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| Jason 2002-07-21, 10:25 pm |
| Hi everyone, i will be taking the 210 in about 10 days, i have studied
well and hard for the exam. One thing that keeps getting me is RIS
(Remote installer service). Does anyone have, or know where to find a
tutorial/guide on howto go about an install with it? My book goes through
the requirements and whatnot but doesnt go through the actual process.
Supposedbly you can even distribute the OS and all your apps at once? Any
adivce on it would be great, Thanks in advance!
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| MCSEwannabe 2002-07-22, 8:25 am |
| Jason <jkart@helpmenow.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone, i will be taking the 210 in about 10 days, i have studied
> well and hard for the exam. One thing that keeps getting me is RIS
> (Remote installer service). Does anyone have, or know where to find a
> tutorial/guide on howto go about an install with it? My book goes
> through the requirements and whatnot but doesnt go through the actual
> process. Supposedbly you can even distribute the OS and all your apps
> at once? Any adivce on it would be great, Thanks in advance!
>
I haven't gotten that far yet, but my 70-217 book has almost 100 pages on
RIS. The Pro Resource kit has about 7 pages on RIS. ( the resource kits
are online somewhere at microsoft.com )
I was surprised to see RIS pop up on my 210 practice tests. I'm studing
210/215 together and trying to get at least an overview of 216 and 217
before doing any of the tests. A couple of items came up on the 210
practice test that I would have expected for 215.
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| denis_baribeau 2002-07-22, 8:56 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Jason
Hi everyone, i will be taking the 210 in about 10 days, i have studied
well and hard for the exam. One thing that keeps getting me is RIS
(Remote installer service). Does anyone have, or know where to find a
tutorial/guide on howto go about an install with it? My book goes through
the requirements and whatnot but doesnt go through the actual process.
Supposedbly you can even distribute the OS and all your apps at once? Any
adivce on it would be great, Thanks in advance!
How often does one asked themself "I wish I had a Step by Step
Hope this help  | |
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| Hello all, my first reply/post here.
I really wanted to know about RIS. I checked around on the 'Net and found a
step by step guide to implementing RIS easily on a Win2k server. But that
was only part of what I wanted to see and play with. You might have noticed
during your studies a vague reference to PXE-enabled LAN cards.
I was intrigued with this PXE (Preboot eXecution Environment) business, and
resolved to find out more! It seems Intel with Microsoft revisited the old
Novell NET$DOS.SYS (or NET$SYS.DOS - something like that!) which enabled a
PC to load DOS from the Netware server - the so-called diskless workstation.
A good idea, and I had experience installing them.
First, I had to find out if my LAN cards installed in my home test machines
supported PXE. Ah yes, Generic RTL8139 PCI 100baseT LAN cards with boot ROM
sockets! Excellent! Now off to the manufacturer to check if they had ROM
images available for download. They did and, after battling with my 1988
vintage EPROM burner and half a dozen busted EPROMs later, I had a genuine
PXE-enabled RTL8139 LAN card.
Then it was off to search the web to find the idiot's guide to installing
RIS.
I found a good guide at http://www.jsifaq.com/SUBH/tip3800/rh3887.htm
This guide (thanks to JSI) gave me the good oil on installing RIS, and why
DNS, DHCP and Active Directory are all required. Hey, it's NOT as easy as
typing RISETUP!
Ok, after following all the instructions, I was ready to install Windows
2000 Pro on my test workstation. Keep in mind that if PXE worked as I
assumed it should, it should be able to install Windows 2000 Pro on a
workstation that has NO floppy drive, no NO CDROM drive and a HDD with NO
partition on it! It sucks all the setup info across the wire.
Win2k server running? Yep. Righto, boot the test PC. The PXE environment
kicks in after a few seconds, and immediately gets info it needs. DHCP
server returns an IP address, RIS responds, and blammo! The Win2k Pro
install is off and away, completely unattended!
VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE!
Building lots of machines? No two the same? Don't fart around with boot
floppies or special setup CDs - go straight to PXE!
My PXE enabled LAN card was a generic RTL8139 LAN card with a 27C512 EPROM
socket on it. The popular 3Com 3C905 LAN cards might be able to be used, but
the 3Com info and downloads regarding PXE is confusing to say the least.
Also, the 3Com LAN cards have a large EPROM socket, of a type I'm not
familiar with. Check with the manufacturer of your LAN card to see if it'll
support PXE, and if PXE boot ROM images are available for download. Of
course, you'll also have to be able to burn the code in to a ROM! I don't
think USB LAN cards support PXE.
Anyway, RIS, and the fun of doing a PXE build, taught me a lot. I'd
recommend it.
Mark
MCP (+server)
marximus27@hotmail.com
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| 70-228 2002-07-22, 10:25 am |
| "Mark" <marximus27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Anyway, RIS, and the fun of doing a PXE build, taught me a lot. I'd
> recommend it.
Don't forget the more useful stuff with riprep. Got 20 identical machines
that need server fully patched with lots of different software. Not
supported by M$ (thus not in the tests) but there are a few kludges you can
do to get that going nicely. Especially useful in a home lab since the post
installation stuff can be the slowest part of a set-up and you couldn't care
less about support.
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| S.O'Brien 2002-07-22, 10:25 am |
| "Mark" <marximus27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news cV_8.479151$o66.1291063@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Hello all, my first reply/post here.
>
> I really wanted to know about RIS. I checked around on the 'Net and found
a
> step by step guide to implementing RIS easily on a Win2k server. But that
> was only part of what I wanted to see and play with. You might have
noticed
> during your studies a vague reference to PXE-enabled LAN cards.
>
try here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tr...chNet/prodtechn
ol/winxppro/reskit/prbc_cai_byil.asp
text wrapped URL... (copy all of the link into your browser)
HTH
Sue
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| Mark - An interesting and informative first post - Thanks!
Regards,
DJKJ
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| Mark, thanks for the informative post. I now have faith that RIS *CAN* to
a completely unattended install over a network without a floppy or CD. I
am going to be trying to set up a small lab here so that i can play around
with it. Thanks for all the links guys, i am going to check each and
every one out.
Jason <jkart@helpmenow.org> wrote in
news:Xns92532BFC35AAjkarthelpm
enoworg@65.32.1.7:
> Hi everyone, i will be taking the 210 in about 10 days, i have studied
> well and hard for the exam. One thing that keeps getting me is RIS
> (Remote installer service). Does anyone have, or know where to find a
> tutorial/guide on howto go about an install with it? My book goes
> through the requirements and whatnot but doesnt go through the actual
> process. Supposedbly you can even distribute the OS and all your apps
> at once? Any adivce on it would be great, Thanks in advance!
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| Y2SMITH30 2002-07-27, 12:25 am |
| Theres 2 types of PXE's out there so watch out! there are ones which come PXE
enabled( u dont have to add a PXE enabled chip) these are usually only 3-com
enabled- you have to run a special 3com package($3000+) and they will not work
with RIS. Or there is PXE NIC's which dont have the PXE chip installed and you
have to order it( I think from D-LInk) or there is a set of 25 older 10mb NIC's
which RIS supports you have to look on the RIS setup screen... Note half those
NIC's are no longer being produced. But, you can still but some of the IBM's
for about $80
But, dont get me wrong you can still find 10/100 PXE generics -- they have to
be 10/100 because RIS only runs on 10mb
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| Chris L 2002-07-28, 10:25 am |
| Not that you need to know what cards will work with RIS for the test, but,
So far I haven't run into anyone using MS's archaic RIS. Most will just use
a Ghost deployment. I've found Ghost to be much less complicated and faster
than setting up all the requirements to run a RIS server.
--
Chris L
"Y2SMITH30" <y2smith30@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020727013321.19788.00000956@mb-dd.aol.com...
> Theres 2 types of PXE's out there so watch out! there are ones which come
PXE
> enabled( u dont have to add a PXE enabled chip) these are usually only
3-com
> enabled- you have to run a special 3com package($3000+) and they will not
work
> with RIS. Or there is PXE NIC's which dont have the PXE chip installed
and you
> have to order it( I think from D-LInk) or there is a set of 25 older 10mb
NIC's
> which RIS supports you have to look on the RIS setup screen... Note half
those
> NIC's are no longer being produced. But, you can still but some of the
IBM's
> for about $80
>
> But, dont get me wrong you can still find 10/100 PXE generics -- they have
to
> be 10/100 because RIS only runs on 10mb
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