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| I heard it's better than Lindows and Mendrake for beginner.
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| Paul Lutus 2002-10-25, 6:24 pm |
| jp wrote:
> I heard it's better than Lindows and Mendrake for beginner.
And do not multi-post.
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| beast2k 2002-12-19, 2:25 pm |
| I'm using Xandros right now it's AWESOME. All the setting up and
configuring I used to do in Mandrake and Redhat is a thing of the past
everything is autodetected and presetup as soon as you boot into the OS.
Get this ,Ghost recon autobooted right off the CDRom and installed right
from the desktop with no configuring anything. Finally sombody got Linux
right and Xandros did it with their first release. So it can be done
it's just that Mandrake and Redhat (and others)choose not to make Linux
user friendly and the living proof is in Xandros. ALL other distros have
a long way to go to catch Xandros.In my opinion using any other distro
now is like using windows 3.1 instead of XP. Buy it it's worth every
penny and the time and effort saved is a welcome change. ...and no I
don't think this way because I'm a newbie I've been playing with Linux
since way before it was a cool thing to be doing. -Beast2k
jp wrote:
> I heard it's better than Lindows and Mendrake for beginner.
> Xandros
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| Joe Fredrickson 2002-12-19, 4:25 pm |
| Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:20 am will from hence forward be known as the day beast2k
blabbered:
> from the desktop with no configuring anything. Finally sombody got Linux
No configuring? That sounds very stale, I like very much to change a lot of
things when I first install a distro, this feature sounds more like someone
finally released a defunct distro.
> In my opinion using any other distro now is like using windows 3.1 instead
> of XP. Buy it it's worth every penny and the time and effort saved is a
> welcome change. ...and no I don't think this way because I'm a newbie I've
> been playing with Linux since way before it was a cool thing to be doing.
Well why dont you change your windowmanager to lets say fvwm and use xandros
and then tell me that the GUI is so great? What you are harping on about is
a theme for most likely KDE -- something that anyone can install on any PC
and distro that they choose.
--
Mushrooms always grow in damp places and so they look like umbrellas.
Registered Linux User 282072
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| Chris Morley 2002-12-19, 6:25 pm |
| beast2k wrote:
> I'm using Xandros right now it's AWESOME. All the setting up and
> configuring I used to do in Mandrake and Redhat is a thing of the past
> everything is autodetected and presetup as soon as you boot into the OS.
1-pre-configured...
2-pre-setup...
> Get this ,Ghost recon autobooted right off the CDRom and installed right
> from the desktop with no configuring anything.
3-no configuring
>Finally sombody got Linux
> right and Xandros did it with their first release.
The purpose of Linux was _*not*_ to be a Windows' /clone/ ...
>So it can be done
> it's just that Mandrake and Redhat (and others)choose not to make Linux
> user friendly and the living proof is in Xandros. ALL other distros have
> a long way to go to catch Xandros.
Lets hope they never do...
>In my opinion using any other distro
> now is like using windows 3.1 instead of XP.
Reading the things you mentionned (1-2-3) it looks more like _Xandros_ "is
like using" Windows XP...
Bet you run as "administrator" all the time... or you really don't know since
it has set everything for you...
>Buy it it's worth every
> penny and the time and effort saved is a welcome change. ...and no I
> don't think this way because I'm a newbie I've been playing with Linux
> since way before it was a cool thing to be doing.
For someone who wants a Linux distro that operates like XP... probably.
P.S. Lindows is powered by Xandros... and both charge a yearly fee to download
softwares that's available for free on the Debian site.
So, a company that operates like Microsoft sells a distro that works like
XP... Hmmm.
At least one doesn't put any more money into M$...
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| Chris Morley 2002-12-19, 6:25 pm |
| Xref: nntp3.aus1.giganews.com alt.os.linux:281563
Joe Fredrickson wrote:
> Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:20 am will from hence forward be known as the day
> beast2k blabbered:
>> In my opinion using any other distro now is like using windows 3.1 instead
>> of XP. Buy it it's worth every penny and the time and effort saved is a
>> welcome change. ...and no I don't think this way because I'm a newbie I've
>> been playing with Linux since way before it was a cool thing to be doing.
> Well why dont you change your windowmanager to lets say fvwm and use xandros
> and then tell me that the GUI is so great? What you are harping on about is
> a theme for most likely KDE -- something that anyone can install on any PC
> and distro that they choose.
>
And the xandros default desktop looks awfully Windowish dull...
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| Keith Tnecul 2002-12-19, 6:25 pm |
| On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:20:08 +0000, beast2k wrote:
> I'm using Xandros right now it's AWESOME. All the setting up and
> configuring I used to do in Mandrake and Redhat is a thing of the past
> everything is autodetected and presetup as soon as you boot into the OS.
> Get this ,Ghost recon autobooted right off the CDRom and installed right
> from the desktop with no configuring anything. Finally sombody got Linux
> right and Xandros did it with their first release. So it can be done
> it's just that Mandrake and Redhat (and others)choose not to make Linux
> user friendly and the living proof is in Xandros. ALL other distros have
> a long way to go to catch Xandros.In my opinion using any other distro
> now is like using windows 3.1 instead of XP. Buy it it's worth every
> penny and the time and effort saved is a welcome change. ...and no I
> don't think this way because I'm a newbie I've been playing with Linux
> since way before it was a cool thing to be doing. -Beast2k
WOW! It sounds so easy. You don't need to know anything to install it.
You don't need to know anything to use it. All the other distros are
crap. Hummm... Say, you sound like a Windows user. Hey! Have you tried
Windows XP?
By the way... Linux has ALWAYS been cool.
Keith
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| OSIRIS 2002-12-19, 8:24 pm |
| To Joe, Chris, and Keith.
I would like to respectfully take an opposing view to yours. I am not attacking
you personally, simply offering an oposing point of view.
I am a computer consultant. I grew up in the Novell world and have, from a
practical point of view, accepted the Microsoft dominance in my client's
offices. Our company supports Novell, Microsoft, and Linux, so I have no
particular axe to grind. My view point is based on what sells and works in the
matketplace rather than what is technically superior.
I picked up this thread with Beast2k's reponse. He appears to say that he was
impressed by the work that the Xandros team have done. He was expressing his
delight in the ease of installation. Your collective reaction was to suggest
that he was a Linux newbie and a Windows refugee in derogatory terms.
I would like to respectfully suggest that the efforts of development teams like
Lycoris, Lindows, and Xandros are _absolutely_ needed if Linux is ever going to
succeed on the desktops of the Fortune 500 companies.
There is no doubt in my mind that Linux as a server platform is excellent and
has the Windows Server OS beat hands down. In many ways, I'll accept that Linux
is also superior to my beloved Novell NetWare. Server superiority then is not
disputed, nor is it the point.
The problem for companies like mine is trying to convince the purchasing agent
(or "boss", or "manager" or whetever) of a small to medium business that has
only ever used Windpws, that they should try Linux with OpenOffice.Org rather
than Windows and MS Office. As long as distros like Mandrake, RedHat and Suse
are around, that makes it a VERY hard sell (without trying to single out any of
those three -- there simply the first three "mainstream dostros" that came to
mind).
The mainstream Linux distros are aimed at a technically inclined Linux audience.
Users who are used to Windows and are just "trying it out" for the first time,
are (from my first hand experience) turned off imediately by how different
everything is. In most cases, that's the end of the experiment and they go back
to Windows thinking Linux is for geeks and not for them (and with RH,Mandrake,
etc. they're right).
It is this type of experience that Lindows, Lycoris, and Xandros are attempting
to address, and are doing it quite well.
Yes they charge for the product, (as does Ximian for the Evolution Connector),
but they've put in a large investment of time to create the "easy transition"
for those first time Windows users. They deserve something for that effort.
I, for one, applaud the efforts of these comanies that are attempting to make
"Linux on the Desktop" an easy transition.
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| Dave Uhring 2002-12-19, 8:24 pm |
| On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:36:56 +0000, OSIRIS wrote:
>
> Yes they charge for the product, (as does Ximian for the Evolution Connector),
> but they've put in a large investment of time to create the "easy transition"
> for those first time Windows users. They deserve something for that effort.
>
> I, for one, applaud the efforts of these comanies that are attempting to make
> "Linux on the Desktop" an easy transition.
Xandros is a spammer.
Say what you like about them but any company which spams is one from which
I will never purchase anything.
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| Richard James 2002-12-19, 10:24 pm |
| Dave Uhring wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:36:56 +0000, OSIRIS wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes they charge for the product, (as does Ximian for the Evolution
>> Connector), but they've put in a large investment of time to create the
>> "easy transition"
>> for those first time Windows users. They deserve something for that
>> effort.
>>
>> I, for one, applaud the efforts of these comanies that are attempting to
>> make "Linux on the Desktop" an easy transition.
>
> Xandros is a spammer.
>
> Say what you like about them but any company which spams is one from which
> I will never purchase anything.
When you accuse someone of something in that way give a reference otherwise
you are being libelous.
Richard 
[1]There is another word called ????
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Will kill for Documentation.
A Vic 20 is faster than a C64: 8bit roxs
http://dogmilk.homelinux.com/
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| Dave Uhring 2002-12-19, 10:24 pm |
| On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:30:01 +0000, Richard James wrote:
> When you accuse someone of something in that way give a reference otherwise
> you are being libelous.
>
> Richard
>
> [1]There is another word called ????
I discard spam. I did not feel compelled to save that particular piece of
pink to satisfy your curiosity.
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| Chris Morley 2002-12-20, 12:24 am |
| OSIRIS wrote:
> To Joe, Chris, and Keith.
>
> I would like to respectfully take an opposing view to yours. I am not attacking
> you personally, simply offering an oposing point of view.
We can take that...  )
>
> I am a computer consultant. I grew up in the Novell world and have, from a
> practical point of view, accepted the Microsoft dominance in my client's
> offices. Our company supports Novell, Microsoft, and Linux, so I have no
> particular axe to grind. My view point is based on what sells and works in the
> matketplace rather than what is technically superior.
>
> I picked up this thread with Beast2k's reponse. He appears to say that he was
> impressed by the work that the Xandros team have done. He was expressing his
> delight in the ease of installation. Your collective reaction was to suggest
> that he was a Linux newbie and a Windows refugee in derogatory terms.
Until he wrote:
>>In my opinion using any other distro now is like using windows 3.1 instead of XP.
AND
>>ALL other distros have a long way to go to catch Xandros.
> I would like to respectfully suggest that the efforts of development teams like
> Lycoris, Lindows, and Xandros are _absolutely_ needed if Linux is ever going to
> succeed on the desktops of the Fortune 500 companies.
I agree with you on this and the rest of your article...
Beast2k (sounds like Win2k) should read it...
He likes Xandros, fine... but coming here bashing other distros is not very intelligent.
But I agree with you that Linux needs Lindows and Xandros... in fact that's the only thing
that most reviewers complain about "pure" Debian: unease of installation. So those distros
should fill the gap. Back then, "Corel Linux" was considered one of the best distro and
Xandros is its first child.
I'm just kind of fed up with this childish attitude of "my distro is /bigger/ than yours" ...
Regards.
Chris Morley.
--
Customer: "I'm running Windows '95."
Tech Support: "Yes."
Customer: "My computer isn't working now."
Tech Support: "Yes, you said that."
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| Joe Fredrickson 2002-12-20, 8:25 am |
| Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:36 pm will from hence forward be known as the day OSIRIS
blabbered:
> I would like to respectfully take an opposing view to yours. I am not
> attacking you personally, simply offering an oposing point of view.
Well on those terms I will reply to your post.
> I picked up this thread with Beast2k's reponse. He appears to say that he
> was impressed by the work that the Xandros team have done. He was
> expressing his delight in the ease of installation. Your collective
> reaction was to suggest that he was a Linux newbie and a Windows refugee in
> derogatory terms.
I did no such thing, I merely expressed my point of view that the lack of
self-configuration and windows-likeness were not something I admired in a
distro. I also pointed out that the view of the GUI being great was only
inherited from a theme that anyone could make/install on any distro. This
in NO way proposes what you said.
> I would like to respectfully suggest that the efforts of development teams
> like Lycoris, Lindows, and Xandros are _absolutely_ needed if Linux is ever
> going to succeed on the desktops of the Fortune 500 companies.
To paraphrase Bill Gates
"... Mircosoft will fail one day ..."
The simplistic view on computers would be to think that Linux needs to show
a respectable face to the world for it to excel in the Computer world. This
I completely and strongly disagree with.
40 years ago maybe a dozen people could use a computer;
20 years ago researches and top government officials could;
10 years ago most "western" nations had wide spread PC's in homes;
2 years ago I would bet that over 75% of the worlds registered population had
been exposed to a computer.
The point is that society is becoming very computer savvy, and in doing so
_evolving_, if you will, into a teething mass that can use software packages
that require some small configuration steps -- what will it be like in 5
years?
Statistically everyone should be able to think of a Debian install as trivial
> The mainstream Linux distros are aimed at a technically inclined Linux
> audience. Users who are used to Windows and are just "trying it out" for
> the first time, are (from my first hand experience) turned off imediately
> by how different everything is. In most cases, that's the end of the
> experiment and they go back to Windows thinking Linux is for geeks and not
> for them (and with RH,Mandrake, etc. they're right).
Not really?
Have you actually sat a newbie down to Mandrake or RH?
You would be surprised at how similar most average computer users see things.
For example:
The start menu and the kicker are the same thing to someone who just wants to
use it, not know what it is. And a web browser is a browser irrespective of
its name, if it lets you view google and cnn then its good enough.
> It is this type of experience that Lindows, Lycoris, and Xandros are
> attempting to address, and are doing it quite well.
Except a lot of problems arise in these distro's as support is well .....
limited.
> Yes they charge for the product, (as does Ximian for the Evolution
> Connector), but they've put in a large investment of time to create the
> "easy transition" for those first time Windows users. They deserve
> something for that effort.
GNU and open source is not about a physical reward but about personal
satisfaction and peoples warm/heartfelt thanks.
> I, for one, applaud the efforts of these comanies that are attempting to
> make "Linux on the Desktop" an easy transition.
They should be applauded as it is something that wasnt ever imagined, but
that doesnt mean that what the fruit of their labour is, is something that
should automatically be credited as being superb.
--
Mushrooms always grow in damp places and so they look like umbrellas.
Registered Linux User 282072
<www.volutin.net -- everything irrelevant>
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| John Hasler 2002-12-20, 11:25 am |
| Joe Fredrickson writes:
> 40 years ago maybe a dozen people could use a computer;
Closer to 60 years.
> 20 years ago researches and top government officials could;
Not _false_, exactly (except for the "top government officials" part. Most
of them _still_ can't use a computer).
--
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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| Chris Morley 2002-12-20, 11:25 am |
| Joe Fredrickson wrote:
> The simplistic view on computers would be to think that Linux needs to show
> a respectable face to the world for it to excel in the Computer world. This
> I completely and strongly disagree with.
I don't believe that Linux _needs_ that to excel... but what I just hope is
that those /Windows-looking/ distros, like Lindows and Xandros, may spread
the Linux name enough to attract hardware makers attention... so we get
better hardware drivers (like MACs do).
On the other hand, I cannot ignore what someone else pointed out once: that
those distros may actually have the opposite effect on the Linux name as the
users will never know what is happening in the background. This could lead
to some security flaws that will depict Linux as a "not so secure OS" while
it is the distros that are not.
--
"Of course, in Perl culture, almost nothing is prohibited. My feeling is
that the rest of the world already has plenty of perfectly good prohibitions,
so why invent more?"
-- Larry Wall
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| Joe Fredrickson 2002-12-20, 5:24 pm |
| Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:58 am will from hence forward be known as the day John
Hasler blabbered:
> Joe Fredrickson writes:
>> 40 years ago maybe a dozen people could use a computer;
>
> Closer to 60 years.
The difference is marginal, computers didnt really grow globally much from
1940 to 1960 (I know that is slightly inaccurate but for the purposes of
the example it serves the point).
>> 20 years ago researches and top government officials could;
>
> Not _false_, exactly (except for the "top government officials" part. Most
> of them _still_ can't use a computer).
Well that is a stereotype -- but my line shouldve been more to the effect of
20 years ago researches and top goverenment officials had access to computers
--
Mushrooms always grow in damp places and so they look like umbrellas.
Registered Linux User 282072
<www.volutin.net -- everything irrelevant>
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| Mehtuus 2002-12-21, 7:24 am |
|
--->Bet you run as "administrator" all the time... or you really don't know since
--->it has set everything for you...
Wrong. The install has you set up both root and user accounts. Which one is used
after install is, as you know, up to the bag of water sitting in front of the
computer...
-Mehtuus
==========================
U Fix eMail
Thumpers get KF.
Annoying posters get 30day KF.
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| Chris Morley 2002-12-21, 10:25 am |
| Mehtuus wrote:
>
> --->Bet you run as "administrator" all the time... or you really don't know
> since --->it has set everything for you...
>
> Wrong. The install has you set up both root and user accounts. Which one is
> used after install is, as you know, up to the bag of water sitting in front
> of the computer...
Cool then...
--
Support organized crime: buy Microsoft products.
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| OSIRIS 2002-12-21, 5:27 pm |
| On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:46:31 -0600, "Dave Uhring" <dmuhring@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Xandros is a spammer.
>
>Say what you like about them but any company which spams is one from which
>I will never purchase anything.
I have been away from this thread for over a week, so I must have missed
something. I don't understand your comment about "Xandros is a spammer."
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| OSIRIS 2002-12-21, 5:27 pm |
| On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:46:42 -0500, Chris Morley <freedom@choice.lin> wrote:
>OSIRIS wrote:
>
>> To Joe, Chris, and Keith.
>>
>> I would like to respectfully take an opposing view to yours. I am not attacking
>> you personally, simply offering an oposing point of view.
>
>We can take that... )
Thanks.
>
>I'm just kind of fed up with this childish attitude of "my distro is /bigger/ than yours" ...
>
>Regards.
>
>Chris Morley.
I agree. Most mainstream distros are focused to a particular audience and have
tuned the look and feel to that audience. In most cases that audience seems to
be those that are already technically inclined.
I don't consider Xandros or Lindows to be the best/biggest/most powerful/etc. I
do, however, consider them an ideal stepping stone for the first few tentative
users in a corporate setting. Once they feel at home with it, the company can
justify the expenses and attendant problems of rolling out larger numbers of
workstations most likely using RedHat, Suse, Mandrake or whatever. For a
company wide conversion, any company would line up the technical expertise by
hiring an IT type that knew Linux or outsource to a consulting company (like
mine) that could provide the expertise. With the expertise available, they
could drop the "Linux-with-training-wheel" approach and go with a full
mainstream distro. No company is going to feel comfortable diving in head first
without access to a Linux expert, so that's why I see Lindows/Lycoris/Xandros as
important to the process.
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| Dave Uhring 2002-12-21, 6:24 pm |
| On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:05:52 +0000, OSIRIS wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:46:31 -0600, "Dave Uhring" <dmuhring@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Xandros is a spammer.
>>
>>Say what you like about them but any company which spams is one from which
>>I will never purchase anything.
>
> I have been away from this thread for over a week, so I must have missed
> something. I don't understand your comment about "Xandros is a spammer."
They sent me a solicitation to purchase their software and I have never
had any dealings with that company of any kind. Such marketing e-mail is
spam.
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| OSIRIS 2002-12-21, 6:24 pm |
| On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:53:38 GMT, Joe Fredrickson <joe@volutin.net> wrote:
>> I picked up this thread with Beast2k's reponse. He appears to say that he
>> was impressed by the work that the Xandros team have done. He was
>> expressing his delight in the ease of installation. Your collective
>> reaction was to suggest that he was a Linux newbie and a Windows refugee in
>> derogatory terms.
>
>I did no such thing, I merely expressed my point of view that the lack of
>self-configuration and windows-likeness were not something I admired in a
>distro. I also pointed out that the view of the GUI being great was only
>inherited from a theme that anyone could make/install on any distro. This
>in NO way proposes what you said.
Joe, I was not saying you alone said those things. I was putting forth the
overall impression I was left with after reading the three replies to Beast2K.
With regard to "a theme that anyone could make/install on any distro". The
whole point that I believe Lindows, Lycoris, and Xandros are making is that the
audience they are aiming for could NOT tweak the UI that easily, nor would most
of them want to. They are distros for absolute neophytes recently mired in the
world of Windows. These types of users want to take baby steps. It's
technically inclined users like you and I that enjoy the tweaking and fine
tuning.
>> I would like to respectfully suggest that the efforts of development teams
>> like Lycoris, Lindows, and Xandros are _absolutely_ needed if Linux is ever
>> going to succeed on the desktops of the Fortune 500 companies.
>
>To paraphrase Bill Gates
> "... Mircosoft will fail one day ..."
>
>The simplistic view on computers would be to think that Linux needs to show
>a respectable face to the world for it to excel in the Computer world. This
>I completely and strongly disagree with.
I would have phrased it slihjtly differently. I would say that Linux needs to
show, not a "repectable face", but a familiar one. Respectable or not, the
Windows "face" is the one that probably 90% of computer users are familiar with.
I'd also like to reiterate that the look and feel of Lindows or Lycoris is not
so that Linux can "excel in the Computer world", but so that more Fortune 500
types will at least give it a first try. Distros like Mandrake, Red Hat, SuSE,
etc can take care of the "excel" part after the initial inroads have been made.
>2 years ago I would bet that over 75% of the worlds registered population had
>been exposed to a computer.
With 90% plus being exposed to Windows (for better or for worse).
>The point is that society is becoming very computer savvy, and in doing so
>_evolving_, if you will, into a teething mass that can use software packages
>that require some small configuration steps -- what will it be like in 5
>years?
Your point is well made that computer literacy has been growing rapidly. Yet in
my job as a computer consultant I come across people all day and every day that
"hate computers" who barely know how to turn it on and start Microsoft Word.
Unfortunately, these people are often the "Office Manager" in a small company or
the Big Boss' Secretary in a larger place. Their opinions do count when buying
decisions are made. I know this from first hand experience.
>> The mainstream Linux distros are aimed at a technically inclined Linux
>> audience. Users who are used to Windows and are just "trying it out" for
>> the first time, are (from my first hand experience) turned off imediately
>> by how different everything is. In most cases, that's the end of the
>> experiment and they go back to Windows thinking Linux is for geeks and not
>> for them (and with RH,Mandrake, etc. they're right).
>
>Not really?
>Have you actually sat a newbie down to Mandrake or RH?
>You would be surprised at how similar most average computer users see things.
I am a computer consultant, my job is customer relations/sales/account
manager/etc. I am also a Novell CNE. I have used computers since my first Atari
PC in 1980. I don't consider myself an average user, yet I have had several
hair pulling sessions while trying to get various versions of Red Hat, SuSE and
Mandrake working the way I want. The learning curve on Linux is quite steep for
someone like me that didn't grow up in the Unix world.
>For example:
>The start menu and the kicker are the same thing to someone who just wants to
>use it, not know what it is. And a web browser is a browser irrespective of
>its name, if it lets you view google and cnn then its good enough.
In concept, you are correct. There is an old expression that "perception is
reality". What the user percieves may be absolutely wrong or off-base, but all
that matters is what they think. I actually installed SuSE 8 for a friend of
my wife and the first observation after booting was how different everything
looked. This comment was offered in a negative way and she said she thought
maybe we should just put Windows on.. It took about a half hour to point out
where things were and to get her to try it.
>> It is this type of experience that Lindows, Lycoris, and Xandros are
>> attempting to address, and are doing it quite well.
>
>Except a lot of problems arise in these distro's as support is well .....
>limited.
You could be right on that. I don't personally know how well their support is.
>> Yes they charge for the product, (as does Ximian for the Evolution
>> Connector), but they've put in a large investment of time to create the
>> "easy transition" for those first time Windows users. They deserve
>> something for that effort.
>
>GNU and open source is not about a physical reward but about personal
>satisfaction and peoples warm/heartfelt thanks.
And Evolution Connector is not released under GNU AFAIK.
>> I, for one, applaud the efforts of these comanies that are attempting to
>> make "Linux on the Desktop" an easy transition.
>
>They should be applauded as it is something that wasnt ever imagined, but
>that doesnt mean that what the fruit of their labour is, is something that
>should automatically be credited as being superb.
Beast2K's word was "AWESOME" and my reading of his post seemed to paint a
picture of him in my mind as being somewhat new to Linux and he was pleased with
how little configuring he had to do. That makes Xandros "superb" only in terms
of its goal of being easy for a first timer. I completely agree that it does
not make it superb by other measures.
BTW: I'm enjoying this discussion. Thanks.
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| HoboSong 2002-12-21, 8:24 pm |
| I believe it was OSIRIS who said...
> I agree. Most mainstream distros are focused to a particular audience and have
> tuned the look and feel to that audience. In most cases that audience seems to
> be those that are already technically inclined.
>
> I don't consider Xandros or Lindows to be the best/biggest/most powerful/etc. I
> do, however, consider them an ideal stepping stone for the first few tentative
> users in a corporate setting.
No way. That would be extremely lame and potentially dangerous for any
claim Linux has for being stable.
> Once they feel at home with it, the company can
> justify the expenses and attendant problems of rolling out larger numbers of
> workstations most likely using RedHat, Suse, Mandrake or whatever.
Why would they? If they were somehow satisfied with those Windows
clones, why would they bother "upgrading" to something else? Why
would you want them to go through 2 migrations instead of one ... that
makes little or no sense.
> For a
> company wide conversion, any company would line up the technical expertise by
> hiring an IT type that knew Linux or outsource to a consulting company (like
> mine) that could provide the expertise.
OK, so if you have the expertise, and you will be setting up the
machines.. why not go right for debian, Slack, or RedHat? If you do a
good job setting these things up, the end user wouldnt know the
difference... right?
> With the expertise available, they
> could drop the "Linux-with-training-wheel" approach and go with a full
> mainstream distro. No company is going to feel comfortable diving in head first
> without access to a Linux expert, so that's why I see Lindows/Lycoris/Xandros as
> important to the process.
Why would they need Lindows to get an expert. I think you are
confused. Im sure there are alot less Lindows experts than there are
Certified Red Hat engineers, or debian gurus.
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| OSIRIS 2002-12-21, 9:24 pm |
| On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 02:09:59 GMT, HoboSong <usenet@gnubin.com> wrote:
>> For a company wide conversion, any company would line up the technical expertise
>> by hiring an IT type that knew Linux or outsource to a consulting company (like
>> mine) that could provide the expertise.
>
> OK, so if you have the expertise, and you will be setting up the
> machines.. why not go right for debian, Slack, or RedHat? If you do a
> good job setting these things up, the end user wouldnt know the
> difference... right?
With repect, HoboSong, I don't think you got my point. I won't be "setting up
the machines" The initial "trial" or "test" is NOT going to be done by you or
me or anyone else technically inclined. It's going to be done by an adventurous
newbie whose only previous exposure is Windows.
>> With the expertise available, they
>> could drop the "Linux-with-training-wheel" approach and go with a full
>> mainstream distro. No company is going to feel comfortable diving in head first
>> without access to a Linux expert, so that's why I see Lindows/Lycoris/Xandros as
>> important to the process.
>
> Why would they need Lindows to get an expert. I think you are
> confused. Im sure there are alot less Lindows experts than there are
> Certified Red Hat engineers, or debian gurus.
Please re-read my post. I was saying that they would "try out" Linux by using
Lindows, Lycoris, or Xandros. Then, after they were impressed, they would hire
a technical person to do a conversion of other machines. They are not likely to
hire a technical person just to t"try it out", because they'd have to fire the
person if they didn;t like what they saw. That technical person, being aware of
the various distros, would recommend and rollout Red Hat (or Mandrake,or SuSE or
whatever)>
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