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Re: $25 Singapore dollar and you'll receive latest distro for 1 year (MDK9/RH8 etc)
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| Faux_Pseudo 2002-10-02, 2:25 pm |
| _.--- CJ spoke in alt.os.linux --------._
> For $25 Singapore Dollars, you receive the current release and all major
> releases during your subscription period.
>
> No tax, No shipping cost, no extras.
> Is that simple.
You might want to familiarize yourself with the rules of what you can
an can not charge for under the GPL and rewrite that before you get
sued.
> 1. $25 is $2 a month that is 6 cents a day to support Linux.
The way I am reading it is that one would be supporting you and not
Linux because you don't state that any of the money would make it to
any Linux distro.
> 3. We spend far more then $25 a year to upsize our French fries.
How many McDonald's are in Singapore? And why the hell would you eat
at any one of them to the point that "upsize" would be that deeply
ingrained in your mind? "plus size" or "biggy size" or even "super
size" are much better options than the crap at McDonald's. And I say
that as someone who cooks all his own food and doesn't even own a TV.
'---...____ Faux_Pseudo ________________...---~~~
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| John Hasler 2002-10-02, 4:25 pm |
| Faux_Pseudo writes:
> You might want to familiarize yourself with the rules of what you can an
> can not charge for under the GPL and rewrite that before you get sued.
You might want to read the GPL yourself. There is nothing there that can
get him sued.
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John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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| Paul Lutus 2002-10-02, 4:25 pm |
| CJ wrote:
> Service for Singapore Linux User.
>
> We offer 1 year subscription service for major GPL version like Mandrake,
> RedHat, Slackware, ASP Linux.
Those distributions are free for the downloading.
>
> For $25 Singapore Dollars, you receive the current release and all major
> releases during your subscription period.
Therefore you are illegally selling freeware. And spamming newsgrups.
>
> No tax, No shipping cost, no extras.
> Is that simple.
Except the part where you get arrested for fraud.
>
> Get your latest Mandrake GPL 9.0, RedHat 8.0 now!
>
> Fact:
>
> 1. $25 is $2 a month that is 6 cents a day to support Linux.
It is also theft, if the thing being sold is free.
>
> 2. We spent $213.6 a year for a 60 cents newspaper.
Newspapers are not free, so the comparison is not valid.
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> 3. We spend far more then $25 a year to upsize our French fries.
French Fries aren't free, but they ought to be.
>
> Click here: http://getlinuxcd.no-ip.com
Forwarded to your government for fraud prosecution.
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Paul Lutus
www.arachnoid.com
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| don_pettengill@spamgilent.com 2002-10-02, 4:25 pm |
| Paul Lutus <nospam@nosite.zzz> wrote:
:> Click here: http://getlinuxcd.no-ip.com
: Forwarded to your government for fraud prosecution.
There's nothing wrong with selling the CDs; it's a lot better than
downloading and burning for many people. CheapBytes does it, and for a
comparable price here in the US. I think it's a great idea if done in
an honest and businesslike manner. I have used CheapBytes myself
several times, even though I have a fast internet connection. For a
dial-up user, the CD is essential, and since Singapore is so far away
from the US I think a local CD seller there could get good business.
Fraud? Nonsense.
Don Pettengill
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| Faux_Pseudo 2002-10-02, 5:25 pm |
| _.--- John Hasler spoke in alt.os.linux --------._
> Faux_Pseudo writes:
>> You might want to familiarize yourself with the rules of what you can an
>> can not charge for under the GPL and rewrite that before you get sued.
>
> You might want to read the GPL yourself. There is nothing there that can
> get him sued.
You can charge for shiping and you can charge for disks. He is
advertising this as a service. "no shiping, no ..."
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| Michael Heiming 2002-10-02, 5:25 pm |
| Faux_Pseudo (<slrnapmosh.kcu.Faux_Pseudo@fugozi.cx1209071-a> ):
> _.--- John Hasler spoke in alt.os.linux --------._
>> Faux_Pseudo writes:
>>> You might want to familiarize yourself with the rules of what
>>> you can an can not charge for under the GPL and rewrite that
>>> before you get sued.
>>
>> You might want to read the GPL yourself. There is nothing there
>> that can get him sued.
>
> You can charge for shiping and you can charge for disks. He is
> advertising this as a service. "no shiping, no ..."
If you reread the OP, his "service" is delivering you the distros
on CD, that's the service. One can download RH, so it should be
valid under GPL, dunno about RH provided installer and alike.
However, read the EULA RH made up for their advanced server product,
looks as if they got some lawyer from M$, to write it for them...
This might be a good idea for people without a fast internet
connection, who might not be able to pay the usual distro prices.
If one can afford them, he should, most big distros pay Linux
developers, that they can work fulltime on their GPL projects.
At least the docs that come printed with a distro, might be
helpfull, for someone beginning. Even if the RH Linux
"Installationshandbuch" in front of me, isn't really big...
After all, it doesn't really matter, might be just another step, to
Linus "total world domination" joke...;-)
Michael Heiming
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| John Hasler 2002-10-02, 6:25 pm |
| Paul Lutus writes:
> Therefore you are illegally selling freeware.
It is entirely legal to sell Free Software. If you can't sell it it isn't
Free.
> And spamming newsgrups.
You got that part right.
> Except the part where you get arrested for fraud.
He is doing nothing illegal. Even if he were, it would be copyright
infringement, not fraud.
> It is also theft, if the thing being sold is free.
Wrong. It is entirely legal to sell Free Software. If you can't sell it
it isn't Free. And again, even if what he is doing were illegal it would be
copyright infringement, not theft.
Hint: www.cheapbytes.com
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John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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| John Hasler 2002-10-02, 6:25 pm |
| Faux_Pseudo writes:
> You can charge for shiping and you can charge for disks.
You can charge as much as you want for the copies.
> He is advertising this as a service. "no shiping, no ..."
Or for the service of creating them. He is doing nothing illegal.
--
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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| Paul Lutus 2002-10-03, 3:25 am |
| CJ wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> Thanks for your feedback, I'll try to see your point and see what I can
> do. But then I don't own Linux or it's distro, I'm providing a
> subscription service to receive a copy.
What you are doing is illegal. You need to acknowledge this and act
accordingly. It is fraud.
--
Paul Lutus
www.arachnoid.com
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| Paul Lutus 2002-10-03, 3:25 am |
| John Hasler wrote:
> Paul Lutus writes:
>> Therefore you are illegally selling freeware.
>
> It is entirely legal to sell Free Software. If you can't sell it it isn't
> Free.
False. And the most twisted logic I ever saw.
>
>> And spamming newsgrups.
>
> You got that part right.
>
>> Except the part where you get arrested for fraud.
>
> He is doing nothing illegal. Even if he were, it would be copyright
> infringement, not fraud.
Look up "fraud." It is a deception.
--
Paul Lutus
www.arachnoid.com
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| Jukka-Pekka Suominen INF 2002-10-03, 3:25 am |
| Paul Lutus wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>> Paul Lutus writes:
>>> Therefore you are illegally selling freeware.
>> It is entirely legal to sell Free Software. If you can't sell it it
>> isn't Free.
> False. And the most twisted logic I ever saw.
No, true. And it's you who have a twisted look on the subject. Don't think
"free beer", but "free speech". It is perfectly ok to charge whatever you
desire for anything that's under the GPL. Nobody has to pay you, though,
coz there's (usually) always the option of getting the same thing for free
(as in beer) someplace else.
[colo
r=darkred]
>>> And spamming newsgrups.
>> You got that part right.
>>> Except the part where you get arrested for fraud.
>> He is doing nothing illegal. Even if he were, it would be copyright
>> infringement, not fraud.
> Look up "fraud." It is a deception.[/color]
Yes, and where exactly is the deception here? And yes, it would be
copyright infringement. You ought to get your facts straight before you
start threating people with lawsuits.
--
Jukka-Pekka Suominen Assembler is for wimps!
Åbo Akademi - MNF/IB *Real* programmers flip switches!
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| Peter T. Breuer 2002-10-03, 5:25 am |
| Paul Lutus <nospam@nosite.zzz> wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>> Paul Lutus writes:
>>> Therefore you are illegally selling freeware.
>>
>> It is entirely legal to sell Free Software. If you can't sell it it isn't
>> Free.
> False. And the most twisted logic I ever saw.
True. The point is that they're free to sell it too. They have to
provide access to the source code at no additional charge, though.
>> He is doing nothing illegal. Even if he were, it would be copyright
>> infringement, not fraud.
> Look up "fraud." It is a deception.
It isn't. Is what they are selling not what they purport it is?
Peter
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| John Hasler 2002-10-03, 9:25 am |
| Paul Lutus writes:
> What you are doing is illegal.
What he is doing is entirely legal.
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John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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| John Hasler 2002-10-03, 9:25 am |
| CJ writes:
> I'm doing this for leisure and trying to make it as cheap as possible but
> a reliable service.
You can do it at a profit if you wish. That is entirely legal.
--
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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| John Hasler 2002-10-03, 9:25 am |
| I wrote:
> It is entirely legal to sell Free Software. If you can't sell it it
> isn't Free.
Paul Lutus writes:
> False. And the most twisted logic I ever saw.
Read the FAQs at www.gnu.org, the Open Source Definition, and the Debian
Free Software Guidelines from which it was derived.
--
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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| Paul Lutus 2002-10-03, 4:25 pm |
| John Hasler wrote:
> Paul Lutus writes:
>> What you are doing is illegal.
>
> What he is doing is entirely legal.
You have not though this through, or read my posts. IF he offers to sell
disks full of free software, AND IF he doesn't advise his clients that the
software is free, then a fraud is being committed.
All he has to do is post the true nature of his offering on his web site. He
doesn't do this. Therefore it is fraudulent.
The offering is not a fraud. The method of promotion is.
--
Paul Lutus
www.arachnoid.com
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| Paul Lutus 2002-10-03, 4:25 pm |
| John Hasler wrote:
> I wrote:
>> It is entirely legal to sell Free Software. If you can't sell it it
>> isn't Free.
>
> Paul Lutus writes:
>> False. And the most twisted logic I ever saw.
>
> Read the FAQs at www.gnu.org, the Open Source Definition, and the Debian
> Free Software Guidelines from which it was derived.
You have not bothered to think this through. Read my other post. It is HOW
he is offering the software, not the fact that he is offering it.
--
Paul Lutus
www.arachnoid.com
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| Paul Lutus 2002-10-03, 4:25 pm |
| Peter T. Breuer wrote:
> Paul Lutus <nospam@nosite.zzz> wrote:
>> John Hasler wrote:
>
>>> Paul Lutus writes:
>>>> Therefore you are illegally selling freeware.
>>>
>>> It is entirely legal to sell Free Software. If you can't sell it it
>>> isn't Free.
>
>> False. And the most twisted logic I ever saw.
>
> True. The point is that they're free to sell it too. They have to
> provide access to the source code at no additional charge, though.
>
>>> He is doing nothing illegal. Even if he were, it would be copyright
>>> infringement, not fraud.
>
>> Look up "fraud." It is a deception.
>
> It isn't. Is what they are selling not what they purport it is?
The fraud arises from the fact that the OP doesn't tell his clients that it
is free software. This leads to fraud, even though the offering is legal in
principle.
Visit his Web site. Look for a clear statement about the software and the
client's options.
--
Paul Lutus
www.arachnoid.com
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| Paul Lutus 2002-10-03, 4:25 pm |
| Jukka-Pekka Suominen INF wrote:
> Paul Lutus wrote:
>> John Hasler wrote:
>>> Paul Lutus writes:
>>>> Therefore you are illegally selling freeware.
>>> It is entirely legal to sell Free Software. If you can't sell it it
>>> isn't Free.
>> False. And the most twisted logic I ever saw.
>
> No, true. And it's you who have a twisted look on the subject.
Think. Read.
>> Look up "fraud." It is a deception.
>
> Yes, and where exactly is the deception here?
The OP doesn't tell visitors to his Web site that the software is free, and
that the visitors have the option of downloading it for free. It is
fraudulent and deceptive.
> And yes, it would be
> copyright infringement. You ought to get your facts straight before you
> start threating people with lawsuits.
What? I did no such thing. It is you who needs to get his facts straight.
--
Paul Lutus
www.arachnoid.com
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| Peter T. Breuer 2002-10-03, 5:25 pm |
| Paul Lutus <nospam@nosite.zzz> wrote:
>> Yes, and where exactly is the deception here?
> The OP doesn't tell visitors to his Web site that the software is free, and
> that the visitors have the option of downloading it for free. It is
Resellers are under no obligation to tell people how much the goods
cost them! And besides, he's selling the convenience of not having to
go look for them and "download them for free".
> fraudulent and deceptive.
It most certainly is not. He provides what he says he provides.
Peter
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