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Security Clearance
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| These days there are a lot of high tech jobs in Defense industry. One of the
requirement is security clearance. Following is the typical line in job
description.
"This position requires a Department of Defense Secret level security
clearance. Candidates with this clearance need apply."
Anybody out there who understand all this can shed some light on this
subject matter.
How can I get the security clearance?
Is there any private company or govt. agency who help me to get security
clearance?
Thanks in advance.
Network Engineer.
**************************
Life is all about helping each other.
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| Typically, you have to have a sponsor to get a Security Clearance.
Background investigations are done by the Defense Security Service and they
can take up to a year and easily cost $20K or more. This can depend on the
level of clearance and depth of the investigation. Some Defense Contractors
will try and get over by only hiring people that are already cleared.
Myself for instance. I recently retired from the military and left with an
active clearance.
I don't believe that you can just request a clearance because you want one.
The normal process is to get hired by a government agency or associated
contractor and have them request the investigation on you. I've seen newly
hired personnel sit around for months waiting for their clearances to come
through. You can probably find more information at DSS' web site
www.dss.mil.
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| Kenner Costen 2003-11-21, 2:24 am |
| When you APPLY to the company, you will be introduced to someone from the
Federal Investigations Bureau (not FBI) who will hand you a package of
papers you will fill out, then depending on your history,moves etc, they
will dig through it all and eventually grant you one ro deny you one.
They will talk to EVERYONE you list, ex-bosses etc etc etc. And anyone that
has reason to can say the wrong thing and poof not granted. But if you are a
fine up right model cit, you can get one. Even if your a felon etc etc.
"NAS" <sweet-home@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> These days there are a lot of high tech jobs in Defense industry. One of
the
> requirement is security clearance. Following is the typical line in job
> description.
> "This position requires a Department of Defense Secret level security
> clearance. Candidates with this clearance need apply."
>
> Anybody out there who understand all this can shed some light on this
> subject matter.
>
> How can I get the security clearance?
> Is there any private company or govt. agency who help me to get security
> clearance?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Network Engineer.
>
> **************************
> Life is all about helping each other.
>
>
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| JasonW 2003-11-21, 12:25 pm |
| Some companies would rather that you already have an "active" clearance. I
haven't been able to afford it on my own (I'm told it costs around $1000),
so I haven't pursued it.
Here are sites I found dealing with it:
http://www.uaf.edu/adminsvc/FSO/sf86.html (Steps for applying for clearance
at DSS)
http://www.dss.mil/epsq/index.htm (Defense Security Service "DSS")
http://technology.monster.com/articles/defenserelated/ (General info from
Monster.com about clearances and working for the Defense Dept)
-JasonW
"Kenner Costen" <kenner.costen@cox.net> wrote in message
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> When you APPLY to the company, you will be introduced to someone from the
> Federal Investigations Bureau (not FBI) who will hand you a package of
> papers you will fill out, then depending on your history,moves etc, they
> will dig through it all and eventually grant you one ro deny you one.
>
> They will talk to EVERYONE you list, ex-bosses etc etc etc. And anyone
that
> has reason to can say the wrong thing and poof not granted. But if you are
a
> fine up right model cit, you can get one. Even if your a felon etc etc.
>
>
>
> "NAS" <sweet-home@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Nogvb.99775$p9.72582@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> the
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>
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| Fuse News 2003-11-21, 1:25 pm |
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"NAS" <sweet-home@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> These days there are a lot of high tech jobs in Defense industry. One of
the
> requirement is security clearance. Following is the typical line in job
> description.
> "This position requires a Department of Defense Secret level security
> clearance. Candidates with this clearance need apply."
>
> Anybody out there who understand all this can shed some light on this
> subject matter.
>
> How can I get the security clearance?
> Is there any private company or govt. agency who help me to get security
> clearance?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Network Engineer.
>
> **************************
> Life is all about helping each other.
>
>
I was extremely fed up by this requirement. I did a lot of research to find
out how to get these security clearances. When I finally just called one of
the contacts for a job, I was told that the ONLY way you can get a clearance
is if your employer has a deal worked out with the US government to assign
these clearances to you. You can't get the clearance without the job...you
can't get the job without the clearance. I just said screw them.
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"Fuse News" <tim_mclean_j@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I was extremely fed up by this requirement. I did a lot of research to
find
> out how to get these security clearances. When I finally just called one
of
> the contacts for a job, I was told that the ONLY way you can get a
clearance
> is if your employer has a deal worked out with the US government to assign
> these clearances to you. You can't get the clearance without the
job...you
> can't get the job without the clearance. I just said screw them.
>
>
This brings up another aspect of the system. DSS only manages background
investigations, they don't issue security clearances (except for their own
employees). Each service or agency is responsible for reviewing the
investigation report and granting security clearances to its own employees.
The real problem here is that it takes so long complete a single scope
background investigation (SSBI), required for Top Secret access, that a new
employee might wait months before they can go to work. Most contractors
can't afford to hire someone they can't put to work immediately.
You might have better luck applying for DEU (open to the general public)
positions with government agencies. If you are highly qualified they might
be willing to hire you pending clearance. The problem here is that you are
competing with current government employees, military retirees, and veterans
who are experienced and already have clearances.
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| Kenner Costen 2003-11-23, 2:24 am |
| I had a clearance, let it lapse. I got hired by a firm and sat at a desk
answering the phone for the 7 months to get it all redone. Was sweet, 7
months, 8 hrs a day at a desk waiting on a phone to ring. Contract lasted a
total of 12 months so by the time I was cleared, and issued, that was
another month so 8 months down. Had to do 1 month of field training... So in
the end I did 2 months on site and 1 month cleaning out offices.
And all because the contract said they had to have XYZ number of people to
meet contract. We had to have 12 people, had 8 "pending" and 4 in secure
areas. Welcome to goverment spending at its finest.
"JBS" <noone@thisdontwork.net> wrote in message
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> "Fuse News" <tim_mclean_j@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> find
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> of
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> job...you
> This brings up another aspect of the system. DSS only manages background
> investigations, they don't issue security clearances (except for their own
> employees). Each service or agency is responsible for reviewing the
> investigation report and granting security clearances to its own
employees.
> The real problem here is that it takes so long complete a single scope
> background investigation (SSBI), required for Top Secret access, that a
new
> employee might wait months before they can go to work. Most contractors
> can't afford to hire someone they can't put to work immediately.
>
> You might have better luck applying for DEU (open to the general public)
> positions with government agencies. If you are highly qualified they
might
> be willing to hire you pending clearance. The problem here is that you
are
> competing with current government employees, military retirees, and
veterans
> who are experienced and already have clearances.
>
>
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| Well if you recently retired then you upon retiring no longer have a active security clearance
the terminate your clearence at retirement unless the company hired you before you retired.
I too recently retired andit was terminated at retirement. however the company can and normally reactivate the
clearence for much less and much faster.
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:44:50 GMT, "JBS" <noone@thisdontwork.net> wrote:
>Typically, you have to have a sponsor to get a Security Clearance.
>Background investigations are done by the Defense Security Service and they
>can take up to a year and easily cost $20K or more. This can depend on the
>level of clearance and depth of the investigation. Some Defense Contractors
>will try and get over by only hiring people that are already cleared.
>Myself for instance. I recently retired from the military and left with an
>active clearance.
>
>I don't believe that you can just request a clearance because you want one.
>The normal process is to get hired by a government agency or associated
>contractor and have them request the investigation on you. I've seen newly
>hired personnel sit around for months waiting for their clearances to come
>through. You can probably find more information at DSS' web site
>www.dss.mil.
>
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| I was told by my Security Manager that clearances can normally be
reactivated for 2 years after leaving service.
"stew" <Im@thefair.com> wrote in message
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> Well if you recently retired then you upon retiring no longer have a
active security clearance
> the terminate your clearence at retirement unless the company hired you
before you retired.
> I too recently retired andit was terminated at retirement. however the
company can and normally reactivate the
> clearence for much less and much faster.
>
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