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BrainDumps, Fucking hate them!
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| I'm sure I wont be alone, especially among my peers in this newsgroup in
expressing my annoyance in those who rely on braindumps to pass the MCP
exams. It really takes away from my sense of achievement when, having worked
hard for the certification. Then to find my hard work devalued by others who
cheat the exams. If you can't pass the exams without cheating your not cut
out to be an MCSE.
Braindumps reduce the value of certification theres no disputing that. The
whole point of certification is to stand out from the crowd, if anyone can
get one, whats the point.
In my view, a "paper" MCSE is someone who blagged the exams. Someone who
genuinely studied for their certification has gained the knowledge to
Support a Windows 2000 network if not the experience, which you or course,
can only gain through employment.
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| Dean S. Lautermilch®²ºº³ 2003-04-13, 10:24 am |
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Braindumps are good for reviewing purposes since it has been found that
often the major study books will be lacking in one topic or another. They
are also good for spotting mistakes such as minimal requirements for Win2K
server which I have seen vary in various study guides.
Getting the cert is one thing. I was a long time contractor and have had
technical interviews at every job interview since the early 90s. I have also
had to 'double-plug' on a few occasions to interview for phone support
positions. After the hiring manager was happy with me, I would be sent to
the room where I would be working and spend ten-twenty minutes with each
employee letting me solve problems on live calls. The only thing a cert did
would get me into the room; from there I was on my own.
"Barry" <britboy19_2000nospam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e9953f7_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
> I'm sure I wont be alone, especially among my peers in this newsgroup in
> expressing my annoyance in those who rely on braindumps to pass the MCP
> exams. It really takes away from my sense of achievement when, having
worked
> hard for the certification. Then to find my hard work devalued by others
who
> cheat the exams. If you can't pass the exams without cheating your not cut
> out to be an MCSE.
> braindumps reduce the value of certification theres no disputing that. The
> whole point of certification is to stand out from the crowd, if anyone can
> get one, whats the point.
>
> In my view, a "paper" MCSE is someone who blagged the exams. Someone who
> genuinely studied for their certification has gained the knowledge to
> Support a Windows 2000 network if not the experience, which you or course,
> can only gain through employment.
>
>
>
>
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| Galileo 2003-04-13, 4:24 pm |
| Dean S. Lautermilch®²ºº³ wrote:
> braindumps are good for reviewing purposes since it has been found
> that often the major study books will be lacking in one topic or
> another. They are also good for spotting mistakes such as minimal
> requirements for Win2K server which I have seen vary in various study
> guides.
Then don't be cheap. Buy more than one study book like the rest of us.
> live calls. The only thing a cert did would get me into the room;
> from there I was on my own.
Great. Still wouldn't want to work with a cheater though. If they'll cheat
their education god knows what else theyll cheat and then blame on someone
else.
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| Richard Cooling 2003-04-14, 7:24 am |
| Barry,
I just wanted to comment on your post, as I've used braindumps in my studies
and think they really helped. I always buy study guides and thoroughly go
through the material. then run through the hands on stuff in a Lab
environment. Once its come to exam time though, I often download practice
questions and braindumps to test myself, then go back to the questions and
look at where I went wrong and why. I totally agree that they can be abused
and allow paper MCSE's to just get certified, however I think to anyone that
is really studying for an exam, practice questions can help them understand
the problem better.
Regards
Richard
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| Galileo 2003-04-14, 10:25 am |
| Richard Cooling wrote:
> often download practice questions and braindumps to test myself, then
> go back to the questions and look at where I went wrong and why. I
> totally agree that they can be abused and allow paper MCSE's to just
> get certified, however I think to anyone that is really studying for
> an exam, practice questions can help them understand the problem
> better.
Braindumps are NOT practice tests. They are actual questions to an exam. In
any other environment like school, college, universities, evening classes
using such material would have you expelled/qualifications removed/black
balled and in some cases criminal charges. Just because you can get away
with it with Microsoft certs don't lie to yourself and others by pretending
it's ok.
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| Barry 2003-04-14, 10:25 am |
| Fair enough, I also use practice tests (transcenders) to prepare for exams
and don't see anything wrong with this. The practise tests follow the format
of the real exams without actually giving the exam material away. As
braindumps are the exact questions from the exams however, someone (and I'm
not saying you do) who relys on braindumps to pass the exams has an unfair
advantage over others who study the conventional way.
"Richard Cooling" <richardcooling@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OGxma.7524$9C6.253260@wards.force9.net...
> Barry,
>
>
>
> I just wanted to comment on your post, as I've used braindumps in my
studies
> and think they really helped. I always buy study guides and thoroughly go
> through the material. then run through the hands on stuff in a Lab
> environment. Once its come to exam time though, I often download practice
> questions and braindumps to test myself, then go back to the questions and
> look at where I went wrong and why. I totally agree that they can be
abused
> and allow paper MCSE's to just get certified, however I think to anyone
that
> is really studying for an exam, practice questions can help them
understand
> the problem better.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
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| SUPRCHGTNT 2003-04-14, 11:25 am |
| its simple,,, if you have/study the answers to a test you're cheating, call
it what ever you want, its still is cheating, also..... I have been using
transcenders to prep for all my test , I have NEVER seen a transcender
question on an actual test, they do what a good prep is suppose to do,point
out your weak areas and allow you to become familiar with the phrasing of
the test
"Barry" <britboy19_2000nospam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e9acb96_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
> Fair enough, I also use practice tests (transcenders) to prepare for exams
> and don't see anything wrong with this. The practise tests follow the
format
> of the real exams without actually giving the exam material away. As
> braindumps are the exact questions from the exams however, someone (and
I'm
> not saying you do) who relys on braindumps to pass the exams has an unfair
> advantage over others who study the conventional way.
> "Richard Cooling" <richardcooling@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OGxma.7524$9C6.253260@wards.force9.net...
> > Barry,
> >
> >
> >
> > I just wanted to comment on your post, as I've used braindumps in my
> studies
> > and think they really helped. I always buy study guides and thoroughly
go
> > through the material. then run through the hands on stuff in a Lab
> > environment. Once its come to exam time though, I often download
practice
> > questions and braindumps to test myself, then go back to the questions
and
> > look at where I went wrong and why. I totally agree that they can be
> abused
> > and allow paper MCSE's to just get certified, however I think to anyone
> that
> > is really studying for an exam, practice questions can help them
> understand
> > the problem better.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Richard 2003-04-14, 1:25 pm |
| Barry,
I see your point of view, and the distinction between practice exams and
braindumps as I have also used (transcenders). The use of braindumps is by
no means a correct study method, I do feel though used as an aid to
understanding specific questions combined with practice tests, hands-on
experience and study guides, they can help you learn what is needed for the
exam. It maybe the case for us to 'agree to disagree?'
Regards
Richard
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| Politician Spock 2003-04-14, 4:24 pm |
| Though they "could" be used as an aid to learning, that hardly justifies
them. There are many other non-questionable aids that can be used to learn.
Why then use something questionable?
--
"Richard" <richardcooling@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_QCma.7982$9C6.258607@wards.force9.net...
> Barry,
>
>
>
> I see your point of view, and the distinction between practice exams and
> braindumps as I have also used (transcenders). The use of braindumps is by
> no means a correct study method, I do feel though used as an aid to
> understanding specific questions combined with practice tests, hands-on
> experience and study guides, they can help you learn what is needed for
the
> exam. It maybe the case for us to 'agree to disagree?'
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
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| Beoweolf 2003-04-14, 5:24 pm |
| The real issue with brain dumps is they offer answers to CURRENT questions.
If they only issued questions/answers from retired exams, it "might" be
justified.
I have had Prof's that would issue the exams from the previous semesters to
their new students as study guides. This gave us a glimpse of the detail,
complexity and flavor of the upcoming exams. These were not the current test
and they were made available by the creator of the tests for students. When
you get prior knowledge of the current test, that is cheating! It's not a
fine line. It's not up to debate. It is blatant cheating. Recognize it, own
it and take your place at the head of the line.
If you really want to practice, you can get practice exams, similar to, the
real test from any number of commercial and free sources.
When you go to braindumps sites, who advertise they have answers to actual
test, there is no other explanation or justification that you can dream up
to excuse the fact that you have sought an unfair advantage against other
candidates who take the test on their on knowledge and experience. You are
cheating, you know it, they know it and if employed, eventually your
employer will find you out for the fraud that you are. Your co-workers will
find you out and avoid you and mention your lack of skill to any and all
that will listen. Believe it, 'cause it is easy enough to spot a fraud. A
"short order cook" is not a chef.
degri "Richard Cooling" <richardcooling@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OGxma.7524$9C6.253260@wards.force9.net...
> Barry,
>
>
>
> I just wanted to comment on your post, as I've used braindumps in my
studies
> and think they really helped. I always buy study guides and thoroughly go
> through the material. then run through the hands on stuff in a Lab
> environment. Once its come to exam time though, I often download practice
> questions and braindumps to test myself, then go back to the questions and
> look at where I went wrong and why. I totally agree that they can be
abused
> and allow paper MCSE's to just get certified, however I think to anyone
that
> is really studying for an exam, practice questions can help them
understand
> the problem better.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
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| JimmyCooks 2003-04-15, 3:24 pm |
| So, which braindump do you hate the most? (please be specific)
Dale
On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:11:33 +0100, "Barry"
<britboy19_2000nospam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I'm sure I wont be alone, especially among my peers in this newsgroup in
>expressing my annoyance in those who rely on braindumps to pass the MCP
>exams. It really takes away from my sense of achievement when, having worked
>hard for the certification. Then to find my hard work devalued by others who
>cheat the exams. If you can't pass the exams without cheating your not cut
>out to be an MCSE.
>Braindumps reduce the value of certification theres no disputing that. The
>whole point of certification is to stand out from the crowd, if anyone can
>get one, whats the point.
>
>In my view, a "paper" MCSE is someone who blagged the exams. Someone who
>genuinely studied for their certification has gained the knowledge to
>Support a Windows 2000 network if not the experience, which you or course,
>can only gain through employment.
>
>
>
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| I XXXXen hate them too......
Er, Ah, Um, Da, ..... Where are the best ones at?
Ray
Barry wrote:
> I'm sure I wont be alone, especially among my peers in this newsgroup in
> expressing my annoyance in those who rely on braindumps to pass the MCP
> exams. It really takes away from my sense of achievement when, having worked
> hard for the certification. Then to find my hard work devalued by others who
> cheat the exams. If you can't pass the exams without cheating your not cut
> out to be an MCSE.
> braindumps reduce the value of certification theres no disputing that. The
> whole point of certification is to stand out from the crowd, if anyone can
> get one, whats the point.
>
> In my view, a "paper" MCSE is someone who blagged the exams. Someone who
> genuinely studied for their certification has gained the knowledge to
> Support a Windows 2000 network if not the experience, which you or course,
> can only gain through employment.
>
>
>
>
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| David Maggard 2003-04-19, 12:24 am |
| The sad thing about people that cram(braindumb, memorize answers, etc.) and
then take the exams and pass is that cramming is a VERY bad way to learn,
you forget everything. Then you get a job with your MCSE and don't know how
to do the things an MCSE implies you know, and you get fired. Every job
interview after you will have to explain why you left your last job, and
thus are less likely to get the job or good pay, especially if they contact
your references. So you can't get a job because you were incompetant, and
you have wasted $875+training materials costs. When if you had spent more
time and probably less money and would have been prepared for a real job.
"Barry" <britboy19_2000nospam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e9953f7_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
> I'm sure I wont be alone, especially among my peers in this newsgroup in
> expressing my annoyance in those who rely on braindumps to pass the MCP
> exams. It really takes away from my sense of achievement when, having
worked
> hard for the certification. Then to find my hard work devalued by others
who
> cheat the exams. If you can't pass the exams without cheating your not cut
> out to be an MCSE.
> braindumps reduce the value of certification theres no disputing that. The
> whole point of certification is to stand out from the crowd, if anyone can
> get one, whats the point.
>
> In my view, a "paper" MCSE is someone who blagged the exams. Someone who
> genuinely studied for their certification has gained the knowledge to
> Support a Windows 2000 network if not the experience, which you or course,
> can only gain through employment.
>
>
>
>
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| revcop 2003-04-19, 1:40 am |
| You can buy them all for $100 these days... |
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