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Re: Definition: "Entry Level"?
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| Dean S. Lautermilch®²ºº³ 2003-01-16, 8:24 am |
| Two viewpoints:
The interviewer is not there to officially rate you. He/she is there to
obtain the best talent for the company at the lowest price. So by convincing
you that you are entry level, it will be a lot easier to offer you a low
salary that you would accept.
Of course each local job market is different. If there are a lot of MCSE
types looking for work then you might very well be 'entry-level' compared to
the others that being interviewed.
"smackedass" <nospamkema@capecod.net> wrote in message
news:NQyV9.12974$Dq.1296033@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Hello Again
>
> (My apologies to those who have already read this cross-posted in
> alt.certification.a-plus; I didn't get many responses there, so I figured
> that I'd try it elsewhere)
>
> I just went on an interview today. I've worked Help Desk, and slightly
> beyond, for almost 3 years, until last July. I know a bit about
networking,
> but am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I know how to
> install hard drives, memory, cards, find drivers, have a decent
> understanding of troubleshooting, and am quite familiar with the MS Office
> Suite. At my previous job, I was able to solve most users' problems most
of
> the time, without escalating to the guy above me.
>
> At the end of the interview, the interviewer, who seemed like a nice guy,
> said that he thinks that I'm "Entry Level".
>
> Huh? I tried not to take it too personally, but it did get me
> thinking...Any thoughts out there, about what constitutes "Entry Level"?
>
> smackedass
>
>
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| Jeffrey L. Woods 2003-01-16, 9:24 am |
| In article <NQyV9.12974$Dq.1296033@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
nospamkema@capecod.net says...
> At the end of the interview, the interviewer, who seemed like a nice guy,
> said that he thinks that I'm "Entry Level".
>
> Huh? I tried not to take it too personally, but it did get me
> thinking...Any thoughts out there, about what constitutes "Entry Level"?
Someone who know a bit about networking, but is not an expert by any
stretch of the imagination. Someone who knows how to install hard
drives, memory, cards, find drivers, has a decent understanding of
troubleshooting, and is quite familiar with the MS Office Suite. Is
able to solve most users' problems most of the time, without escalation.
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| Tom MacIntyre 2003-01-16, 4:24 pm |
| On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:54:53 GMT, "smackedass"
<nospamkema@capecod.net> wrote:
>Hello Again
>
>(My apologies to those who have already read this cross-posted in
>alt.certification.a-plus; I didn't get many responses there, so I figured
>that I'd try it elsewhere)
I wouldn't worry about it. I think it's only a cross-post when replies
will go to both groups, and this is not the case here.
Tom
>
>I just went on an interview today. I've worked Help Desk, and slightly
>beyond, for almost 3 years, until last July. I know a bit about networking,
>but am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I know how to
>install hard drives, memory, cards, find drivers, have a decent
>understanding of troubleshooting, and am quite familiar with the MS Office
>Suite. At my previous job, I was able to solve most users' problems most of
>the time, without escalating to the guy above me.
>
>At the end of the interview, the interviewer, who seemed like a nice guy,
>said that he thinks that I'm "Entry Level".
>
>Huh? I tried not to take it too personally, but it did get me
>thinking...Any thoughts out there, about what constitutes "Entry Level"?
>
>smackedass
>
>
>
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| Kenneth Briscoe 2003-01-16, 5:24 pm |
| It also depends on what type of job you're going after...I'm sure if you
wanted to be a nuclear physicist, you'd be considered "entry level"...so, if
you were going after a programming job, you'd be entry level.
KB
"smackedass" <nospamkema@capecod.net> wrote in message
news:NQyV9.12974$Dq.1296033@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Hello Again
>
> (My apologies to those who have already read this cross-posted in
> alt.certification.a-plus; I didn't get many responses there, so I figured
> that I'd try it elsewhere)
>
> I just went on an interview today. I've worked Help Desk, and slightly
> beyond, for almost 3 years, until last July. I know a bit about
networking,
> but am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I know how to
> install hard drives, memory, cards, find drivers, have a decent
> understanding of troubleshooting, and am quite familiar with the MS Office
> Suite. At my previous job, I was able to solve most users' problems most
of
> the time, without escalating to the guy above me.
>
> At the end of the interview, the interviewer, who seemed like a nice guy,
> said that he thinks that I'm "Entry Level".
>
> Huh? I tried not to take it too personally, but it did get me
> thinking...Any thoughts out there, about what constitutes "Entry Level"?
>
> smackedass
>
>
>
>
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| can u deliver? 2003-01-17, 6:24 am |
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You would do well and learn a lot if you can get yourself a Field Service
or Onsite IT support or Assistant Network Administrator role
or a job where u do all three.
"smackedass" <nospamkema@capecod.net> wrote in message
news:NQyV9.12974$Dq.1296033@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Hello Again
>
> (My apologies to those who have already read this cross-posted in
> alt.certification.a-plus; I didn't get many responses there, so I figured
> that I'd try it elsewhere)
>
> I just went on an interview today. I've worked Help Desk, and slightly
> beyond, for almost 3 years, until last July. I know a bit about
networking,
> but am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I know how to
> install hard drives, memory, cards, find drivers, have a decent
> understanding of troubleshooting, and am quite familiar with the MS Office
> Suite. At my previous job, I was able to solve most users' problems most
of
> the time, without escalating to the guy above me.
>
> At the end of the interview, the interviewer, who seemed like a nice guy,
> said that he thinks that I'm "Entry Level".
>
> Huh? I tried not to take it too personally, but it did get me
> thinking...Any thoughts out there, about what constitutes "Entry Level"?
>
> smackedass
>
>
>
>
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| Peter Walker 2003-01-17, 9:24 am |
| > Hello Again
>
> (My apologies to those who have already read this cross-posted in
> alt.certification.a-plus; I didn't get many responses there, so I figured
> that I'd try it elsewhere)
>
> I just went on an interview today. I've worked Help Desk, and slightly
> beyond
.... which is entry level type work
> for almost 3 years, until last July. I know a bit about networking,
> but am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination.
.... Network+ level ?
> I know how to
> install hard drives, memory, cards, find drivers,
.... A+ level ?
> have a decent
> understanding of troubleshooting, and am quite familiar with the MS Office
> Suite.
.... I'm afraid MS Suite meant nothing. Unless ofcourse you're looking for a
position as a secretary. I have MOUS myself and never mention it in
interviews. It's entry level stuff.
> At my previous job, I was able to solve most users' problems most of
> the time, without escalating to the guy above me.
>
> At the end of the interview, the interviewer, who seemed like a nice guy,
> said that he thinks that I'm "Entry Level".
>
> Huh? I tried not to take it too personally, but it did get me
> thinking...Any thoughts out there, about what constitutes "Entry Level"?
>
> smackedass
Well from what you mentioned here it all looks pretty much entry level
stuff. Being at helpdesk level 1/2 is considered entry level. Helpdesk is
something I would steer clear away from. So long as you are doing that role,
you will be considered entry level im afraid. You need to get into some
administrative role. Can you program in C/C++? Do you know how to use Unix
(and im not talking about the GUI interface within Linux). How about basic
SQL querying? Basic routing and switching knowledge? Have you done these
things outside the classroom in a work environment (not at uni). If you can
do these things then you will not be called entry level anymore.
cheers,
peter
IT is tough.
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| Entry level is different for each position/company. For some places MCSE
with 3/5 yrs experience is entry level.
I have been building my own systems for 6 years, but have no industry
experience. Currently doing work experience I have shown that I am at a
level to the guys who have been there for years and would be accepted as
mid-level.
--
RussS
MCP W2K, A+, Net+
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| Rob Hammersmith 2003-01-17, 3:24 pm |
| If you failed to convince him of your expertise in a particular field, you
left him no choice but to consider you "entry level"? Convince him you are
an experienced expert at "this and that", and then he at least could call
you "level 2" at "this and that".
--
Rob Hammersmith
MCSA, CCEA
"smackedass" <nospamkema@capecod.net> wrote in message
news:NQyV9.12974$Dq.1296033@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Hello Again
>
> (My apologies to those who have already read this cross-posted in
> alt.certification.a-plus; I didn't get many responses there, so I figured
> that I'd try it elsewhere)
>
> I just went on an interview today. I've worked Help Desk, and slightly
> beyond, for almost 3 years, until last July. I know a bit about
networking,
> but am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I know how to
> install hard drives, memory, cards, find drivers, have a decent
> understanding of troubleshooting, and am quite familiar with the MS Office
> Suite. At my previous job, I was able to solve most users' problems most
of
> the time, without escalating to the guy above me.
>
> At the end of the interview, the interviewer, who seemed like a nice guy,
> said that he thinks that I'm "Entry Level".
>
> Huh? I tried not to take it too personally, but it did get me
> thinking...Any thoughts out there, about what constitutes "Entry Level"?
>
> smackedass
>
>
>
>
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| LOSTinNIPPON 2003-01-18, 10:24 am |
| On 1/16/03 10:54 PM, in article
NQyV9.12974$Dq.1296033@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net, "smackedass"
<nospamkema@capecod.net> wrote:
> Hello Again
>
> (My apologies to those who have already read this cross-posted in
> alt.certification.a-plus; I didn't get many responses there, so I figured
> that I'd try it elsewhere)
>
> I just went on an interview today. I've worked Help Desk, and slightly
> beyond, for almost 3 years, until last July. I know a bit about networking,
> but am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I know how to
> install hard drives, memory, cards, find drivers, have a decent
> understanding of troubleshooting, and am quite familiar with the MS Office
> Suite. At my previous job, I was able to solve most users' problems most of
> the time, without escalating to the guy above me.
>
> At the end of the interview, the interviewer, who seemed like a nice guy,
> said that he thinks that I'm "Entry Level".
>
> Huh? I tried not to take it too personally, but it did get me
> thinking...Any thoughts out there, about what constitutes "Entry Level"?
>
> smackedass
>
Well wouldn't that depend on the job you where applying for? If you were
applying for say... A sysadmin position then yes, you would be entry level
or below.
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