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| Steve Smith 2003-03-09, 10:24 pm |
| I have A+ and I just got Network+. I need some advice about which
certification to get next, MCP or CCNA? Since I just got done studying for
Net+, I feel like I'm probably half way to CCNA. But, Windows 2000
Pro(70-210) would be just as attainable for me or probably more so. What's
more likely to land me a decent job, (A+, Network+ and CCNA) or (A+,
Network+ and MCP)? I intend to go for MSCA next and probably onto MSCE
eventually. However, I want to get a job after my next certification. So,
MCP is definitely in my future, but will CCNA be more helpful in getting a
job right now?
Let me give you some background. I'm 43 years old and I've had a passion for
computers all my life. I have three and a half years of college but no
degree. I've been a successful real estate broker for many years but my
heart has never been into it. It's been like being married to a woman I
don't love and yet I have a mistress, IT. I've been building PCs and working
on them since the mid 80's and I started a small computer repair/consulting
business out of my home in 1992. During the last couple of years the demand
for my PC and networking expertise has exceeded the demand for my real
estate expertise. I've decided to follow my heart and do IT work only.
However, I don't really like being self employed. Many of my customers are
friends or family and I never charge as much as I should and then there's
the book keeping that I hate, calls for tech help at all hours, etc. etc. I
want to get a full time job working in the IT field and I need to make at
least $45K/year starting out. Since I lack a college degree and my only
experience is my part time computer business, I figured I need some
certifications to increase my prospects. The A+ was quite easy for me. I had
to study more for Network+ but I easily passed. After the next cert, I will
start sending out resumes in search of a real job in the business I love.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Steve Smith
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| Delbert Matlock 2003-03-10, 7:24 am |
| "Steve Smith" <s.w.smithREMOVECAPS@cox.net> wrote in message news:<wMTaa.181061$4F3.11223516@news2.east.cox.net>...
> I have A+ and I just got Network+. I need some advice about which
> certification to get next, MCP or CCNA? Since I just got done studying for
> Net+, I feel like I'm probably half way to CCNA. But, Windows 2000
> Pro(70-210) would be just as attainable for me or probably more so. What's
> more likely to land me a decent job, (A+, Network+ and CCNA) or (A+,
> Network+ and MCP)? I intend to go for MSCA next and probably onto MSCE
> eventually. However, I want to get a job after my next certification. So,
> MCP is definitely in my future, but will CCNA be more helpful in getting a
> job right now?
You are probably better off going for an MCP than a CCNA. There are
more jobs out there running servers (Microsoft) than routers (Cisco).
There is another reason for doing the MCP first. With your A+ and
Network+, you only need three tests to earn an MCSA. This
certification will look a lot better on your resume than just the MCP.
In the longer term, you'll want to continue on upgrading your
certification level. These days, the certifications mainly just get
you in the door for an interview. It's the knowledge you show you
possess that will get you the job.
To see how you can leverage for A+ and Network+ to move on upward in
your certifications, take a look here:
http://www.selfstudycerts.com/10step/
Good luck!
-- Delbert Matlock
-- MCSE, MCSA, MCDBA, CCNA, Network+, A+
-- http://www.SelfStudyCerts.com/
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| HHHTheGame 2003-03-10, 10:24 am |
| I would say the MCSA would be the better route right now. The A+ and N+
will prepare you for only about 5% of the CCNA exam. It is a TOUGH
exam. I would say it was even harder then the 70-216 exam. The main
part of the CCNA exam are the router simulations. You get no hints at
all, so you need to know exactly what lines of code go in what order or
you'll pretty much fail the exam. Not to scare you, but that's why
Cisco exams are considered some of the hardest to get.
HHHTheGame
"Steve Smith" <s.w.smithREMOVECAPS@cox.net> wrote in
news:wMTaa.181061$4F3.11223516@news2.east.cox.net:
> I have A+ and I just got Network+. I need some advice about which
> certification to get next, MCP or CCNA? Since I just got done
> studying for Net+, I feel like I'm probably half way to CCNA. But,
> Windows 2000 Pro(70-210) would be just as attainable for me or
> probably more so. What's more likely to land me a decent job, (A+,
> Network+ and CCNA) or (A+, Network+ and MCP)? I intend to go for MSCA
> next and probably onto MSCE eventually. However, I want to get a job
> after my next certification. So, MCP is definitely in my future, but
> will CCNA be more helpful in getting a job right now?
>
> Let me give you some background. I'm 43 years old and I've had a
> passion for computers all my life. I have three and a half years of
> college but no degree. I've been a successful real estate broker for
> many years but my heart has never been into it. It's been like being
> married to a woman I don't love and yet I have a mistress, IT. I've
> been building PCs and working on them since the mid 80's and I started
> a small computer repair/consulting business out of my home in 1992.
> During the last couple of years the demand for my PC and networking
> expertise has exceeded the demand for my real estate expertise. I've
> decided to follow my heart and do IT work only. However, I don't
> really like being self employed. Many of my customers are friends or
> family and I never charge as much as I should and then there's the
> book keeping that I hate, calls for tech help at all hours, etc. etc.
> I want to get a full time job working in the IT field and I need to
> make at least $45K/year starting out. Since I lack a college degree
> and my only experience is my part time computer business, I figured I
> need some certifications to increase my prospects. The A+ was quite
> easy for me. I had to study more for Network+ but I easily passed.
> After the next cert, I will start sending out resumes in search of a
> real job in the business I love. Any advice would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Steve Smith
>
>
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| Politician Spock 2003-03-10, 11:25 am |
| Finish your degree. It is may not have more immediately value than a
certification, but it's value last a lot longer than a certification does.
Certifications only have value while the product you are certified on is in
demand. In the IT world, that is usually a few years.
--
"Steve Smith" <s.w.smithREMOVECAPS@cox.net> wrote in message
news:wMTaa.181061$4F3.11223516@news2.east.cox.net...
> I have A+ and I just got Network+. I need some advice about which
> certification to get next, MCP or CCNA? Since I just got done studying
for
> Net+, I feel like I'm probably half way to CCNA. But, Windows 2000
> Pro(70-210) would be just as attainable for me or probably more so. What's
> more likely to land me a decent job, (A+, Network+ and CCNA) or (A+,
> Network+ and MCP)? I intend to go for MSCA next and probably onto MSCE
> eventually. However, I want to get a job after my next certification. So,
> MCP is definitely in my future, but will CCNA be more helpful in getting a
> job right now?
>
> Let me give you some background. I'm 43 years old and I've had a passion
for
> computers all my life. I have three and a half years of college but no
> degree. I've been a successful real estate broker for many years but my
> heart has never been into it. It's been like being married to a woman I
> don't love and yet I have a mistress, IT. I've been building PCs and
working
> on them since the mid 80's and I started a small computer
repair/consulting
> business out of my home in 1992. During the last couple of years the
demand
> for my PC and networking expertise has exceeded the demand for my real
> estate expertise. I've decided to follow my heart and do IT work only.
> However, I don't really like being self employed. Many of my customers are
> friends or family and I never charge as much as I should and then there's
> the book keeping that I hate, calls for tech help at all hours, etc. etc.
I
> want to get a full time job working in the IT field and I need to make at
> least $45K/year starting out. Since I lack a college degree and my only
> experience is my part time computer business, I figured I need some
> certifications to increase my prospects. The A+ was quite easy for me. I
had
> to study more for Network+ but I easily passed. After the next cert, I
will
> start sending out resumes in search of a real job in the business I love.
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Steve Smith
>
>
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| rat scabies 2003-03-10, 12:25 pm |
| what the XXXX would you know 
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu3ba.511$lf3.103162@cletus.bright.net...
> Finish your degree. It is may not have more immediately value than a
> certification, but it's value last a lot longer than a certification does.
> Certifications only have value while the product you are certified on is
in
> demand. In the IT world, that is usually a few years.
>
> --
>
> "Steve Smith" <s.w.smithREMOVECAPS@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:wMTaa.181061$4F3.11223516@news2.east.cox.net...
> > I have A+ and I just got Network+. I need some advice about which
> > certification to get next, MCP or CCNA? Since I just got done studying
> for
> > Net+, I feel like I'm probably half way to CCNA. But, Windows 2000
> > Pro(70-210) would be just as attainable for me or probably more so.
What's
> > more likely to land me a decent job, (A+, Network+ and CCNA) or (A+,
> > Network+ and MCP)? I intend to go for MSCA next and probably onto MSCE
> > eventually. However, I want to get a job after my next certification.
So,
> > MCP is definitely in my future, but will CCNA be more helpful in getting
a
> > job right now?
> >
> > Let me give you some background. I'm 43 years old and I've had a passion
> for
> > computers all my life. I have three and a half years of college but no
> > degree. I've been a successful real estate broker for many years but my
> > heart has never been into it. It's been like being married to a woman I
> > don't love and yet I have a mistress, IT. I've been building PCs and
> working
> > on them since the mid 80's and I started a small computer
> repair/consulting
> > business out of my home in 1992. During the last couple of years the
> demand
> > for my PC and networking expertise has exceeded the demand for my real
> > estate expertise. I've decided to follow my heart and do IT work only.
> > However, I don't really like being self employed. Many of my customers
are
> > friends or family and I never charge as much as I should and then
there's
> > the book keeping that I hate, calls for tech help at all hours, etc.
etc.
> I
> > want to get a full time job working in the IT field and I need to make
at
> > least $45K/year starting out. Since I lack a college degree and my only
> > experience is my part time computer business, I figured I need some
> > certifications to increase my prospects. The A+ was quite easy for me. I
> had
> > to study more for Network+ but I easily passed. After the next cert, I
> will
> > start sending out resumes in search of a real job in the business I
love.
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Steve Smith
> >
> >
>
>
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| Steve Smith 2003-03-10, 5:24 pm |
| Thanks Delbert, HHHTheGame and Spock for the excellent advice.
Steve Smith
| |
| robert tourangeau 2003-03-11, 12:24 pm |
| I agree with you, but you can do both at the same time.
This is what I'm doing.
Robert Tourangeau
MCP Win2k Pro & Serv.
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
news: uu3ba.511$lf3.103162@cletus.bright.net...
> Finish your degree. It is may not have more immediately value than a
> certification, but it's value last a lot longer than a certification does.
> Certifications only have value while the product you are certified on is
in
> demand. In the IT world, that is usually a few years.
>
> --
>
> "Steve Smith" <s.w.smithREMOVECAPS@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:wMTaa.181061$4F3.11223516@news2.east.cox.net...
> > I have A+ and I just got Network+. I need some advice about which
> > certification to get next, MCP or CCNA? Since I just got done studying
> for
> > Net+, I feel like I'm probably half way to CCNA. But, Windows 2000
> > Pro(70-210) would be just as attainable for me or probably more so.
What's
> > more likely to land me a decent job, (A+, Network+ and CCNA) or (A+,
> > Network+ and MCP)? I intend to go for MSCA next and probably onto MSCE
> > eventually. However, I want to get a job after my next certification.
So,
> > MCP is definitely in my future, but will CCNA be more helpful in getting
a
> > job right now?
> >
> > Let me give you some background. I'm 43 years old and I've had a passion
> for
> > computers all my life. I have three and a half years of college but no
> > degree. I've been a successful real estate broker for many years but my
> > heart has never been into it. It's been like being married to a woman I
> > don't love and yet I have a mistress, IT. I've been building PCs and
> working
> > on them since the mid 80's and I started a small computer
> repair/consulting
> > business out of my home in 1992. During the last couple of years the
> demand
> > for my PC and networking expertise has exceeded the demand for my real
> > estate expertise. I've decided to follow my heart and do IT work only.
> > However, I don't really like being self employed. Many of my customers
are
> > friends or family and I never charge as much as I should and then
there's
> > the book keeping that I hate, calls for tech help at all hours, etc.
etc.
> I
> > want to get a full time job working in the IT field and I need to make
at
> > least $45K/year starting out. Since I lack a college degree and my only
> > experience is my part time computer business, I figured I need some
> > certifications to increase my prospects. The A+ was quite easy for me. I
> had
> > to study more for Network+ but I easily passed. After the next cert, I
> will
> > start sending out resumes in search of a real job in the business I
love.
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Steve Smith
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Brian 2003-03-15, 10:24 pm |
| "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu3ba.511$lf3.103162@cletus.bright.net...
> Finish your degree.
Amen to that. For years we were able to compete in the market with degrees,
but the climate has really changed, and more and more, employers are looking
for the almighty piece of paper. Get it in MIS or CIS or whatever, but just
get it! I also recommend that people start to leverage their skill sets by
learning a programming language or two. And learn Unix!
| |
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| absolutely. degree lasts for good. however, most of the guys here are
incapable of staying and studying at univerties, and that's y they r here in
this room talking about "get this first or get that one first...". if u have
a degree, u know how easy it's to get certified for certain products, and u
wouldn't spend your time here talking about this shxx!
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu3ba.511$lf3.103162@cletus.bright.net...
> Finish your degree. It is may not have more immediately value than a
> certification, but it's value last a lot longer than a certification does.
> Certifications only have value while the product you are certified on is
in
> demand. In the IT world, that is usually a few years.
>
> --
>
> "Steve Smith" <s.w.smithREMOVECAPS@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:wMTaa.181061$4F3.11223516@news2.east.cox.net...
> > I have A+ and I just got Network+. I need some advice about which
> > certification to get next, MCP or CCNA? Since I just got done studying
> for
> > Net+, I feel like I'm probably half way to CCNA. But, Windows 2000
> > Pro(70-210) would be just as attainable for me or probably more so.
What's
> > more likely to land me a decent job, (A+, Network+ and CCNA) or (A+,
> > Network+ and MCP)? I intend to go for MSCA next and probably onto MSCE
> > eventually. However, I want to get a job after my next certification.
So,
> > MCP is definitely in my future, but will CCNA be more helpful in getting
a
> > job right now?
> >
> > Let me give you some background. I'm 43 years old and I've had a passion
> for
> > computers all my life. I have three and a half years of college but no
> > degree. I've been a successful real estate broker for many years but my
> > heart has never been into it. It's been like being married to a woman I
> > don't love and yet I have a mistress, IT. I've been building PCs and
> working
> > on them since the mid 80's and I started a small computer
> repair/consulting
> > business out of my home in 1992. During the last couple of years the
> demand
> > for my PC and networking expertise has exceeded the demand for my real
> > estate expertise. I've decided to follow my heart and do IT work only.
> > However, I don't really like being self employed. Many of my customers
are
> > friends or family and I never charge as much as I should and then
there's
> > the book keeping that I hate, calls for tech help at all hours, etc.
etc.
> I
> > want to get a full time job working in the IT field and I need to make
at
> > least $45K/year starting out. Since I lack a college degree and my only
> > experience is my part time computer business, I figured I need some
> > certifications to increase my prospects. The A+ was quite easy for me. I
> had
> > to study more for Network+ but I easily passed. After the next cert, I
> will
> > start sending out resumes in search of a real job in the business I
love.
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Steve Smith
> >
> >
>
>
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| dexter 2003-03-22, 12:25 pm |
| CCNA is nice i'm studying it and it's hard but fun.
"Steve Smith" <s.w.smithREMOVECAPS@cox.net> schreef in bericht
news:Sl8ba.190120$4F3.11457308@news2.east.cox.net...
> Thanks Delbert, HHHTheGame and Spock for the excellent advice.
>
> Steve Smith
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