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so what your all saying is im wasting my time
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| Steven 2003-08-28, 12:26 pm |
| From what i have read you are all saying that my msce cert will be a
worthless piece of paper, just like my high school diploma. If this is
the case has anyone taken their school to court for false
documentation, such as we will place you in numerous jobs etc... ? Or
are you just saying that the industry doesnt pay what it used to, in
which case instead of making 80,000 a year ill only make 30,000? If
this is the case then its still better than the alternative which in
my case was working in rest and factories for 10 bucks an hour.
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| On 28 Aug 2003 08:40:50 -0700, repsrule@startrek.net (Steven) wrote:
>From what i have read you are all saying that my msce cert will be a
>worthless piece of paper, just like my high school diploma. If this is
>the case has anyone taken their school to court for false
>documentation, such as we will place you in numerous jobs etc... ? Or
>are you just saying that the industry doesnt pay what it used to, in
>which case instead of making 80,000 a year ill only make 30,000? If
>this is the case then its still better than the alternative which in
>my case was working in rest and factories for 10 bucks an hour.
Right now, I would say that 30,000 is looking pretty good. :-) I am
to the point that I am looking for clerk-work. Office Assistant type
jobs always have "strong computer skills" listed as a requirement.
Hopefully having several certs on a resume will impress them, either
that, or they will assume you are over qualified (either that, or they
won't have any idea what MCSE means). (Either that, or I am the wrong
gender...)
I would be happy at this point, to get some sort of clerk job where I
can apply my programming skills in an unofficial manner (and perhaps
work my way up after a suitable period of time).
Of course, my situation doesn't necessarily apply to you. You may have
a lot better luck.
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We contemplate eternity
Beneath the vast indifference of heaven
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| Tolkien Reader 2003-08-28, 8:26 pm |
| Let's think about this for a minute. Most college graduates are making in
the 30's when they first graduate (exclude doctors and lawyers but the
former put in a lot of extra college years and the latter, well....) because
they don't have EXPERIENCE. That is the key to this whole thing. MCSE's
with EXPERIENCE can still find decent jobs and all the better if they have
learned some additional skills like Unix, Oracle or Cisco. You can't expect
to be a factory worker one day and nine months later expect to be designing
multi-national WANS with VPN's or setting up Certificate Authorities for SSL
and e-commerce sites.
Get the MCSE and don't wait to start getting experience. Get a job with a
local computer shop doing basics and learn from the guys that work there. I
got started as the shipping/receiving manager for a computer company and
worked my way up to service tech within a year while learning all the time
from the techs that were there. Don't grouse because you landed an entry
level job, use that to build your experience and contacts in the local
computer community. Keep your contacts up and as jobs become available you
will hear about them and can apply. Always be willing to learn new things
and don't be too proud to ask questions. One of the best ways to learn this
stuff is doing it with someone that knows the ropes and can show you the
best ways to go and what to avoid.
Just my two pennies worth.
Good Luck to you.....
"Steven" <repsrule@startrek.net> wrote in message
news:c5caaab3.0308280740.417ba73d@posting.google.com...
> From what i have read you are all saying that my msce cert will be a
> worthless piece of paper, just like my high school diploma. If this is
> the case has anyone taken their school to court for false
> documentation, such as we will place you in numerous jobs etc... ? Or
> are you just saying that the industry doesnt pay what it used to, in
> which case instead of making 80,000 a year ill only make 30,000? If
> this is the case then its still better than the alternative which in
> my case was working in rest and factories for 10 bucks an hour.
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| Jesse Meyer 2003-08-29, 2:25 am |
| Steven <repsrule@startrek.net> wrote:
> From what i have read you are all saying that my msce cert will be a
> worthless piece of paper, just like my high school diploma. If this is
> the case has anyone taken their school to court for false
> documentation, such as we will place you in numerous jobs etc... ? Or
> are you just saying that the industry doesnt pay what it used to, in
> which case instead of making 80,000 a year ill only make 30,000? If
> this is the case then its still better than the alternative which in
> my case was working in rest and factories for 10 bucks an hour.
In my area (North Central US), a MCSE gets your foot in the door,
nothing more, nothing less.
Having a foot in the door isn't a bad thing though, and if you don't
braindump the tests, you'll learn the Microsoft way of doing things,
which isn't a bad thing.
If you buy your own books, and scrounge up parts for a home lab, you'll
end up spending around $1000-$2000 for a MCSE (including the cost of the
exams), and end up spending roughly 6 months of time.
I think its worth it.
[ I value a non-braindumped MCSE over 2 years of `technical school',
but I'm currently not in a position where I'm hiring anyone.
]
~ Jesse Meyer
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| Steven 2003-08-29, 12:32 pm |
| >
> In my area (North Central US), a MCSE gets your foot in the door,
> nothing more, nothing less.
>
> Having a foot in the door isn't a bad thing though, and if you don't
> braindump the tests, you'll learn the Microsoft way of doing things,
> which isn't a bad thing.
>
> If you buy your own books, and scrounge up parts for a home lab, you'll
> end up spending around $1000-$2000 for a MCSE (including the cost of the
> exams), and end up spending roughly 6 months of time.
>
> I think its worth it.
>
> [ I value a non-braindumped MCSE over 2 years of `technical school',
> but I'm currently not in a position where I'm hiring anyone.
> ]
>
> ~ Jesse Meyer
Thanx for the clarification as long as i know everything im doing now
isnt in vain its all worth it in the long run
peace
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| "Tolkien Reader" <estervated99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Let's think about this for a minute. Most college graduates are making in
> the 30's when they first graduate (exclude doctors and lawyers but the
> former put in a lot of extra college years and the latter, well....)
because
> they don't have EXPERIENCE. That is the key to this whole thing. MCSE's
> with EXPERIENCE can still find decent jobs and all the better if they have
> learned some additional skills like Unix, Oracle or Cisco.
That's simply not true right now in many big cities in this country. There
are listings on Monster for MCSE's in Orlando for rates no higher than $12
an hour. Back in 1998, I had contracts for $100 an hour or more, and now
there are NO contracts period. Why anyone would lift a finger to get an
MCSE is beyond me.
Folks, read the writing on the wall, even if you can't read between the
lines.
This newsgroup, alt.certification.mcse, was up until a couple of years ago
an extremely high volume newsgroup. You simply could not keep up with
everything that was posted. Now on my RoadRunner server I see a total of 69
messages for the last 8 days -- less than 10 messages a day. That is only
one indicator of what has happened.
Dershya Institute in Orlando, one of the premier training centers for
prospective MCSE's, went bankrupt and out of business in April of this year,
even after becoming a franchisee of a larger chain of training centers.
There used to be waiting lists for those classes, and now there is no list.
The training centers that are still left are practically giving away class
time.
The boom years in IT are over, thanks to outsourcing, remote management
software, foreign work visas, and massive corporate budget cuts.
Go to COLLEGE, kids, and get your degree. There is NO future in being a
techie in IT. There are only management jobs left that pay decent money.
And if you are fortunate enough to still have a job that pays a ton of
money, don't think about leaving, and hope they don't pink slip your butt,
because there's nothing out there.
I logged on to the Transcender site, and couldn't help but notice the deals
they are running, and how much cheaper their software is compared to even
two years ago. I remember when Chris what's his name would chime in here
and threaten people for copying or "illegally transferring" Transcender
software. Right now they would probably favor it for just the advertising
value...
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| "Steven" <repsrule@startrek.net> wrote in message
> Thanx for the clarification as long as i know everything im doing now
> isnt in vain its all worth it in the long run
Let me help you. Your work is being done in vain. Spend your money buying
books and tuition for the almighty college degree. Don't give anymore of
your money to Microsoft. The fact that they have outsourced a great deal of
their company should speak volumes to you as to what is going on in this
country. IT may be what you love, but it won't put much bread in your
pocket or on the table.
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| 127.0.0.1 2003-08-30, 12:27 am |
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"Steven" <repsrule@startrek.net> wrote in message
news:c5caaab3.0308290726.48b9c922@posting.google.com...
> >
> > In my area (North Central US), a MCSE gets your foot in the door,
> > nothing more, nothing less.
> >
> > Having a foot in the door isn't a bad thing though, and if you don't
> > braindump the tests, you'll learn the Microsoft way of doing things,
> > which isn't a bad thing.
> >
> > If you buy your own books, and scrounge up parts for a home lab, you'll
> > end up spending around $1000-$2000 for a MCSE (including the cost of the
> > exams), and end up spending roughly 6 months of time.
> >
> > I think its worth it.
> >
> > [ I value a non-braindumped MCSE over 2 years of `technical school',
> > but I'm currently not in a position where I'm hiring anyone.
> > ]
> >
> > ~ Jesse Meyer
>
> Thanx for the clarification as long as i know everything im doing now
> isnt in vain its all worth it in the long run
> peace
this is my advice:
use that MCSE fund and go get a 4 year degree in engineering... you will
have a job waiting for you after college.
but age also has a lot to do with it. over 35 and it's over...
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| "127.0.0.1" <unavailable@spam-me.not> wrote in message
> use that MCSE fund and go get a 4 year degree in engineering... you will
> have a job waiting for you after college.
> but age also has a lot to do with it. over 35 and it's over...
True for techie type jobs, but not for management level jobs. If you have
IT experience, then go for an MIS degree and get into project management,
management, and other jobs on that level while you finish your MBA at night.
You want to track into upper management -- that's where the money is. Eat
or be eaten, folks.
The days of lucrative IT careers for techie types is OVER, I don't care what
age you are. If you want to stay in IT, get into management. Otherwise, go
into sales.
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| On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 03:51:39 GMT, "Bob" <bob@bobber.com> wrote:
>"127.0.0.1" <unavailable@spam-me.not> wrote in message
>> use that MCSE fund and go get a 4 year degree in engineering... you will
>> have a job waiting for you after college.
>> but age also has a lot to do with it. over 35 and it's over...
>
>True for techie type jobs, but not for management level jobs. If you have
>IT experience, then go for an MIS degree and get into project management,
>management, and other jobs on that level while you finish your MBA at night.
>You want to track into upper management -- that's where the money is. Eat
>or be eaten, folks.
>
>The days of lucrative IT careers for techie types is OVER, I don't care what
>age you are. If you want to stay in IT, get into management. Otherwise, go
>into sales.
>
>
I am hoping for a rich, rewarding career in the fast food industry.
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We contemplate eternity
Beneath the vast indifference of heaven
- Warren Zevon
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| 127.0.0.1 2003-08-30, 11:28 am |
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"Skip" <Skip@NoAddress.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 03:51:39 GMT, "Bob" <bob@bobber.com> wrote:
>
> >"127.0.0.1" <unavailable@spam-me.not> wrote in message
> >> use that MCSE fund and go get a 4 year degree in engineering... you
will[
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> >> have a job waiting for you after college.
> >> but age also has a lot to do with it. over 35 and it's over...
> >
> >True for techie type jobs, but not for management level jobs. If you[/color]
have
> >IT experience, then go for an MIS degree and get into project management,
> >management, and other jobs on that level while you finish your MBA at
night.
> >You want to track into upper management -- that's where the money is.
Eat
> >or be eaten, folks.
> >
> >The days of lucrative IT careers for techie types is OVER, I don't care
what
> >age you are. If you want to stay in IT, get into management. Otherwise,
go
> >into sales.
> >
> >
>
> I am hoping for a rich, rewarding career in the fast food industry.
>
>
goto college for restaurant management or a business degree.... call
nickelodeon and see how much it will be to use the rights for spongebob and
make a chain of crusty crabs across the nation.
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| inquisitiveman2002@yahoo.com 2003-08-30, 12:31 pm |
| I have to agree with 127.0.0.1, but disagree with Bob. I have an MBA
degree with MIS specialization and still doing tech support for 5 yrs
plus MCSE. Actually, i am doing desktop support and have not been
given the opportunity to even get into Network Administration. Bottom
line is that they look for your relevant experience.What i really want
to do is get a Business Analyst position but with no experience, that
is not possible. I want to follow exactly what Bob was mentioning, but
to no avail. That's why, i think it is important to get that job and
experience first. You can always go to college or get certified later.
"Bob" <bob@bobber.com> wrote in message news:<fbV3b.1892$zK3.62697@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
> "127.0.0.1" <unavailable@spam-me.not> wrote in message
> > use that MCSE fund and go get a 4 year degree in engineering... you will
> > have a job waiting for you after college.
> > but age also has a lot to do with it. over 35 and it's over...
>
> True for techie type jobs, but not for management level jobs. If you have
> IT experience, then go for an MIS degree and get into project management,
> management, and other jobs on that level while you finish your MBA at night.
> You want to track into upper management -- that's where the money is. Eat
> or be eaten, folks.
>
> The days of lucrative IT careers for techie types is OVER, I don't care what
> age you are. If you want to stay in IT, get into management. Otherwise, go
> into sales.
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| Dean S. Lautermilch®²ºº³ 2003-08-30, 2:29 pm |
|
"Bob" <bob@bobber.com> wrote in message
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> "127.0.0.1" <unavailable@spam-me.not> wrote in message
> > use that MCSE fund and go get a 4 year degree in engineering... you will
> > have a job waiting for you after college.
> > but age also has a lot to do with it. over 35 and it's over...
>
> True for techie type jobs, but not for management level jobs. If you have
> IT experience, then go for an MIS degree and get into project management,
> management, and other jobs on that level while you finish your MBA at
night.
> You want to track into upper management -- that's where the money is. Eat
> or be eaten, folks.
Upper management? Not secure there at all from what I am seeing. Project
management is easy to do from India and for the cost savings companies are
more than happy to give it a try.
Positions on higher rungs on the employment ladder are not going offshore.
There is really nothing secure in IT at this point.
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| On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:11:00 GMT, "127.0.0.1"
<unavailable@spam-me.not> wrote:
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>> >
>> >
>>
>> I am hoping for a rich, rewarding career in the fast food industry.
>>
>>
>
>goto college for restaurant management or a business degree.... call
>nickelodeon and see how much it will be to use the rights for spongebob and
>make a chain of crusty crabs across the nation.
>[/color]
Well, I was trying to decide between being a Food Preparation Engineer
and a Table Top Administrator. I was leaning towards being a Table Top
Administrator because they get to wear those spiffy uniforms and I
hear they can eat anything that falls on the floor.
However, I am now hearing that emerging technology is developing ways
to clean tables over the phone, and those jobs will be promptly
'transitioned' to India. As long as cows remain sacred over there, I
am guessing that the job of Food Preparation Engineer might be safer.
I am not too worried though. I have confidence that my elected
officials, will stop stuffing their pockets long enough to make a
thoughtful evaluation of this job outsourcing problem, and devise a
sophisticated plan to blame somebody else.
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We contemplate eternity
Beneath the vast indifference of heaven
- Warren Zevon
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| Jesse Meyer 2003-08-31, 6:28 am |
| 127.0.0.1 <unavailable@spam-me.not> wrote:
> [ Jesse Meyer wrote, but wasn't attributed: ]
>> >
>> > If you buy your own books, and scrounge up parts for a home lab, you'll
>> > end up spending around $1000-$2000 for a MCSE (including the cost of the
>> > exams), and end up spending roughly 6 months of time.
>
> this is my advice:
>
> use that MCSE fund and go get a 4 year degree in engineering... you will
> have a job waiting for you after college.
> but age also has a lot to do with it. over 35 and it's over...
Colleges costs only $500 a year?
*boggles at the concept*
*ponders how soon engineering jobs will start shifting oversees*
~ Jesse Meyer
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| 127.0.0.1 2003-08-31, 9:27 am |
|
"Jesse Meyer" <meyer@btinet.net> wrote in message
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> 127.0.0.1 <unavailable@spam-me.not> wrote:
> > [ Jesse Meyer wrote, but wasn't attributed: ]
> >> >
> >> > If you buy your own books, and scrounge up parts for a home lab,
you'll
> >> > end up spending around $1000-$2000 for a MCSE (including the cost of
the[c
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> >> > exams), and end up spending roughly 6 months of time.
> >
> > this is my advice:
> >
> > use that MCSE fund and go get a 4 year degree in engineering... you will
> > have a job waiting for you after college.
> > but age also has a lot to do with it. over 35 and it's over...
>
> Colleges costs only $500 a year?
>
> *boggles at the concept*
>
> *ponders how soon engineering jobs will start shifting oversees*
>
> ~ Jesse Meyer[/color]
the MCSE courses i took was $7k i think.. company paid
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| Steven 2003-09-01, 11:33 am |
| well going to college is out of the question. The tech school has
already been paid for. as for the food service buisness i can tell you
first hand if you enjoy long hours in a hot sweaty kitchen dealing
with morons that woud rather smoke a joint than do their job. then
maybe food service is for you but i for one wasted too many years
doing that bit for too little pay. i enjoy working around and with
computers and wasent geting that, its the reason i decided to go back
to school and get my foot in the door if thats a start then its a
bigger start than where i was. i never asked if it was going to be
easy but if i have my choice given the option id rather work
assembling pcs for dell or gateway or "no name pc company" than step
foot in another kitchen. even in upscale places ive seen filthy
condtions that would make you sick. think about that the next time
your steak comes to the table. was it A: dropped on the floor and
washed off B: a cut that was found behind the meat bin been there for
2 weeks and thrown on the grill anyhow or C: handled with the utmost
care of any trailer park trash that had taken a dump and decided he
was in too much of a hurry to wash his hands. you guys spend too much
time arguing back and forth in these posts, i asked a question and got
an answer both ways thank you for your input. BTW think about that
donut befe you eat it i wont tell you about the time i worked for
dunkin and found cigarette butts in the donut sugar, and got yelled at
for throwing it out and washing out the bin before powdering the the
fresh donuts. yummie
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| peter_walters@juno.com 2003-09-03, 12:27 pm |
| All,
By studying for and obtaining an MCSE there is no limit to how far you
can go in business and technology. With your new certificate in hand
coupled with your expert knowledge of cutting edge software the sky is
the limit for your career.
I can't believe you all you pessimists saying that this guy will never
get a job and the days of IT/IS are over. I am on a website now and
there are TONS of jobs in backend infrastructure development,
front-end form end development, and entry-level positions galore. All
I have to do is type in IT in the little search box and the server
retrieved over 5000 hits.
It is all right here: http://www.monsterindia.com/
Peter
peter_walters@juno.com
repsrule@startrek.net (Steven) wrote in message news:<c5caaab3.0308280740.417ba73d@posting.google.com>...
> From what i have read you are all saying that my msce cert will be a
> worthless piece of paper, just like my high school diploma. If this is
> the case has anyone taken their school to court for false
> documentation, such as we will place you in numerous jobs etc... ? Or
> are you just saying that the industry doesnt pay what it used to, in
> which case instead of making 80,000 a year ill only make 30,000? If
> this is the case then its still better than the alternative which in
> my case was working in rest and factories for 10 bucks an hour.
| |
| Sebastian 2003-09-03, 2:26 pm |
| Its pretty clear to me that all those pessimists are people trying to scare
people out of the industry so they have more chance to land a job....
Paper MCSE's finally that know their worth.
<peter_walters@juno.com> wrote
news:bfae731e.0309030748.3be762e8@posting.google.com...
> All,
>
> By studying for and obtaining an MCSE there is no limit to how far you
> can go in business and technology. With your new certificate in hand
> coupled with your expert knowledge of cutting edge software the sky is
> the limit for your career.
>
> I can't believe you all you pessimists saying that this guy will never
> get a job and the days of IT/IS are over. I am on a website now and
> there are TONS of jobs in backend infrastructure development,
> front-end form end development, and entry-level positions galore. All
> I have to do is type in IT in the little search box and the server
> retrieved over 5000 hits.
>
> It is all right here: http://www.monsterindia.com/
>
> Peter
> peter_walters@juno.com
>
> repsrule@startrek.net (Steven) wrote in message
news:<c5caaab3.0308280740.417ba73d@posting.google.com>...
> > From what i have read you are all saying that my msce cert will be a
> > worthless piece of paper, just like my high school diploma. If this is
> > the case has anyone taken their school to court for false
> > documentation, such as we will place you in numerous jobs etc... ? Or
> > are you just saying that the industry doesnt pay what it used to, in
> > which case instead of making 80,000 a year ill only make 30,000? If
> > this is the case then its still better than the alternative which in
> > my case was working in rest and factories for 10 bucks an hour.
| |
| auser2@verizon.net 2003-09-03, 4:26 pm |
| over 90% of the - over 5000 hits, you talk about don't end up being
filled - either they never existed in the 1st place, are just
recruiters posting, the job sites themselves do some padding just to
increase traffic to their site & increase ad rates, I know this first
hand from my & friends job search efforts
On 3 Sep 2003 08:48:39 -0700, peter_walters@juno.com
(peter_walters@juno.com) wrote:
>All,
>
>By studying for and obtaining an MCSE there is no limit to how far you
>can go in business and technology. With your new certificate in hand
>coupled with your expert knowledge of cutting edge software the sky is
>the limit for your career.
>
>I can't believe you all you pessimists saying that this guy will never
>get a job and the days of IT/IS are over. I am on a website now and
>there are TONS of jobs in backend infrastructure development,
>front-end form end development, and entry-level positions galore. All
>I have to do is type in IT in the little search box and the server
>retrieved over 5000 hits.
>
>It is all right here: http://www.monsterindia.com/
>
>Peter
>peter_walters@juno.com
>
>repsrule@startrek.net (Steven) wrote in message news:<c5caaab3.0308280740.417ba73d@posting.google.com>...
>> From what i have read you are all saying that my msce cert will be a
>> worthless piece of paper, just like my high school diploma. If this is
>> the case has anyone taken their school to court for false
>> documentation, such as we will place you in numerous jobs etc... ? Or
>> are you just saying that the industry doesnt pay what it used to, in
>> which case instead of making 80,000 a year ill only make 30,000? If
>> this is the case then its still better than the alternative which in
>> my case was working in rest and factories for 10 bucks an hour.
| |
|
| <auser2@verizon.net> wrote in message
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b5jkjfcpl@4ax.com...
> over 90% of the - over 5000 hits, you talk about don't end up being
> filled - either they never existed in the 1st place, are just
> recruiters posting, the job sites themselves do some padding just to
> increase traffic to their site & increase ad rates, I know this first
> hand from my & friends job search efforts
Are they in India? Perhaps you missed the URL...
I'll bet a one-day classified ad for a non-entry level position doesn't
generate 300 responses as it does in the US, and that's after the obviously
unsuitable responses are filtered.
At least Bush cares, the RNC's got telemarketers in Noida and Gurgaon
working hard to convince their supporters anyway.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003...2028268625.html
I suppose if they'd used 75 American workers, their fundraising would be
questioned for spending too lavishly.
> On 3 Sep 2003 08:48:39 -0700, peter_walters@juno.com
> (peter_walters@juno.com) wrote:
>
> >All,
> >
> >By studying for and obtaining an MCSE there is no limit to how far you
> >can go in business and technology. With your new certificate in hand
> >coupled with your expert knowledge of cutting edge software the sky is
> >the limit for your career.
> >
> >I can't believe you all you pessimists saying that this guy will never
> >get a job and the days of IT/IS are over. I am on a website now and
> >there are TONS of jobs in backend infrastructure development,
> >front-end form end development, and entry-level positions galore. All
> >I have to do is type in IT in the little search box and the server
> >retrieved over 5000 hits.
> >
> >It is all right here: http://www.monsterindia.com/
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| Maxxym 2003-10-31, 1:55 pm |
| Man, some of you really need to lighten up a little bit.
I don't know where you guys live that you say there is no jobs. If you keep thinking wrong way and keep being such a pesimists, of course you won't get a good job.
I don't have a MCSE or Cisco Certs, All I got is 4+ years of experience and I have a great job that I love. I do everything from NT Administration, Lotus Notes Administration to Setting up new networks, firewalls, routers etc. I make much more that some of the posts that I read here claim that the person will make starting out(30k year for example)
Go get your cert. Don't get all discouraged. It's a good thing to have. I am working on mine right now and hoping to have it by May of next year.
Jobs are out there. Not everything is going to damn India. You people need to chill out. Just look for a job and you will get one if you really put your mind to it.
What Pat said... if you study, know your stuff, YOU WILL LAND A GOOD JOB. Trust me, they are out there, you just have to look.
Setup a lab at home, buy some books and start studying. YOu will get there.
Don't listed to people who try to discourage you. Obviously this is what you want to do and that's why you posted on this board. So go for it! It will pay off. |
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