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Redhat vs Mandrake
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| Dennis 2002-11-27, 11:24 pm |
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Just curious, I know Mandrake is compiled for a Pentium processor and above.
If I installed Redhat on a Pentium III or 4 processor computer does it have
a special kernel? i686? OR does Redhat just install the kernel optimized for
the i386?
If so, Mandrake should technically run faster as a server right??? Just
wondering.
-Dennis
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| Paul Lutus 2002-11-27, 11:24 pm |
| On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:38:59 +0000, Dennis wrote:
> Just curious, I know Mandrake is compiled for a Pentium processor and
> above. If I installed Redhat on a Pentium III or 4 processor computer
> does it have a special kernel? i686? OR does Redhat just install the
> kernel optimized for the i386?
At install-time, Red Hat always defaults to a "universal" kernel, i.e.
i386. But you can either download or compile kernels for newer processors.
This is very easy.
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Paul Lutus
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| GilesX 2002-11-28, 2:24 am |
| On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:38:59 +0000, Dennis wrote:
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> If so, Mandrake should technically run faster as a server right??? Just
> wondering.
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> -Dennis
You might want to consider the amount of bloat that comes part and parcel
of a Mandrake distro. I'd bet the farm that it has some performance
overheads....
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| Joe Fredrickson 2002-11-28, 5:24 am |
| Thu, 28 Nov 2002 03:38 pm will from hence forward be known as the day Dennis
blabbered:
> it have a special kernel? i686? OR does Redhat just install the kernel
> optimized for the i386?
RH is optimised for i386 by default ( I thought someone said months ago that
there was a i586 release aswell but ive never found it ).
> If so, Mandrake should technically run faster as a server right??? Just
> wondering.
Technically.
[BUT] you will probably want to recompile your kernel either way personally
using mandrake would be better but its really your individual choice....
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| Scott C. Linnenbringer 2002-11-28, 10:25 am |
| On Wednesday 27 November 2002 10:38, Dennis wrote:
> Just curious, I know Mandrake is compiled for a Pentium processor and
> above. If I installed Redhat on a Pentium III or 4 processor computer does
> it have a special kernel? i686? OR does Redhat just install the kernel
> optimized for the i386?
>
> If so, Mandrake should technically run faster as a server right??? Just
> wondering.
>
> -Dennis
You might want to actually run a distribution meant for this purpose.
Mandrake and Red Hat are two overly bloated distributions meant for the
desktop; an alternative like Slackware with a rolled kernel would be better
for a Linux server.
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Scott C. Linnenbringer
finger sl at eskimo.com
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| Mandrake installs a bunch of programs on default, what really is not bloat
that would affect your performance, it would just take up more HD space.
Also you can choose not to install everything, because I don't use KDE or
Gnome, Mandrake usually installs on less than 200mb
GilesX wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:38:59 +0000, Dennis wrote:
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>> If so, Mandrake should technically run faster as a server right??? Just
>> wondering.
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>> -Dennis
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> You might want to consider the amount of bloat that comes part and parcel
> of a Mandrake distro. I'd bet the farm that it has some performance
> overheads....
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| ok, on mandrake the programs themselfs are compiled for 586, in RedHat the
programs are compiled for a 386. So in redhat even if you did recompile the
kernal to match your proccessor the programs would still be compiled as
386. However it does not seem that compileing the programs themselfs make
much of a diffence, maybe less that 5% performance increase.
Dennis wrote:
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> Just curious, I know Mandrake is compiled for a Pentium processor and
> above. If I installed Redhat on a Pentium III or 4 processor computer does
> it have a special kernel? i686? OR does Redhat just install the kernel
> optimized for the i386?
>
> If so, Mandrake should technically run faster as a server right??? Just
> wondering.
>
> -Dennis
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| Bill Unruh 2002-11-28, 1:24 pm |
| "Dennis" <abu228@hotmail.com> writes:
]Just curious, I know Mandrake is compiled for a Pentium processor and above.
]If I installed Redhat on a Pentium III or 4 processor computer does it have
]a special kernel? i686? OR does Redhat just install the kernel optimized for
]the i386?
It is the same kernel for all.
]If so, Mandrake should technically run faster as a server right??? Just
]wondering.
It has been claimed that in fact 586 optimisation is the worst of the
lot (ie worse than 386).
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| Dennis 2002-11-28, 1:24 pm |
| Thanks for all your reponses, I didn't expect to get so many. I totally
agree, I forgot to mention I would probably do a custom install and install
just what I need, I won't even install X because I don't want the bloat and
no need for a server.
So another question, I could probably have a server w/ LOTS of RAM and
probably won't notice too much of a difference if I wanted to use it as a
file server? how about web server?
Also, what would be a better package management system other then RPMs. I
tried the tar/config/make/make install method. What do you think of stuff
like *.deb, gentoo "bsd" style system, any others. I think slack has pkgadd,
something like that. I tried it but haven't had enough experience.
Sorry so many questions...I've quite a bit of research, it just seems like
it comes down to preference...just want some opinions from people who use
these methods.
Again, thank you so much for your responses.
-Dennis
PS. Here is a stupid question just sort of bothers me that I haven't been
able to figure out:
When you install redhat and not installing X, the prompt comes up at the
top. Sort of like a "clear" then the prompt appears. Other distro's when
everything boots up leaves all the messages and just goes straight to
prompt. How do you get it so you can clear the screen and put the prompt up
on top???
I'm sure it's just a simple command in some script somewhere. =)
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| William D. Tallman 2002-11-28, 3:24 pm |
| Bill Unruh wrote:
[snip]
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> It has been claimed that in fact 586 optimisation is the worst of the
> lot (ie worse than 386).
I've seen it argued that later processors automagically optimize i386 code,
and that pre-optimization detracts from rather than enhances performance.
Is this true? If so, how so?
Bill Tallman
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Registered Linux User: #221586
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| GilesX 2002-11-28, 4:24 pm |
| On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:26:04 +0000, zerr wrote:
> Mandrake installs a bunch of programs on default, what really is not bloat
> that would affect your performance, it would just take up more HD space.
> Also you can choose not to install everything, because I don't use KDE or
> Gnome, Mandrake usually installs on less than 200mb
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Have you seen how many superfluous services Mandrake installs on default?
These use up both RAM and possibly a little cpu...
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| Rogerb 2002-11-28, 7:24 pm |
| On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:06:05 -0800, Dennis <abu228@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for all your reponses, I didn't expect to get so many. I totally
> agree, I forgot to mention I would probably do a custom install and install
> just what I need, I won't even install X because I don't want the bloat and
> no need for a server.
>
> So another question, I could probably have a server w/ LOTS of RAM and
> probably won't notice too much of a difference if I wanted to use it as a
> file server? how about web server?
>
> Also, what would be a better package management system other then RPMs. I
> tried the tar/config/make/make install method. What do you think of stuff
> like *.deb, gentoo "bsd" style system, any others. I think slack has pkgadd,
> something like that. I tried it but haven't had enough experience.
>
> Sorry so many questions...I've quite a bit of research, it just seems like
> it comes down to preference...just want some opinions from people who use
> these methods.
>
> Again, thank you so much for your responses.
>
> -Dennis
>
> PS. Here is a stupid question just sort of bothers me that I haven't been
> able to figure out:
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> When you install redhat and not installing X, the prompt comes up at the
> top. Sort of like a "clear" then the prompt appears. Other distro's when
> everything boots up leaves all the messages and just goes straight to
> prompt. How do you get it so you can clear the screen and put the prompt up
> on top???
>
> I'm sure it's just a simple command in some script somewhere. =)
>
>
You could try CTRL l that mmight work.
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| GilesX 2002-11-28, 8:24 pm |
| On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:07:19 +0000, GilesX wrote:
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> Have you seen how many superfluous services Mandrake installs on default?
> These use up both RAM and possibly a little cpu...
Oh, and I forgot, Mandrake also defaults to the ugly-as-XXXX KDE desktop.
However, seeing as you don't even plan on running X this is hardly an
issue.....
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