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Re: Is MCSE worth pursuing? NO
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| mcse@aol.com 2003-11-05, 10:25 pm |
| I acquired an MCSE a year ago and have found it nearly impossible to
get an IT job as a result. Employers want seasoned professionals that
can hit the ground running - not the proverbial paper-cert, such as
myself. Do yourself a favor (and save a TON of cash) - learn by
experience; and whatever you do - STAY AWAY FROM "EXAM GUIDES" i.e.
TestKing, etc. They greatly inhibit your ability to learn the
material, and (IMO) are analogous to cheating.
So far as credentials go, of much greater value is a BS AND a cert or
two (preferrably CISCO). Like everything Microsoft, their
certification program is designed to generate revenue, and little
more. Further, in the IT industry, they are commonly considered a
joke.
AN MCSE AND REGRETTING IT
On 21 Oct 2003 21:59:35 -0700, baax5@hotmail.com (Steve Young) wrote:
>I'm an expert on digital photography and roller coasters but I want to
>be cool and learn computers and shit.
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| <mcse@aol.com> wrote in message
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> So far as credentials go, of much greater value is a BS AND a cert or
> two (preferrably CISCO). Like everything Microsoft, their
> certification program is designed to generate revenue, and little
> more. Further, in the IT industry, they are commonly considered a
> joke.
You've hit the nail on the head. If you're going to make it in IT, while
working for other people, you HAVE TO HAVE A DEGREE. Period. The good old
days are over in IT. I hate to say the word, but it's a new PARADIGM. And
the worst part, it still isn't even all that easy even if you do have a
degree. There are far more people than there are jobs right now, and
Corporate America has the pick of the litter, as it were. But a degree is a
good investment if you want a job of any kind. This wasn't the case for the
past twenty years, but now things have come full circle. It's amazing how
many people don't get it. Especially in this newsgroup.
The MCP Magazine Salary Survey is a LIE!
Fred
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| angient 2003-11-08, 1:25 am |
| mcse@aol.com wrote in message news:< mrcjqvgtif1vnkiq8qodo3iquuka0l
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> I acquired an MCSE a year ago and have found it nearly impossible to
> get an IT job as a result. Employers want seasoned professionals that
> can hit the ground running - not the proverbial paper-cert, such as
> myself. Do yourself a favor (and save a TON of cash) - learn by
> experience; and whatever you do - STAY AWAY FROM "EXAM GUIDES" i.e.
> TestKing, etc. They greatly inhibit your ability to learn the
> material, and (IMO) are analogous to cheating.
>
> So far as credentials go, of much greater value is a BS AND a cert or
> two (preferrably CISCO). Like everything Microsoft, their
> certification program is designed to generate revenue, and little
> more. Further, in the IT industry, they are commonly considered a
> joke.
>
> AN MCSE AND REGRETTING IT
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> On 21 Oct 2003 21:59:35 -0700, baax5@hotmail.com (Steve Young) wrote:
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Dont like your MCSE cert, throw it away. There'll be less competition,
isnt that your goal from what you posted. You are trying to discourage
people from getting their certs by telling them that there are no jobs
out there. Could it be possible that you want to discourage a few to
leave more jobs open? a cert is a good way to get your foot in the
door. a certification is better than no certification, even if its
just the mcp.
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| mcse@aol.com 2003-11-08, 10:25 am |
| On 7 Nov 2003 22:16:40 -0800, angesq21@hotmail.com (angient) wrote:
>Dont like your MCSE cert, throw it away. There'll be less competition,
>isnt that your goal from what you posted. You are trying to discourage
>people from getting their certs by telling them that there are no jobs
>out there. Could it be possible that you want to discourage a few to
>leave more jobs open? a cert is a good way to get your foot in the
>door. a certification is better than no certification, even if its
>just the mcp.
Just my opinion based on experience.
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| JasonW 2003-11-08, 8:25 pm |
| <mcse@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On 7 Nov 2003 22:16:40 -0800, angesq21@hotmail.com (angient) wrote:
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> Just my opinion based on experience.
I've got the BS degree and two AAS degrees in IT, network administration,
and telecommunications, plus CCNA, Network+, and A+, and 8 years of general
IT experience. Can't seem to even get a simple tech support position. I've
seen MCSE or at least MCP required by some postings, so all my experience
and degrees don't seem to amount to a hill of beans without those acronyms.
Others want years of specific experience in a particular area, so my more
generalized experience doesn't count. The current times are very frustrating
and make me want to pursue some kind of entrepreneurial direction, but that
takes quite a bit of drive and savvy to pull off. In the mean time, I try to
keep my skills alive. I'd still like to get the MCSE just to prove to myself
that I still have the know-how.
-JasonW
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| On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 01:09:43 GMT, "JasonW" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>I've got the BS degree and two AAS degrees in IT, network administration,
>and telecommunications, plus CCNA, Network+, and A+, and 8 years of general
>IT experience. Can't seem to even get a simple tech support position. I've
>seen MCSE or at least MCP required by some postings, so all my experience
>and degrees don't seem to amount to a hill of beans without those acronyms.
>Others want years of specific experience in a particular area, so my more
>generalized experience doesn't count. The current times are very frustrating
>and make me want to pursue some kind of entrepreneurial direction, but that
>takes quite a bit of drive and savvy to pull off. In the mean time, I try to
>keep my skills alive. I'd still like to get the MCSE just to prove to myself
>that I still have the know-how.
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>-JasonW
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Focus on small non-IT companies (large enough to have a small IT
support staff). They seem to value multi-talented non-specialized
people. At least that has been my experience. I finally landed one
with a small (one facility) product distribution business.
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