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| Taking both of these within a couple of days of each other in two
weeks time. Which one should I spend more time on studying.
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| Gunnar 2003-05-25, 8:24 am |
| I think 70-219 is the toughest, because you are given the questions in a new
form, that can be quite strange the first time
<Hal> wrote in message news:5lt0dv0o0mek6vutsr4pbcc5t
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> Taking both of these within a couple of days of each other in two
> weeks time. Which one should I spend more time on studying.
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| Nick Funk 2003-05-25, 9:24 am |
| I just took 70-219 Friday, I was presented with 5 lengthy case studies
with approximately 8 to 10 questions per case study (I had a total of 40
questions).
I believe I had 215 minutes to complete the exam. I was able to
complete in 1 1/2 hours.
I found that some of the Q&As for 219 were common sense and could have
been answered without even reading the case study, while other answers
had to be researched from the case study. Then I found a few other Q&As
were vague, even after searching the case study the outcome isn't black
or white and can possibly be left to interpretation.
As for which is more difficult, I think 70-219 required a little more
reasoning skills due to the test format.
Gunnar wrote:
>I think 70-219 is the toughest, because you are given the questions in a new
>form, that can be quite strange the first time
>
><Hal> wrote in message news:5lt0dv0o0mek6vutsr4pbcc5t
66pt76o49@4ax.com...
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>>Taking both of these within a couple of days of each other in two
>>weeks time. Which one should I spend more time on studying.
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| Delbert Matlock 2003-05-25, 11:24 am |
| Hal <Hal> wrote:
>Taking both of these within a couple of days of each other in two
>weeks time. Which one should I spend more time on studying.
If you don't know your material from 217 very well then you won't
stand a chance on 219. 217 is mainly learn and replay. 219 requires
you to apply the knowledge from 217 against real world scenarios.
The case studies in 219 are a whole new animal which will require
quite a bit of back and forth between the text of the case study and
the question you are working on at the time. For my own experience,
217 was pretty straight forward but when I finished 219 I had no idea
if the screen was going to come back with a pass or fail.
Good luck on both exams to you!
For those who are looking to take these exams later, you might find
some helpful materials here:
http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-217.html
http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-219.html
-- Delbert Matlock
-- MCSE, MCSA, MCDBA, CCNA, Network+, A+
-- http://www.SelfStudyCerts.com/
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| i'm planning to do 70-221.. coz i'm more intrested in networking?
any 1 done that b4? if so, how is it? any advice?
thanks
"Delbert Matlock" <delbertREMOVESPAM@matlock.com> wrote in message
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> Hal <Hal> wrote:
>
> >Taking both of these within a couple of days of each other in two
> >weeks time. Which one should I spend more time on studying.
>
> If you don't know your material from 217 very well then you won't
> stand a chance on 219. 217 is mainly learn and replay. 219 requires
> you to apply the knowledge from 217 against real world scenarios.
>
> The case studies in 219 are a whole new animal which will require
> quite a bit of back and forth between the text of the case study and
> the question you are working on at the time. For my own experience,
> 217 was pretty straight forward but when I finished 219 I had no idea
> if the screen was going to come back with a pass or fail.
>
> Good luck on both exams to you!
>
> For those who are looking to take these exams later, you might find
> some helpful materials here:
>
> http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-217.html
> http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-219.html
>
> -- Delbert Matlock
> -- MCSE, MCSA, MCDBA, CCNA, Network+, A+
> -- http://www.SelfStudyCerts.com/
>
> --
>
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=
> Remove the all uppercase letters from my e-mail address for replys (no
SPAM)
> Any UCE that does make it through will be reported to your service
provider
> and your service provider's service provider. Forgers will be hunted.
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| I did 70-221 back in Feb. What a horrible exam! 3 hours and 35 minutes of
sheer hell in
which you have to complete 4 Testlets (case studies), each with 8 -12
questions (40 questions in total). There were 3 - 4 "build a tree" type
questions in each Testlet with the rest being just multiple choice. As you
would expect, this exam has is not interested in your ability to configure
the DNS or DHCP service etc. But it's very concerned that you understand
the functionality of the Windows 2000 networking services, how they
interoperate and deploying them for maximum availability, performance and
security. I approached this exam in the same way as I studied for the core
4 and 218 but , with hindsight, my study methodology for this one was all
wrong 
The test itself was harder than any of the practice tests I used
(Microsoft Readiness Review and Trancender). The case studies were far more
complicated and I ended up filling 9 sides of A4 with notes and diagrams.
Even with all this, there were several questions where I just could not see
what they were looking for or the answer I would have given was not listed.
Whatever case studies you end up with I think you can be pretty sure that
you will be tested on designing DNS namespace, deployment of the DNS service
("split-brain" etc), deployment of fault tolerant DHCP using the 80/20 rule,
designing Remote Access Policies, allocating design concerns to specific
headings, IP address space design, support for down-level clients etc. Make
sure you're familiar with Token Ring too! Still giving out scores back in
Feb (556 to pass).
Used the Sybex and New Riders study guides, both of which were the
original editions. I didn't like the Sybex book at all. It had a lot of
mistakes, the end of chapter questions and case studies were poor and I've
never been a fan of the EdgeTest software they use which seems to think you
sit these exams using an 8" monitor! The New Riders book was slightly
better and their ExamGear test software is much better but the questions
were too 216 centric with no case studies. I supplemented these books with
the relevant chapters from Minasi's "Mastering Windows 2000 Server", the CBT
Nugget CD which was useful but not essential and various MS Support
WebCasts, White Papers and Q articles. Paid for and downloaded the
Cramsession but at only 38 pages, it's not up to the high standard of some
of their other offerings. Both the MS Readiness Review and Trancenders were
useful practice but lulled me into a false sense of security, both being
easier than the real thing.
If I were to do this exam again, I think I would concentrate on the
Deployment Guides within the Resource Kit, maybe think about buying the MS
Training Guide and try and get more into the Microsoft psyche of network
design. You can study for this exam without even switching a computer on.
Hours spent behind a server experimenting on your test network unfortunately
wont really help you much with this one. Hope this helps and does not put
you off too much  !
"smoi" <smoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1053989376.758003@ns2.1earth.net...
> i'm planning to do 70-221.. coz i'm more intrested in networking?
> any 1 done that b4? if so, how is it? any advice?
> thanks
>
> "Delbert Matlock" <delbertREMOVESPAM@matlock.com> wrote in message
> news:88o1dv09gctgd3nv182lljkqc
99tf381kk@4ax.com...
> > Hal <Hal> wrote:
> >
> > >Taking both of these within a couple of days of each other in two
> > >weeks time. Which one should I spend more time on studying.
> >
> > If you don't know your material from 217 very well then you won't
> > stand a chance on 219. 217 is mainly learn and replay. 219 requires
> > you to apply the knowledge from 217 against real world scenarios.
> >
> > The case studies in 219 are a whole new animal which will require
> > quite a bit of back and forth between the text of the case study and
> > the question you are working on at the time. For my own experience,
> > 217 was pretty straight forward but when I finished 219 I had no idea
> > if the screen was going to come back with a pass or fail.
> >
> > Good luck on both exams to you!
> >
> > For those who are looking to take these exams later, you might find
> > some helpful materials here:
> >
> > http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-217.html
> > http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-219.html
> >
> > -- Delbert Matlock
> > -- MCSE, MCSA, MCDBA, CCNA, Network+, A+
> > -- http://www.SelfStudyCerts.com/
> >
> > --
> >
>
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> =
> > Remove the all uppercase letters from my e-mail address for replys (no
> SPAM)
> > Any UCE that does make it through will be reported to your service
> provider
> > and your service provider's service provider. Forgers will be hunted.
>
>
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| whoa.. thanks for advice djkj.. very much appreciated! yea i'm want to
finish my mcsa for now 
221 will b my later option for mcse!
i m studyin for 70-224 rite now.. i'm using MS training kit. the book is
fatter compared to the book that i was using for server exam!
did u do 70-224? was it easy?!
"DJKJ" <djkj@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:bb0nhr$nmb$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I did 70-221 back in Feb. What a horrible exam! 3 hours and 35 minutes
of
> sheer hell in
> which you have to complete 4 Testlets (case studies), each with 8 -12
> questions (40 questions in total). There were 3 - 4 "build a tree" type
> questions in each Testlet with the rest being just multiple choice. As
you
> would expect, this exam has is not interested in your ability to configure
> the DNS or DHCP service etc. But it's very concerned that you understand
> the functionality of the Windows 2000 networking services, how they
> interoperate and deploying them for maximum availability, performance and
> security. I approached this exam in the same way as I studied for the
core
> 4 and 218 but , with hindsight, my study methodology for this one was all
> wrong
>
> The test itself was harder than any of the practice tests I used
> (Microsoft Readiness Review and Trancender). The case studies were far
more
> complicated and I ended up filling 9 sides of A4 with notes and diagrams.
> Even with all this, there were several questions where I just could not
see
> what they were looking for or the answer I would have given was not
listed.
> Whatever case studies you end up with I think you can be pretty sure that
> you will be tested on designing DNS namespace, deployment of the DNS
service
> ("split-brain" etc), deployment of fault tolerant DHCP using the 80/20
rule,
> designing Remote Access Policies, allocating design concerns to specific
> headings, IP address space design, support for down-level clients etc.
Make
> sure you're familiar with Token Ring too! Still giving out scores back in
> Feb (556 to pass).
>
> Used the Sybex and New Riders study guides, both of which were the
> original editions. I didn't like the Sybex book at all. It had a lot of
> mistakes, the end of chapter questions and case studies were poor and I've
> never been a fan of the EdgeTest software they use which seems to think
you
> sit these exams using an 8" monitor! The New Riders book was slightly
> better and their ExamGear test software is much better but the questions
> were too 216 centric with no case studies. I supplemented these books
with
> the relevant chapters from Minasi's "Mastering Windows 2000 Server", the
CBT
> Nugget CD which was useful but not essential and various MS Support
> WebCasts, White Papers and Q articles. Paid for and downloaded the
> Cramsession but at only 38 pages, it's not up to the high standard of some
> of their other offerings. Both the MS Readiness Review and Trancenders
were
> useful practice but lulled me into a false sense of security, both being
> easier than the real thing.
>
> If I were to do this exam again, I think I would concentrate on the
> Deployment Guides within the Resource Kit, maybe think about buying the MS
> Training Guide and try and get more into the Microsoft psyche of network
> design. You can study for this exam without even switching a computer on.
> Hours spent behind a server experimenting on your test network
unfortunately
> wont really help you much with this one. Hope this helps and does not put
> you off too much !
>
>
> "smoi" <smoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1053989376.758003@ns2.1earth.net...
> > i'm planning to do 70-221.. coz i'm more intrested in networking?
> > any 1 done that b4? if so, how is it? any advice?
> > thanks
> >
> > "Delbert Matlock" <delbertREMOVESPAM@matlock.com> wrote in message
> > news:88o1dv09gctgd3nv182lljkqc
99tf381kk@4ax.com...
> > > Hal <Hal> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Taking both of these within a couple of days of each other in two
> > > >weeks time. Which one should I spend more time on studying.
> > >
> > > If you don't know your material from 217 very well then you won't
> > > stand a chance on 219. 217 is mainly learn and replay. 219 requires
> > > you to apply the knowledge from 217 against real world scenarios.
> > >
> > > The case studies in 219 are a whole new animal which will require
> > > quite a bit of back and forth between the text of the case study and
> > > the question you are working on at the time. For my own experience,
> > > 217 was pretty straight forward but when I finished 219 I had no idea
> > > if the screen was going to come back with a pass or fail.
> > >
> > > Good luck on both exams to you!
> > >
> > > For those who are looking to take these exams later, you might find
> > > some helpful materials here:
> > >
> > > http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-217.html
> > > http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-219.html
> > >
> > > -- Delbert Matlock
> > > -- MCSE, MCSA, MCDBA, CCNA, Network+, A+
> > > -- http://www.SelfStudyCerts.com/
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> >
>
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > =
> > > Remove the all uppercase letters from my e-mail address for replys (no
> > SPAM)
> > > Any UCE that does make it through will be reported to your service
> > provider
> > > and your service provider's service provider. Forgers will be hunted.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Glad to be of help! I'm studying for 224 myself at the moment. It's the
last one I need for my MCSE but I'm going to do 227 later in the year
because, IMHO, I don't beleive that 218 should be an MCSE elective plus we
support a lot of companies using ISA Server where I work anyway. Started
with no Exchange experience whatsoever so it's been an uphill struggle.
Using the Sybex book with my home lab and reading "Mastering Exchange 2000
Server" on the train to and from work. Also found some good articles on
www.msexchange.org and a good series of articles www.windows2000trainers.com
(I think).
good luck with 224 and 221, especially 221 ; )
Regards,
DJKJ
"smoi" <smoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1054163967.538815@ns2.1earth.net...
> whoa.. thanks for advice djkj.. very much appreciated! yea i'm want to
> finish my mcsa for now
> 221 will b my later option for mcse!
> i m studyin for 70-224 rite now.. i'm using MS training kit. the book is
> fatter compared to the book that i was using for server exam!
>
> did u do 70-224? was it easy?!
>
> "DJKJ" <djkj@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:bb0nhr$nmb$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > I did 70-221 back in Feb. What a horrible exam! 3 hours and 35 minutes
> of
> > sheer hell in
> > which you have to complete 4 Testlets (case studies), each with 8 -12
> > questions (40 questions in total). There were 3 - 4 "build a tree" type
> > questions in each Testlet with the rest being just multiple choice. As
> you
> > would expect, this exam has is not interested in your ability to
configure
> > the DNS or DHCP service etc. But it's very concerned that you
understand
> > the functionality of the Windows 2000 networking services, how they
> > interoperate and deploying them for maximum availability, performance
and
> > security. I approached this exam in the same way as I studied for the
> core
> > 4 and 218 but , with hindsight, my study methodology for this one was
all
> > wrong
> >
> > The test itself was harder than any of the practice tests I used
> > (Microsoft Readiness Review and Trancender). The case studies were far
> more
> > complicated and I ended up filling 9 sides of A4 with notes and
diagrams.
> > Even with all this, there were several questions where I just could not
> see
> > what they were looking for or the answer I would have given was not
> listed.
> > Whatever case studies you end up with I think you can be pretty sure
that
> > you will be tested on designing DNS namespace, deployment of the DNS
> service
> > ("split-brain" etc), deployment of fault tolerant DHCP using the 80/20
> rule,
> > designing Remote Access Policies, allocating design concerns to specific
> > headings, IP address space design, support for down-level clients etc.
> Make
> > sure you're familiar with Token Ring too! Still giving out scores back
in
>
> > Feb (556 to pass).
> >
> > Used the Sybex and New Riders study guides, both of which were the
> > original editions. I didn't like the Sybex book at all. It had a lot
of
> > mistakes, the end of chapter questions and case studies were poor and
I've
> > never been a fan of the EdgeTest software they use which seems to think
> you
> > sit these exams using an 8" monitor! The New Riders book was slightly
> > better and their ExamGear test software is much better but the questions
> > were too 216 centric with no case studies. I supplemented these books
> with
> > the relevant chapters from Minasi's "Mastering Windows 2000 Server", the
> CBT
> > Nugget CD which was useful but not essential and various MS Support
> > WebCasts, White Papers and Q articles. Paid for and downloaded the
> > Cramsession but at only 38 pages, it's not up to the high standard of
some
> > of their other offerings. Both the MS Readiness Review and Trancenders
> were
> > useful practice but lulled me into a false sense of security, both being
> > easier than the real thing.
> >
> > If I were to do this exam again, I think I would concentrate on the
> > Deployment Guides within the Resource Kit, maybe think about buying the
MS
> > Training Guide and try and get more into the Microsoft psyche of network
> > design. You can study for this exam without even switching a computer
on.
> > Hours spent behind a server experimenting on your test network
> unfortunately
> > wont really help you much with this one. Hope this helps and does not
put
> > you off too much !
> >
> >
> > "smoi" <smoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1053989376.758003@ns2.1earth.net...
> > > i'm planning to do 70-221.. coz i'm more intrested in networking?
> > > any 1 done that b4? if so, how is it? any advice?
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > "Delbert Matlock" <delbertREMOVESPAM@matlock.com> wrote in message
> > > news:88o1dv09gctgd3nv182lljkqc
99tf381kk@4ax.com...
> > > > Hal <Hal> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Taking both of these within a couple of days of each other in two
> > > > >weeks time. Which one should I spend more time on studying.
> > > >
> > > > If you don't know your material from 217 very well then you won't
> > > > stand a chance on 219. 217 is mainly learn and replay. 219
requires
> > > > you to apply the knowledge from 217 against real world scenarios.
> > > >
> > > > The case studies in 219 are a whole new animal which will require
> > > > quite a bit of back and forth between the text of the case study and
> > > > the question you are working on at the time. For my own experience,
> > > > 217 was pretty straight forward but when I finished 219 I had no
idea[
color=darkred]
> > > > if the screen was going to come back with a pass or fail.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck on both exams to you!
> > > >
> > > > For those who are looking to take these exams later, you might find
> > > > some helpful materials here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-217.html
> > > > http://www.selfstudycerts.com/test/...oft/70-219.html
> > > >
> > > > -- Delbert Matlock
> > > > -- MCSE, MCSA, MCDBA, CCNA, Network+, A+
> > > > -- http://www.SelfStudyCerts.com/
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > >
> >
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