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Pops

2003-10-07, 10:25 pm

I am the lead PC Technician for a large multi hospital network of about 1000
pc's with 3 locations plus 45 Doctors offices. We recently went through a
reduction in force and lost a couple of PC Techs. We are struggling to keep
up with the work load now.

My superiors are talking about adding another PC Tech but they are having a
hard time convincing administration. Right now we have 3 PC Technicians.

Several months ago I saw a post on this newsgroup that said 4 PC Technicians
is sort of an industry standard for a network with about 1000 pc's.

I would appreciate it if some of you Network Administrator types and PC
Technicians would weigh in here and let me know what you think about our
staffing. I would also like to know how your organization is staffed.

Thanks

Pops
A+
Network+

127.0.0.1

2003-10-08, 3:27 pm

"Pops" <whstephe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:73Kgb.26818$9a7.23151@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> I am the lead PC Technician for a large multi hospital network of about
1000
> pc's with 3 locations plus 45 Doctors offices. We recently went through a
> reduction in force and lost a couple of PC Techs. We are struggling to
keep
> up with the work load now.
>
> My superiors are talking about adding another PC Tech but they are having
a
> hard time convincing administration. Right now we have 3 PC Technicians.
>
> Several months ago I saw a post on this newsgroup that said 4 PC
Technicians
> is sort of an industry standard for a network with about 1000 pc's.
>
> I would appreciate it if some of you Network Administrator types and PC
> Technicians would weigh in here and let me know what you think about our
> staffing. I would also like to know how your organization is staffed.
>
> Thanks
>
> Pops
> A+
> Network+

I interviewed a few months ago for a job at a university were it was a
single technician position that serviced over 500 pc's and also
administrative support. the usual certs was a prerequisite (MCSE, CCNA, A+,
Network +) and paid $12.50/hour. (I was too old/over qualified for the job)

when I worked for lucent R&D/manufacturing , they kept 2 techs and 3 network
engineers to support a diverse group of over 1000 endusers. (it was
originally 3 techs and 6 engineers).

how busy is your department? are you doing a migration or just simple
upgrading old units for new? normally pc's aren't fixed, they are replaced
with new from the vender.

a little rant from the 2001 layoffs:
when a building was closing down, one of the development group residing
there were in the process of transferring to our building. and so we setup
100 of the 300 new pc's and network connections. there was an argument to
which rooms had jurisdictions of whatever development group. so we re-setup
in different rooms. then a week rolls by and corporate decides to just lay
them all off. so we are instructed to destroy the brand new pc's and
monitors. ouch.

-a|ex

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2003-10-08, 3:27 pm

SuperTech

2003-10-09, 8:26 pm

"Pops" <whstephe@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:73Kgb.26818$9a7.23151@bignews6.bellsouth.net:

> I am the lead PC Technician for a large multi hospital network of
> about 1000 pc's with 3 locations plus 45 Doctors offices. We
> recently went through a reduction in force and lost a couple of PC
> Techs. We are struggling to keep up with the work load now.
>
> My superiors are talking about adding another PC Tech but they are
> having a hard time convincing administration. Right now we have 3
> PC Technicians.
>
> Several months ago I saw a post on this newsgroup that said 4 PC
> Technicians is sort of an industry standard for a network with
> about 1000 pc's.
>
> I would appreciate it if some of you Network Administrator types
> and PC Technicians would weigh in here and let me know what you
> think about our staffing. I would also like to know how your
> organization is staffed.

Wow, at our hospital we have about 700 PCs (plus some vendor PCs), a
staff of 5 PC Techs, and 3 network admins.

SuperTech

David Iverson

2003-10-09, 11:25 pm

How many Superiors do you need for 3 PC techs? Tell administration to fire
one of them and hire 2 techs to replace them. BTW, what county are you
located in?
"Pops" <whstephe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:73Kgb.26818$9a7.23151@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> I am the lead PC Technician for a large multi hospital network of about
1000
> pc's with 3 locations plus 45 Doctors offices. We recently went through a
> reduction in force and lost a couple of PC Techs. We are struggling to
keep
> up with the work load now.
>
> My superiors are talking about adding another PC Tech but they are having
a
> hard time convincing administration. Right now we have 3 PC Technicians.
>
> Several months ago I saw a post on this newsgroup that said 4 PC
Technicians
> is sort of an industry standard for a network with about 1000 pc's.
>
> I would appreciate it if some of you Network Administrator types and PC
> Technicians would weigh in here and let me know what you think about our
> staffing. I would also like to know how your organization is staffed.
>
> Thanks
>
> Pops
> A+
> Network+
>
>
>

Roy Vij

2003-10-10, 5:25 am

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:53:07 -0500, "Pops" <whstephe@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I am the lead PC Technician for a large multi hospital network of about 1000
>pc's with 3 locations plus 45 Doctors offices. We recently went through a
>reduction in force and lost a couple of PC Techs. We are struggling to keep
>up with the work load now.
>
>My superiors are talking about adding another PC Tech but they are having a
>hard time convincing administration. Right now we have 3 PC Technicians.
>
>Several months ago I saw a post on this newsgroup that said 4 PC Technicians
>is sort of an industry standard for a network with about 1000 pc's.
>
>I would appreciate it if some of you Network Administrator types and PC
>Technicians would weigh in here and let me know what you think about our
>staffing. I would also like to know how your organization is staffed.
>
>Thanks
>
>Pops
>A+
>Network+
>
>
>
It depends on the competence and experience of the techs you hire. I
use to handle 200 PCs on a Novell LAN/WAN network. When I left they
replaced me with 2 techs. After I trained them one of them slandered
me to my boss and I haven't found decent work since. Sorry for the
rant every time I remember this it pisses me off. Just goes to show
you don't have to be good you just have to bullshit people and they
like that better than competent work and people believe anything
negative about a person even if it is not true.

Roy
CCNA, MCSE and CNA

Developwebsites

2003-10-21, 2:28 pm

>were it was a
>single technician position that serviced over 500 pc's and also
>administrative support. the usual certs was a prerequisite (MCSE, CCNA, A+,
>Network +) and paid $12.50/hour. (I was too old/over qualified for the job)

is this a joke?
500 Pcs, all those certs costing hundreds of dollars and hours of study, and it
pays only $12.50/hour?!
time to apply to Dominoes for pizza delivery, atleast you dont pay taxes on
your tips.
PS: so how old are you?

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2003-10-22, 10:27 am

"Developwebsites" <developwebsites@aol.combatSPAM> wrote in message
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> >were it was a
> >single technician position that serviced over 500 pc's and also
> >administrative support. the usual certs was a prerequisite (MCSE, CCNA,
A+,
> >Network +) and paid $12.50/hour. (I was too old/over qualified for the
job)
>
> is this a joke?
> 500 Pcs, all those certs costing hundreds of dollars and hours of study,
and it
> pays only $12.50/hour?!
> time to apply to Dominoes for pizza delivery, atleast you dont pay taxes
on
> your tips.
> PS: so how old are you?

This doesn't sound too far from the market I live in. You can't get an
interview for any position without high level certs and with less than 10
yrs experience you can only find entry level jobs at $12-$15/hr. I don't
understand why employers require high level certs for entry level jobs or
require 3-5 yrs experience for entry level jobs.

nospam@yahoo.com

2003-10-22, 10:27 am

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:11:15 -0400, "Fuse News"
<tim_mclean_j@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Developwebsites" <developwebsites@aol.combatSPAM> wrote in message
>news:20031021133342.27697.00000868@mb-m04.aol.com...
>> >were it was a
>> >single technician position that serviced over 500 pc's and also
>> >administrative support. the usual certs was a prerequisite (MCSE, CCNA,
> A+,
>> >Network +) and paid $12.50/hour. (I was too old/over qualified for the
>job)
>>
>> is this a joke?
>> 500 Pcs, all those certs costing hundreds of dollars and hours of study,
>and it
>> pays only $12.50/hour?!
>> time to apply to Dominoes for pizza delivery, atleast you dont pay taxes
>on
>> your tips.
>> PS: so how old are you?
>
>This doesn't sound too far from the market I live in. You can't get an
>interview for any position without high level certs and with less than 10
>yrs experience you can only find entry level jobs at $12-$15/hr. I don't
>understand why employers require high level certs for entry level jobs or
>require 3-5 yrs experience for entry level jobs.
>
>
cuz they can

Fuse News

2003-10-27, 11:26 am

<nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:11:15 -0400, "Fuse News"
> <tim_mclean_j@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Developwebsites" <developwebsites@aol.combatSPAM> wrote in message
> >news:20031021133342.27697.00000868@mb-m04.aol.com...
> >> >were it was a
> >> >single technician position that serviced over 500 pc's and also
> >> >administrative support. the usual certs was a prerequisite (MCSE,
CCNA,

> >A+,
> >> >Network +) and paid $12.50/hour. (I was too old/over qualified for the
> >job)
> >>
> >> is this a joke?
> >> 500 Pcs, all those certs costing hundreds of dollars and hours of
study,
> >and it
> >> pays only $12.50/hour?!
> >> time to apply to Dominoes for pizza delivery, atleast you dont pay
taxes

> >on
> >> your tips.
> >> PS: so how old are you?
> >
> >This doesn't sound too far from the market I live in. You can't get an
> >interview for any position without high level certs and with less than 10
> >yrs experience you can only find entry level jobs at $12-$15/hr. I don't
> >understand why employers require high level certs for entry level jobs or
> >require 3-5 yrs experience for entry level jobs.
> >
> >
> cuz they can

Well said.

Kenner Costen

2003-10-28, 10:29 am

I live in Las Vegas, and the market here is horrible for most IT Pro's. Now
its killer if you code Java or C+ but good old Infrastructure people are the
red headed step children.

Consider a Hotel puts out an ad, they can define what they want and most
likely get 1000+ applications. From that they will offer $8-$10 an hour and
they will find someone out of the heap of applications to accept it.

This then crosses over to other industries, since the Hotels/Casinos draw so
many people to town, every other company looking for someone to man their
systems gets to pick between hundreds to thousands of applicants per
posting.

The sad fact is, the dot.com frenzy is dead for now. Startups with loads of
cash to throw around are gone. The whole key to getting certified is to
prove to an employeer you can do what your resume says you can do. Now real
professionals have to contend with the shit load of paper MCSE's being
churned out of the paper mills who have no experience, who will suck up the
low paying jobs and make the certification appear worthless when they can
not provide ample skills and support to their employer.

Now before someone flames me, if you get your MCSE and have no real
experience, thats great but the tests are no where close to real world and
be prepared to pay your dues learning what reality is like. It is not all
black and white like an Exam Cram book. So take an entry level job, get in
close with an old timer who can mentor you and learn your trade and in time
you will be pulling down the larger dollars.

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