MCSE
positions
> around the country for those ranging from little to experienced. Post jobs
> that are paying decent money and don't require the candidate know
everything
> about computers.
>
> Hopefully newsreaders will be overloading with so many replies by the end
of
> today.
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| Techie 2003-06-15, 9:25 pm |
| The one thing that would help more than anything is actually a two part
answer 1) get rid of braindumps to wed out the worthless 2) make it
mandatory to have experience before being able to take the exams leading to
the MCSE. If these steps were followed then the MCSE would regain some
credibility
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"Jeykishon Jeyanathan" <jeykishon@btintnernet.com> wrote in message
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> Yes I totally agree... any help on vacancies in the UK would br
appreciated.
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> "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:wD1Ha.29968$XR1.21599@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > With all this depressing talk about job loss and the MCSE being a joke,
it
> > is past time to get a little enthusiasm going!
> >
> > So let's do it by replying to this post and posting links to MCSE
> positions
> > around the country for those ranging from little to experienced. Post
jobs
> > that are paying decent money and don't require the candidate know
> everything
> > about computers.
> >
> > Hopefully newsreaders will be overloading with so many replies by the
end
> of
> > today.
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| You can sign up for a free MCSE jobs emailing which sends you a selction of
UK based MCSE jobs
Go to www.i2ko.com and go to jobs
"Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:wD1Ha.29968$XR1.21599@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com...
> With all this depressing talk about job loss and the MCSE being a joke, it
> is past time to get a little enthusiasm going!
>
> So let's do it by replying to this post and posting links to MCSE
positions
> around the country for those ranging from little to experienced. Post jobs
> that are paying decent money and don't require the candidate know
everything
> about computers.
>
> Hopefully newsreaders will be overloading with so many replies by the end
of
> today.
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| Dr Zoidberg 2003-06-16, 11:25 am |
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"Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The one thing that would help more than anything is actually a two part
> answer 1) get rid of braindumps to wed out the worthless 2) make it
> mandatory to have experience before being able to take the exams leading
to
> the MCSE. If these steps were followed then the MCSE would regain some
> credibility
>
And how exactly do you propose to quantify such experience or prevent
braindumps for that matter?
I had no commercial IT experience prior to getting my MCSE (plenty of
"leisure" experience though) , set up my own lab to help me qualify , and
managed to get a very good IT job within a couple of months so it can be
done.
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Alex
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| Techie 2003-06-16, 2:25 pm |
| Those would be the 64 Billion dollar questions that I don't believe anyone
has a real answer for....unfortunately.
Now, in your case your experience would be the exception rather than the
rule around these NG, most people openly state they study from testking or
whatever and then complain they can't get a million dollar(exaggerating of
course...but not by much) a year job with no experience. I am not saying
that the route you took doesn't work because that would be a lie, the
problem is too many people are taking the quick and easy route.
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"Dr Zoidberg" <alexNOOOOOO!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Techie" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_y9Ha.2345$9y3.122646@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > The one thing that would help more than anything is actually a two part
> > answer 1) get rid of braindumps to wed out the worthless 2) make it
> > mandatory to have experience before being able to take the exams leading
> to
> > the MCSE. If these steps were followed then the MCSE would regain some
> > credibility
> >
> And how exactly do you propose to quantify such experience or prevent
> braindumps for that matter?
> I had no commercial IT experience prior to getting my MCSE (plenty of
> "leisure" experience though) , set up my own lab to help me qualify , and
> managed to get a very good IT job within a couple of months so it can be
> done.
>
> --
> Alex
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> No sig
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| Yeah but being homeless after a while you get used to it and other noises
from sleeping outside.
"Sully" <sullivanjm9@REMOVESPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I can hear crickets chirping...
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> "Maynard" <nobody@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:wD1Ha.29968$XR1.21599@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > With all this depressing talk about job loss and the MCSE being a joke,
it
> > is past time to get a little enthusiasm going!
> >
> > So let's do it by replying to this post and posting links to MCSE
> positions
> > around the country for those ranging from little to experienced. Post
jobs
> > that are paying decent money and don't require the candidate know
> everything
> > about computers.
> >
> > Hopefully newsreaders will be overloading with so many replies by the
end
> of
> > today.
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| EldredP 2003-06-16, 11:24 pm |
| In article <_y9Ha.2345$9y3.122646@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Techie"
<delphiworks@hotmail.com> writes:
>The one thing that would help more than anything is actually a two part
>answer 1) get rid of braindumps to wed out the worthless 2) make it
>mandatory to have experience before being able to take the exams leading to
>the MCSE. If these steps were followed then the MCSE would regain some
>credibility
And how, if you can't get the experience(job) without getting the cert...?
Eldred
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| Techie 2003-06-17, 6:25 am |
| no offense if you have no experience you should not be a Net Admin or MCSE
in the first place
--
Techie
A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
"EldredP" <eldredp@aol.comSPAM-OFF> wrote in message
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> In article <_y9Ha.2345$9y3.122646@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Techie"
> <delphiworks@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >The one thing that would help more than anything is actually a two part
> >answer 1) get rid of braindumps to wed out the worthless 2) make it
> >mandatory to have experience before being able to take the exams leading
to
> >the MCSE. If these steps were followed then the MCSE would regain some
> >credibility
>
> And how, if you can't get the experience(job) without getting the cert...?
>
> Eldred
> --
> Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on
my
> homepage)
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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| EldredP 2003-06-27, 8:25 am |
| In article <G5CHa.1503$5d.355893@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Techie"
<delphiworks@hotmail.com> writes:
>no offense if you have no experience you should not be a Net Admin or MCSE
>in the first place
>
>--
>Techie
>A+, Network+, MCP, MCNGP #21
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>> And how, if you can't get the experience(job) without getting the cert...?
No offense taken, but then you're right back at the Catch-22 beginning. You're
saying you should have the experience before you can get the cert. Companies
are saying you need the cert before you can get the job, which is how you GET
the experience.
You have to BE a Net Admin before you can get the experience of BEING a Net
Admin...
Eldred
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| =?Windows-1252?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?= 2003-06-27, 3:24 pm |
| "EldredP" <eldredp@aol.comSPAM-OFF> wrote in message
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> No offense taken, but then you're right back at the Catch-22 beginning.
There is no catch-22. You experience by volunteering.
Call your school, your library. I'm sure they'd appreciate some free help,
and it looks good on a resume.
--
Fris "Catch 13" beeŽ MCNGP #13
http://www.mcngp.tk
The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
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| Mick Fly 2003-06-28, 12:24 am |
| The IT field is not as accessible as it used to be 4-5 yrs ago. The market
has since been saturated with IT people, many who bought into the hype and
marketing of IT certifications and then made their way into these jobs when
the economy was better (I know because I was one of them). Then 9/11 came
along and the economy/stock market, already slumping, really took a crap.
There used to be companies who would take a chance on a guy/girl with just a
cert, or someone who learned by hooking up and building PC's in their
house/apartment - you started out a PC break-fix person with an A+ cert,
learned bit by bit, and if you were a good employee and had a strong desire
to learn, plus getting additional certs (and a few lucky breaks), within a
few years experience you could fast-track it and be making $40-50K or more.
Now it is much more difficult. If I was light on experience I would start
looking in the public sector, govt. or non-profit orgs who don't have to
worry about the bottom line. This is a good place to get experience for the
first 3 years or so, and you'll have more job security than most other
places, although you won't be making a lotta jack. No matter where you find
a job, a good work ethic and positive attitude will help a great deal with
job security when companies begin weeding out dead wood to cut costs. If
you are extremely busy on a daily basis in your job, that's a good sign.
Final note on the MCSE or any others (Novell, Cisco, whatever) - these are
better suited to keeping your skills sharp and current - and I stress this
next part - as you continue to gain hands-on experience working in the
industry. In my opinion you are better off keeping your 'qualifications'
current in case you ARE laid off. As for those who bash certifications like
the MCSE, the same criticism could be leveled at people fresh out of college
with a 4-year business degree. A college degree doesn't prove you can do
jack-squat on the job either.
Mcfly
"FrisbeeŽ MCNGP" <bhileman@dasi-software.com> wrote in message
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> "EldredP" <eldredp@aol.comSPAM-OFF> wrote in message
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> > No offense taken, but then you're right back at the Catch-22 beginning.
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> There is no catch-22. You experience by volunteering.
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> Call your school, your library. I'm sure they'd appreciate some free
help,
> and it looks good on a resume.
>
>
> --
> Fris "Catch 13" beeŽ MCNGP #13
>
> http://www.mcngp.tk
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
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| Hey Mick - your post was a nice read.
I particularly liked the analogy about the college grads. Wonder where the
dot.bomb crap came from? - try business school grads who had absolutely no
idea of building a business based on solid fundamentals and built wih the
idea of continuous and sustained growth. 20 somethings who had just walked
out of college and had a 'bright idea' were suddenly earning mega bucks and
hiring techs at wage levels that were unreal and unsustainable. The bottom
line is that for a busines to grow and prosper it MUST make a profit - how
many of the dot.bomb companies ever made a profit? Very few I am guessing -
probably those that are still around today and very few others. A business
model is a fragile things when first started up and the surefire way to grow
a business is to plough your earnings back into it to help build a solid
footing.
Hmmm - doesn't that sound like a tech guy taking night classes and gaining
certifications so he can make himself more useful (and maybe earn a few more
bucks?).
--
RussS
MCP W2K Pro & Server, A+, Net+
http://www.techexams.net/
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