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| Simon Finnigan 2002-12-16, 11:25 am |
| I`m looking for the most bleeding edge distro out there that is relatively
easy to install (Gentoo etc are to much hastle TBH). I`d be surprised if
they support my machine yet, but I want to figure out which distribution is
using the latest kernel etc and keep an eye on that, to give it a try when
it is likely to install and run on my machine.
Any help?
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| Sybren Stuvel 2002-12-16, 11:25 am |
| In article <atkv0m$2b$1@news.liv.ac.uk>, Simon Finnigan wrote:
> I`m looking for the most bleeding edge distro out there that is relatively
> easy to install (Gentoo etc are to much hastle TBH).
To be honest, ease of installation is only a small benefit. Debian
Unstable is pretty cutting/bleeding edge, and although it's not the
easiest distro to install, it sure is easy to use and update.
> I`d be surprised if they support my machine yet
Then stop bragging about it and give us some specs.
> but I want to figure out which distribution is using the latest kernel
> etc and keep an eye on that, to give it a try when it is likely to
> install and run on my machine.
If you want the latest kernel, why not download it from www.kernel.org
and compile your own?
Sybren
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| Bill Unruh 2002-12-16, 12:25 pm |
| "Simon Finnigan" <simon@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
]I`m looking for the most bleeding edge distro out there that is relatively
]easy to install (Gentoo etc are to much hastle TBH). I`d be surprised if
]they support my machine yet, but I want to figure out which distribution is
]using the latest kernel etc and keep an eye on that, to give it a try when
]it is likely to install and run on my machine.
Mandrake cooker? Do you really want a bleeding edge distro, or do you
want something which will support some (unknown) equipment you have?
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| Alex Butcher 2002-12-16, 12:25 pm |
| On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:28:53 +0000, Simon Finnigan wrote:
> I`m looking for the most bleeding edge distro out there that is relatively
> easy to install (Gentoo etc are to much hastle TBH). I`d be surprised if
> they support my machine yet, but I want to figure out which distribution
> is using the latest kernel etc and keep an eye on that, to give it a try
> when it is likely to install and run on my machine.
>
> Any help?
Other than Gentoo, I'd suggest other contenders would be either Debian
testing/unstable, Red Hat Rawhide or Mandrake Cooker.
Use at your own risk! ;-)
Personally, I use a standard distro, then backport the things I'm
particularly interested in from the closest "unstable" distro.
What's special about your machine, BTW?
Best Regards,
Alex.
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| John Hasler 2002-12-16, 1:25 pm |
| Sybren Stuvel writes:
> Debian Unstable is pretty cutting/bleeding edge, and although it's not
> the easiest distro to install, it sure is easy to use and update.
The way to install Debian/unstable is to install Debian/stable ("Woody"),
point /etc/apt/sources.list at unstable, and do
'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade'.
> If you want the latest kernel...
Debian/unstable does offer a kernels to choose from:
toncho/~ apt-cache search kernel-image
kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 - Headers for Linux kernel version 2.4.18 (bf variant) on 386
kernel-image-2.2.20-reiserfs - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.2.20.
kernel-image-2.2.20-udma100-ext3 - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.2.20-udma100-ext3.
kernel-image-2.2.22 - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.2.22.
kernel-image-2.2.22-compact - Linux kernel binary image.
kernel-image-2.2.22-idepci - Linux kernel binary image.
kernel-image-2.4-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on 386.
kernel-image-2.4-586tsc - Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on Pentium-Classic.
kernel-image-2.4-686 - Linux kernel image 2.4 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
kernel-image-2.4-686-smp - Linux kernel image 2.4 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
kernel-image-2.4-k6 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on AMD K6/K6-II/K6-III.
kernel-image-2.4-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on AMD K7.
kernel-image-2.4-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on AMD K7 SMP.
kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.18 (bf variant) on 386.
kernel-image-2.4.19-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.19 on 386.
kernel-image-2.4.19-586tsc - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.19 on Pentium-Classic.
kernel-image-2.4.19-686 - Linux kernel image 2.4.19 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
kernel-image-2.4.19-686-smp - Linux kernel image 2.4.19 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
kernel-image-2.4.19-k6 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.19 on AMD K6/K6-II/K6-III.
kernel-image-2.4.19-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.19 on AMD K7.
kernel-image-2.4.19-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.19 on AMD K7 SMP.
kernel-image-2.4.20-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.20 on 386.
kernel-image-2.4.20-586tsc - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.20 on Pentium-Classic.
kernel-image-2.4.20-686 - Linux kernel image 2.4.20 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
kernel-image-2.4.20-686-smp - Linux kernel image 2.4.20 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
kernel-image-2.4.20-k6 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.20 on AMD K6/K6-II/K6-III.
kernel-image-2.4.20-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.20 on AMD K7.
kernel-image-2.4.20-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.20 on AMD K7 SMP.
kernel-package - Debian Linux kernel package build scripts.
kernel-source-2.4.20 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.20 with Debian patches
linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.19-386 - drivers for wireless prism2 cards
linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.19-586tsc - drivers for wireless prism2 cards
linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.19-686 - drivers for wireless prism2 cards
linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.19-686-smp - drivers for wireless prism2 cards
linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.19-k6 - drivers for wireless prism2 cards
linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.19-k7 - drivers for wireless prism2 cards
modules-scyld-source-0.1 - Source code of network drivers from Scyld Computing Co.
pcmcia-modules-2.2.20 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.2.20).
pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-compact - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.2.20-compact).
pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-idepci - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.2.20-idepci).
pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-reiserfs - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.2.20-reiserfs).
pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-udma100-ext3 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.2.20-udma100-ext3).
pcmcia-modules-2.2.21 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.2.21).
pcmcia-modules-2.2.21-compact - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.2.21-compact).
pcmcia-modules-2.2.21-idepci - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.2.21-idepci).
pcmcia-modules-2.2.22 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.2.22).
pcmcia-modules-2.2.22-compact - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.2.22-compact).
pcmcia-modules-2.2.22-idepci - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.2.22-idepci).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-386 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.18-386).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-586tsc - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.18-586tsc).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.18-686).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686-smp - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.18-686-smp).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-bf2.4 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-k6 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.18-k6).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-k7 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.18-k7).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.19-386 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.19-386).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.19-586tsc - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.19-586tsc).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.19-686 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.19-686).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.19-686-smp - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.19-686-smp).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.19-k6 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.19-k6).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.19-k7 - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.19-k7).
pcmcia-modules-2.4.19-k7-smp - PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.4.19-k7-smp).
> ... why not download it from www.kernel.org and compile your own?
Or install a Debian kernel source package and build and install it with
kernel-package:
toncho/~ apt-cache search kernel-source
freeswan - IPSEC utilities for FreeSWan
kernel-patch-2.2-lids - LIDS Kernel Patch
kernel-patch-2.4-lids - LIDS Kernel Patch
kernel-source-2.2.20 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.20
kernel-source-2.2.22 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.22
kernel-source-2.4.10 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.10
kernel-source-2.4.16 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.16
kernel-source-2.4.17 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17
kernel-source-2.4.17-ia64 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17 on IA-64
kernel-source-2.4.18 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18
kernel-source-2.4.18-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18 on HPPA
kernel-source-2.4.18-ia64 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18 on IA-64
kernel-source-2.4.19 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.19
kernel-source-2.4.19-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.19 on HPPA
kernel-source-2.4.19-ia64 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.19 on IA-64
kernel-source-2.4.20 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.20 with Debian patches
lidstools-2.2 - LIDS Admintool
lidstools-2.4 - LIDS Admintool
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Elmwood, Wisconsin
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| John Hasler wrote:
> Sybren Stuvel writes:
>
>>Debian Unstable is pretty cutting/bleeding edge, and although it's not
>>the easiest distro to install, it sure is easy to use and update.
>
>
> The way to install Debian/unstable is to install Debian/stable ("Woody"),
> point /etc/apt/sources.list at unstable, and do
> 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade'.
>
>
>>If you want the latest kernel...
<snip great info>
Very thorough, very helpful posting.
Luigi
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| Joe Fredrickson 2002-12-17, 2:25 am |
| Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:59 am will from hence forward be known as the day John
Hasler blabbered:
> The way to install Debian/unstable is to install Debian/stable ("Woody"),
> point /etc/apt/sources.list at unstable, and do
> 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade'.
Technically that is unsafe...
You should actually point it to potato, woody, or 'sid' (sid being unstable)
as when woody was testing some of its packages were considered unstable and
hence they were used on sid systems and that could cause problems...
That isnt really an issue with Woody now being stable, but when the situation
comes round again of sid moving into testing/stability then it will be back..
I recommend allways using the actual version names in sources.list to avoid
having problems whenever a change occurs...
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| On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:28:53 +0000, Simon Finnigan wrote:
> I`m looking for the most bleeding edge distro out there that is relatively
> easy to install (Gentoo etc are to much hastle TBH). I`d be surprised if
> they support my machine yet, but I want to figure out which distribution is
> using the latest kernel etc and keep an eye on that, to give it a try when
> it is likely to install and run on my machine.
Blah... Gentoo isn't a lot of hassle. I found it easy to set up.
--
(o_ - Craig Butcher, IT Technician MTH @ UEA
//\ - http://www.wizball.co.uk
V_/_ - Using Gentoo GNU/Linux
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| Heinrich du Toit 2002-12-17, 6:25 am |
| Craig wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:28:53 +0000, Simon Finnigan wrote:
>
>
>>I`m looking for the most bleeding edge distro out there that is relatively
>>easy to install (Gentoo etc are to much hastle TBH). I`d be surprised if
>>they support my machine yet, but I want to figure out which distribution is
>>using the latest kernel etc and keep an eye on that, to give it a try when
>>it is likely to install and run on my machine.
>
>
> Blah... Gentoo isn't a lot of hassle. I found it easy to set up.
>
It's actually intresting to notice how what poeple find
easy/userfriendly differs.
For example I sometimes notice that poeple find KDE difficult until you
tell them that the K at the bottom of the screen is the menu. :-)
And just the thought of typing someting more then an e-mail and your own
name really scare poeple away.
On the other hand I tend to swear at a windows machine when it pops up
one of those stupid wizards :-)
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| John Hasler 2002-12-17, 5:25 pm |
| Joe Fredrickson writes:
> ...when woody was testing some of its packages were considered unstable
> and hence they were used on sid systems and that could cause problems...
This statement makes no sense.
> That isnt really an issue with Woody now being stable, but when the
> situation comes round again of sid moving into testing/stability then it
> will be back..
Sid will never "move into testing". That's not how it works.
Unstable==sid and always will be.
See <http://www.debian.org/releases/> .
--
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john@dhh.gt.org (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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| Tim Haynes 2002-12-17, 7:25 pm |
| "Alex Butcher" <alex.butcher.news1002@assursys.co.uk> writes:
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:28:53 +0000, Simon Finnigan wrote:
>
>> I`m looking for the most bleeding edge distro out there that is relatively
>> easy to install (Gentoo etc are to much hastle TBH). I`d be surprised if
>> they support my machine yet, but I want to figure out which distribution
>> is using the latest kernel etc and keep an eye on that, to give it a try
>> when it is likely to install and run on my machine.
>
> Other than Gentoo, I'd suggest other contenders would be either Debian
> testing/unstable, Red Hat Rawhide or Mandrake Cooker.
Incidentally, while we're naming names here: Rock, Sourcerer, Lunar? I've
only touched the former two and that a fairly long while ago, but they
could be entertaining again.
~Tim
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| Simon Finnigan 2002-12-19, 4:25 am |
|
"Bill Unruh" <unruh@string.physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
news:atl2fl$iv9$1@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca...
> "Simon Finnigan" <simon@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>
> ]I`m looking for the most bleeding edge distro out there that is
relatively
> ]easy to install (Gentoo etc are to much hastle TBH). I`d be surprised if
> ]they support my machine yet, but I want to figure out which distribution
is
> ]using the latest kernel etc and keep an eye on that, to give it a try
when
> ]it is likely to install and run on my machine.
>
>
> Mandrake cooker? Do you really want a bleeding edge distro, or do you
> want something which will support some (unknown) equipment you have?
Something that`ll work with a Compaq Presario 919EA. It`s got a CDRW/DVD
combo (Teac DW-224E) drive that most distro`s don`t seem to like, nor do
they like the ATI Mobility Radeon graphics chipset.
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| Simon Finnigan 2002-12-19, 4:25 am |
| "Craig" <mytix_nospam@ukgateway.net> wrote in message
news an.2002.12.17.09.42.56.404732@ukgateway.net...
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:28:53 +0000, Simon Finnigan wrote:
>
> > I`m looking for the most bleeding edge distro out there that is
relatively
> > easy to install (Gentoo etc are to much hastle TBH). I`d be surprised
if
> > they support my machine yet, but I want to figure out which distribution
is
> > using the latest kernel etc and keep an eye on that, to give it a try
when
> > it is likely to install and run on my machine.
>
> Blah... Gentoo isn't a lot of hassle. I found it easy to set up.
I don`t want to spend a load of time on something that can be done more
easily. I`m not too bothered about getting a particular system set-up, all
I want/need is a working Linux system to install the scientific analysis
packages I need on it. I`ve heard of many people spending days getting
Gentoo working how they want, and to be honest that would be a waste of time
as far as I`m concerned. I could spend 5 days getting a working system, but
then again I could walk to work every day - both would be a less than
efficient use of my time.
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| Sybren Stuvel 2002-12-19, 4:25 am |
| In alt.os.linux Simon Finnigan enlightened us with:
> I don`t want to spend a load of time on something that can be done
> more easily.
Healthy thought ;-)
> I`ve heard of many people spending days getting Gentoo working how
> they want, and to be honest that would be a waste of time as far as
> I`m concerned.
I always spend a few days tweaking my OS, no matter which one I install.
Then again, apparently I've got plenty of time on my hands ;-)
Sybren
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| Simon Finnigan 2002-12-19, 6:25 am |
| "Sybren Stuvel" <sybrenUSE@YOURthirdtower.imagination.com> wrote in message
news:slrnb037ga.po.sybrenUSE@sybren.thirdtower.com...
> In alt.os.linux Simon Finnigan enlightened us with:
> > I don`t want to spend a load of time on something that can be done
> > more easily.
>
> Healthy thought ;-)
I don`t see the point in spending days and days tweaking something to make
it run a bit faster/more efficiently. If I need to spend 4 days tweaking
something so it runs faster, then it is more efficient and economical to buy
a faster machine! Time is money and all that. :-)
> > I`ve heard of many people spending days getting Gentoo working how
> > they want, and to be honest that would be a waste of time as far as
> > I`m concerned.
>
> I always spend a few days tweaking my OS, no matter which one I install.
> Then again, apparently I've got plenty of time on my hands ;-)
I spend about 3-4 hours after a clean install of Windows XP getting
everything how I like it, installing those programs I can`t live without.
Then everything else gets added as and when I need it.
Having said that, I am a Windows fan, I`m only trying to get into Linux
because the applications I need to use are Linux based (some of them
anyway). Sorting programs and anything that uses the 3TB RAID array here is
something that they only do in Linux - you can`t even get to the array
through Windows.
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| Joseph 2002-12-19, 7:25 am |
| On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:28:53 -0000, "Simon Finnigan"
<simon@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>I`m looking for the most bleeding edge distro out there that is relatively
>easy to install (Gentoo etc are to much hastle TBH). I`d be surprised if
>they support my machine yet, but I want to figure out which distribution is
>using the latest kernel etc and keep an eye on that, to give it a try when
>it is likely to install and run on my machine.
>
>Any help?
>
>
MANDRAKE
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| Sybren Stuvel 2002-12-19, 7:25 am |
| begin Simon Finnigan enlightened us with:
> I don`t see the point in spending days and days tweaking something to make
> it run a bit faster/more efficiently. If I need to spend 4 days tweaking
> something so it runs faster, then it is more efficient and economical to buy
> a faster machine! Time is money and all that. :-)
I don't tweak it to run faster, I tweak it to run and look exactly how I
want it.
> I spend about 3-4 hours after a clean install of Windows XP getting
> everything how I like it, installing those programs I can`t live without.
> Then everything else gets added as and when I need it.
Yes, I spend a few hours as well, but usually spread out over a day or
two.
> Having said that, I am a Windows fan, I`m only trying to get into Linux
> because the applications I need to use are Linux based (some of them
> anyway). Sorting programs and anything that uses the 3TB RAID array here is
> something that they only do in Linux - you can`t even get to the array
> through Windows.
Take a good look, because you might start to like Linux more than you
expected ;-)
Sybren
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| Joe Fredrickson 2002-12-19, 8:25 am |
| Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:13 am will from hence forward be known as the day John
Hasler blabbered:
> Sid will never "move into testing". That's not how it works.
> Unstable==sid and always will be.
>
> See <http://www.debian.org/releases/> .
Not so!
Sid in the process of time will be released as a stable edition, and another
name will be given to the next release, which will be considered 'unstable'
re-read your above posted site.
To clarify my statement that didnt make sense.
Joe Fredrickson writes:
> ...when woody was testing some of its packages were considered unstable
> and hence they were used on sid systems and that could cause problems...
What I was trying to say is that when releases move from unstable to testing
or from testing to stable they replace the release that was there before hand
now this is essentially fine if you reference apt by the release code-names
but if you reference via the actual state or release: stable, testing, etc...
then when a release shift occurs you will be unwittingly installing/updating
packages from a different release to the one you currently use.
It is not uncommon for some commonly used packages in the testing release to
be completely unstable still, they are part of that release or edition though
so are in the testing section.
This issue is most noticed if you use the 'testing' release because you will
find that your apt references get changed to the 'newly' crowned testing lot
of packages many of which could well be 'unstable' still.
--
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| Alex Butcher 2002-12-19, 9:26 am |
| On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:13:03 +0000, Simon Finnigan wrote:
> "Bill Unruh" <unruh@string.physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
> news:atl2fl$iv9$1@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca...
>> "Simon Finnigan" <simon@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>>
>> ]I`m looking for the most bleeding edge distro out there that is
> relatively
>> ]easy to install (Gentoo etc are to much hastle TBH). I`d be surprised
>> if ]they support my machine yet
[snip]
>> Mandrake cooker? Do you really want a bleeding edge distro, or do you
>> want something which will support some (unknown) equipment you have?
>
> Something that`ll work with a Compaq Presario 919EA. It`s got a CDRW/DVD
> combo (Teac DW-224E) drive that most distro`s don`t seem to like,
There shouldn't be anything special about a DVD/CDRW. My Toshiba's
UJDA-720 works fine with RH7.2, cdrecord and gcombust. What happens when
you try to use yours?
> nor do they like the ATI Mobility Radeon graphics chipset.
Radeon Mobility's can be tricky. You could try installing RH8.0 in
text-only mode, then using the CVS snapshots of XFree86 from
<ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/> if the included 4.2.0 doesn't
work out. XFree86 4.2.1 is due in January, so expect updates and new
distro revisions about then.
Best Regards,
Alex.
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Bristol, UK Need reliable and secure network systems?
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| Tim Wunder 2002-12-19, 9:26 am |
| On 12/19/2002 9:55 AM, someone claiming to be Alex Butcher wrote:
<snip>
> ...XFree86 4.2.1 is due in January, so expect updates and new
> distro revisions about then.
>
Isn't 4.2.1 *already* released? That's what www.xfree86.org seems to be telling me...
Do you mean 4.3.0?
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| Alex Butcher 2002-12-19, 10:25 am |
| On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:01:49 +0000, Tim Wunder wrote:
> On 12/19/2002 9:55 AM, someone claiming to be Alex Butcher wrote: <snip>
>
>> ...XFree86 4.2.1 is due in January, so expect updates and new distro
>> revisions about then.
>>
>>
> Isn't 4.2.1 *already* released? That's what www.xfree86.org seems to be
> telling me... Do you mean 4.3.0?
Yup. I've been flitting around between various CVS snapshots and kinda
lost track of where I was!
Best Regards,
Alex.
--
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| Simon Finnigan 2002-12-19, 10:25 am |
| "Alex Butcher" <alex.butcher.news1002@assursys.co.uk> wrote in message
newsan.2002.12.19.14.55.19.256142@assursys.co.uk...
> > Something that`ll work with a Compaq Presario 919EA. It`s got a
CDRW/DVD
> > combo (Teac DW-224E) drive that most distro`s don`t seem to like,
>
> There shouldn't be anything special about a DVD/CDRW. My Toshiba's
> UJDA-720 works fine with RH7.2, cdrecord and gcombust. What happens when
> you try to use yours?
Redhat refuses to accept it is there when it comes time to copy the files
over. It boots from the CDRW/DVD combo, and then decides it doesnt exist.
Not only that, it locks the drive so the only way to open it is to power the
machine down entirely and then turn it back on, at which point the drive
opens perfectly fine. I`ve spoken to a mate who had a similar problem
installing RH on his Sony Vaio, and he said he has to use a USB CD drive to
get the files on there.
> > nor do they like the ATI Mobility Radeon graphics chipset.
>
> Radeon Mobility's can be tricky. You could try installing RH8.0 in
> text-only mode, then using the CVS snapshots of XFree86 from
> <ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/> if the included 4.2.0 doesn't
> work out. XFree86 4.2.1 is due in January, so expect updates and new
> distro revisions about then.
I thought that was what i`d have to do - rather than spend days of my own
time trying to figure it out, let people who know a lot more than me figure
it out and use their work when it is released.
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| Peter Christy 2002-12-19, 11:25 am |
| Have you had a look at Slackware? I'm running 9.0beta with a Radeon 9000.
(Checkout the slackware-current folder. iso's are downloadable from
ftp.kpn.be, though these are a little out of date. Better build your own,
as described in the varions readmes in the current folder)
Slack doesn't have a fancy graphical install system, but that's why it often
succeeds where others don't ;-) I've used Suse, Mandrake and RedHat, and
despite its reputation as a tinkerers distro, I've found slack easier to
set-up than any of them! You *do* need to know a little bit more about your
system however than with some of the others. But if you don't know the
basics, you shouldn't be messing about anyway <G>!
Compaq laptops are *notoriously* linux unfriendly, but some people have got
them running OK. Have a look over in comp.os.linux.portable - you'll find
quite a lot of Compaq threads there....
ATi have just released some new "unified" linux drivers for their more
recent graphics cards - though I'm not sure that includes the mobility
ones. I'm running 2.5.1, which are running perfectly. I had to rebuild them
as my distro and kernel version didn't match anyone of the pre-built
versions, but the instructions are clear and worked without problem.
--
Pete
christy@attglobal.net
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| Alex Butcher 2002-12-19, 12:25 pm |
| On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:15:34 +0000, Simon Finnigan wrote:
> "Alex Butcher" <alex.butcher.news1002@assursys.co.uk> wrote in message
> newsan.2002.12.19.14.55.19.256142@assursys.co.uk...
>> > Something that`ll work with a Compaq Presario 919EA. It`s got a
> CDRW/ DVD
>> > combo (Teac DW-224E) drive that most distro`s don`t seem to like,
>>
>> There shouldn't be anything special about a DVD/CDRW. My Toshiba's
>> UJDA-720 works fine with RH7.2, cdrecord and gcombust. What happens when
>> you try to use yours?
>
> Redhat refuses to accept it is there when it comes time to copy the files
> over. It boots from the CDRW/DVD combo, and then decides it doesnt exist.
> Not only that, it locks the drive so the only way to open it is to power
> the machine down entirely and then turn it back on, at which point the
> drive opens perfectly fine. I`ve spoken to a mate who had a similar
> problem installing RH on his Sony Vaio, and he said he has to use a USB CD
> drive to get the files on there.
Was this RH7.x? If so, see
<http://www.exocore.com/technologies/linux/rhl71dma/>. Essentially,
install with IDE DMA disabled. Or perform a network install with a
bootfloppy and an FTP/NFS/SMB server (at least, I think SMB installs are
possible).
Best Regards,
Alex.
--
Alex Butcher Brainbench MVP for Internet Security: www.brainbench.com
Bristol, UK Need reliable and secure network systems?
PGP/GnuPG ID:0x271fd950 <http://www.assursys.com/>
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| Simon Finnigan 2002-12-19, 12:25 pm |
| "Alex Butcher" <alex.butcher.news1002@assursys.co.uk> wrote in message
newsan.2002.12.19.17.38.57.558359@assursys.co.uk...
> Was this RH7.x? If so, see
> <http://www.exocore.com/technologies/linux/rhl71dma/>. Essentially,
> install with IDE DMA disabled. Or perform a network install with a
> bootfloppy and an FTP/NFS/SMB server (at least, I think SMB installs are
> possible).
The latest version downloadable as ISO`s, Redhat 8.0 :-(
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| Neil Ellwood 2002-12-19, 1:25 pm |
| In article <B5nM9.659$lf6.29189@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>,
christy@attglobal.net says...
> Have you had a look at Slackware? I'm running 9.0beta with a Radeon 9000.
> (Checkout the slackware-current folder. iso's are downloadable from
> ftp.kpn.be, though these are a little out of date. Better build your own,
> as described in the varions readmes in the current folder)
>
> Slack doesn't have a fancy graphical install system, but that's why it often
> succeeds where others don't ;-) I've used Suse, Mandrake and RedHat, and
> despite its reputation as a tinkerers distro, I've found slack easier to
> set-up than any of them! You *do* need to know a little bit more about your
> system however than with some of the others. But if you don't know the
> basics, you shouldn't be messing about anyway <G>!
>
> Compaq laptops are *notoriously* linux unfriendly, but some people have got
> them running OK. Have a look over in comp.os.linux.portable - you'll find
> quite a lot of Compaq threads there....
>
> ATi have just released some new "unified" linux drivers for their more
> recent graphics cards - though I'm not sure that includes the mobility
> ones. I'm running 2.5.1, which are running perfectly. I had to rebuild them
> as my distro and kernel version didn't match anyone of the pre-built
> versions, but the instructions are clear and worked without problem.
Forgive me butting in but I have just got a new comp. with a Radeon 9500
and have not been able to install Mandrake 9.0 or Suse 8.0 as at the
beginning of the install everything just freezes - mouse, keyboard et.al
I know that when I manage to get anything installed I will need to
download the drivers but I expect that.
I will have to have a look at Slackware when I get the chance.
--
Neil
No nospam in this sig.
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| Alex Butcher 2002-12-19, 2:25 pm |
| On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:58:43 +0000, Simon Finnigan wrote:
> "Alex Butcher" <alex.butcher.news1002@assursys.co.uk> wrote in message
> newsan.2002.12.19.17.38.57.558359@assursys.co.uk...
>> Was this RH7.x? If so, see
>> <http://www.exocore.com/technologies/linux/rhl71dma/>. Essentially,
>> install with IDE DMA disabled. Or perform a network install with a
>> bootfloppy and an FTP/NFS/SMB server (at least, I think SMB installs are
>> possible).
>
> The latest version downloadable as ISO`s, Redhat 8.0 :-(
Try ide=nodma anyway - it may help.
Best Regards,
Alex.
--
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Bristol, UK Need reliable and secure network systems?
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| Tony Houghton 2002-12-19, 5:25 pm |
| In <B5nM9.659$lf6.29189@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>,
Peter Christy <christy@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Have you had a look at Slackware? I'm running 9.0beta with a Radeon 9000.
[Snip]
> ATi have just released some new "unified" linux drivers for their more
> recent graphics cards - though I'm not sure that includes the mobility
> ones. I'm running 2.5.1, which are running perfectly. I had to rebuild them
> as my distro and kernel version didn't match anyone of the pre-built
> versions, but the instructions are clear and worked without problem.
I'm tempted to get a Radeon 9000, because it has loads of features I
want, but I'm not sure how well they work in Linux. I couldn't find much
info about XFree86's drivers, just some stuff about having to get the
latest CVS and configure the BusID to make it appear as an 8500 if you
want DRI, and a 7500 if you want dual head, and make sure you don't get
the two mixed up. Is that still the case, or is it better now? And did
the Radeon drivers ever get more fully-featured? ISTR they never used to
support hardware T&L.
And what are ATI's drivers like? I had a look at their website not long
ago, and all I could find was a rather unsupported looking RPM.
--
TH * http://www.realh.co.uk
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| John Hasler 2002-12-19, 11:24 pm |
| Joe Fredrickson writes:
> Sid in the process of time will be released as a stable edition...
No it won't. From the Web page:
The current ``stable'' distribution ... codenamed woody.
^^^^^^^
The current ``testing'' distribution is sarge.
^^^^^^^
The ``unstable'' distribution is called sid.
Note the absence of the qualifier "current" from the last line above, and
see <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ft...s.en.html#s-sid>.
> ...and another name will be given to the next release, which will be
> considered 'unstable' re-read your above posted site.
The Debian release process has not worked that way for some time. Look at
<http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-testing> and
<http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-frozen> . You might want
to read the rest of the FAQ as well.
A user with his sources.list pointing to Sid or Unstable will see no change
when a release occurs. One with it pointing to Testing will also see no
change other than the restored flow of packages from Unstable. One with it
pointing to Sarge will see no immediate change but will stop seeing new
packages arrive from Unstable. Only a user with his sources.list pointing
to Stable will see a drastic change.
> What I was trying to say is that when releases move from unstable to
> testing or from testing to stable they replace the release that was
> there...
"Releases" don't move. Only packages do [1]. See the FAQ.
> It is not uncommon for some commonly used packages in the testing release
> to be completely unstable still,...
It is not unheard of for packages in Testing to have serious bugs, but it
is because they were not caught while the package was in Unstable. That is
why Testing exists.
> This issue is most noticed if you use the 'testing' release because you
> will find that your apt references get changed to the 'newly' crowned
> testing lot of packages many of which could well be 'unstable' still.
It just doesn't work that way.
[1] This all actually done through the magic of "package pools", which I
will not attempt to explain. The FAQ <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/>
discusses them briefly.
--
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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| Peter Christy 2002-12-20, 3:25 pm |
| Tony Houghton wrote:
> I'm tempted to get a Radeon 9000, because it has loads of features I
> want, but I'm not sure how well they work in Linux.
I found a patch on the 'net, originally intended for Mandrake, but it worked
fine in Slack. Basically it just adds the 9000 PCI ids to allow XFree86 to
recognize the card and install the ATi driver. It runs fine in frame buffer
mode, but doesn't seem to add 3D support.
> And what are ATI's drivers like? I had a look at their website not long
> ago, and all I could find was a rather unsupported looking RPM.
This is the route I took! I did a rpm2tgz and installed the resulting tgz
package (having backed up /etc/X11 and /usr X11R6 first :-) .
None of the pre-packaged drivers worked as I'm not running RedHat, or a
recognized kernel, but there are instructions for rebuilding the drivers to
match your system. This is achieved by running a couple of (supplied)
scripts, but you *must* have a complete, configured kernel tree in
/usr/src/linux that matches your running kernel when you do the re-build.
The instructions are very clear and worked beautifully. I now have stable 3D
graphics delivered at blistering speed! I am extremely happy with the end
result! Its certainly worth the tinkering involved! In terms of "bangs per
buck" this is a hard combination to beat!
--
Pete
christy@attglobal.net
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