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mount -t ntfs.....

Alejandro Matos

2002-09-26, 8:29 pm

Hi every1!!

When i try to mount a windows partition, i have this error:
the NFTS system files are not suported by the kernel

command line:
mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/partD

What should i do??? should i recompile??? (not good in english)
and if I have to...how do i do it?????
i have no idea :-(

Thanks in advance :-D
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....tupac manchis kama...
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Dale

2002-09-26, 8:29 pm

>When i try to mount a windows partition, i have this error:
>the NFTS system files are not suported by the kernel

This means that NTFS support is not available in the kernel you are
running, nor is there a loadable module to support it.

You have 2 choices I'm aware of:

1. Recompile the kernel to include NTFS support - there are howtos
available but the write support is EXPERIMENTAL and you should not
trust it at this time.

2. Install the Samba package. This package allows you to mount
windose shares and the samba daemon will manage the file system
differences for you. The mount command will look like:

mount -t smbfs //SERVERNAME/SHARENAME /linux_mount_point
username=<share username>%<share password>

This will allow you whatever access is permitted based on the options
set up on windose for the share itself, from the linux box. You can
also allow the windose boxes access to directories on the linux box
through samba. Go to www.samba.org and read.

By far and away the best choice is #2.

Dale

2002-09-26, 9:29 pm

Paul Lutus

2002-09-26, 9:29 pm

Dale wrote:

>>When i try to mount a windows partition, i have this error:
>>the NFTS system files are not suported by the kernel
>
> This means that NTFS support is not available in the kernel you are
> running, nor is there a loadable module to support it.
>
> You have 2 choices I'm aware of:
>
> 1. Recompile the kernel to include NTFS support - there are howtos
> available but the write support is EXPERIMENTAL and you should not
> trust it at this time.
>
> 2. Install the Samba package. This package allows you to mount
> windose shares and the samba daemon will manage the file system
> differences for you. The mount command will look like:

Wait. Samba can't read an NTFS partition on the same machine. It is meant to
access networked Windows machines running Windows. Option #1 is the correct
approach.

--
Paul Lutus
www.arachnoid.com

Billy Watt

2002-09-26, 9:29 pm

In news:3D93CAFB.3000201@hotmail.com, Alejandro Matos rambled thus:
> Hi every1!!
>
> When i try to mount a windows partition, i have this error:
> the NFTS system files are not suported by the kernel
>
> command line:
> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/partD
>
> What should i do??? should i recompile??? (not good in english)
> and if I have to...how do i do it?????
> i have no idea :-(
>
> Thanks in advance :-D

You're using Red Hat aren't you ? They don't include it in their kernels.

You will have to re-compile the kernel to include NTFS read support. This is
experimental but has worked fine on my machine. I wouldn't try the write
support as it seems to be good at killing NTFS partitions.

Billy

Paul Lutus

2002-09-26, 10:29 pm

Billy Watt

2002-09-26, 10:29 pm

Joachim Feise

2002-09-26, 11:29 pm

Dale wrote:
>>When i try to mount a windows partition, i have this error:
>>the NFTS system files are not suported by the kernel
>
>
> This means that NTFS support is not available in the kernel you are
> running, nor is there a loadable module to support it.
>
> You have 2 choices I'm aware of:
>
> 1. Recompile the kernel to include NTFS support - there are howtos
> available but the write support is EXPERIMENTAL and you should not
> trust it at this time.

The *only* choice.

>
> 2. Install the Samba package. This package allows you to mount
> windose shares and the samba daemon will manage the file system
> differences for you. The mount command will look like:

Won't work. In order to use Samba to access a Windows machine, you
obviously need to have Windows running. That logically prevents
connecting to Windows filesystems on the same machine.

Joe Fredrickson

2002-09-26, 11:29 pm

On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:34 pm, Paul Lutus posted to alt.os.linux the
following blurb ::

> Wait. Samba can't read an NTFS partition on the same machine. It is meant
> to access networked Windows machines running Windows. Option #1 is the
> correct approach.
>

Technically yes it could....

Windows -> Linux AND Linux -> Windows
File sharing is covered by samba, therefore (allthough not a logical
way to work in Linux) one could export a folder and then mount that
export to another folder using samba (in a Linux client)....

Now in this case this wont really help, because you need to have the
exported folder mounted anyways, so its not an option but the idea
of a Samba hosted single client/server is an option... but a little
rediculous.

--
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Registered Linux User 282072
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Joachim Feise

2002-09-27, 12:29 am

Joe Fredrickson

2002-09-27, 12:30 am

Paul Lutus

2002-09-27, 1:29 am

Joe Fredrickson wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:34 pm, Paul Lutus posted to alt.os.linux the
> following blurb ::
>
>> Wait. Samba can't read an NTFS partition on the same machine. It is meant
>> to access networked Windows machines running Windows. Option #1 is the
>> correct approach.
>>
>
> Technically yes it could....
>
> Windows -> Linux AND Linux -> Windows
> File sharing is covered by samba, therefore (allthough not a logical
> way to work in Linux) one could export a folder and then mount that
> export to another folder using samba (in a Linux client)....
>
> Now in this case this wont really help, because you need to have the
> exported folder mounted anyways, so its not an option but the idea
> of a Samba hosted single client/server is an option... but a little
> rediculous.

Samba won't itself read an NTFS partition on the local machine. It requires
a network machine running Windows. Or another machine equipped with Samba,
although this is more or less a waste (NFS is much better in that case).

--
Paul Lutus
www.arachnoid.com

Paul Lutus

2002-09-27, 2:29 am

Michael Heiming

2002-09-27, 11:29 am

Alejandro Matos (<3D93CAFB.3000201@hotmail.com> ):

> Hi every1!!
>
> When i try to mount a windows partition, i have this error:
> the NFTS system files are not suported by the kernel
>
> command line:
> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/partD
>
> What should i do??? should i recompile??? (not good in english)
> and if I have to...how do i do it?????
> i have no idea :-(

NTFS kernel support is experimental and might need a recompile, as
others stated, use it with caution. Only if you perform regular
backups!

I would suggest using partition magic or alike, free up some space
and create a VFAT partition, Linux and M$ will be able to
read/write without a problem. Or put in another hd and use VFAT.

Michael Heiming
--
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Michael Heiming

2002-09-27, 12:29 pm

Chris Share

2002-09-27, 4:29 pm

On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:36:57 +0200, Michael Heiming said:
>Alejandro Matos (<3D93CAFB.3000201@hotmail.com> ):
>
>> Hi every1!!
>>
>> When i try to mount a windows partition, i have this error:
>> the NFTS system files are not suported by the kernel
>>
>> command line:
>> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/partD
>>
>> What should i do??? should i recompile??? (not good in english)
>> and if I have to...how do i do it?????
>> i have no idea :-(
>
>NTFS kernel support is experimental and might need a recompile, as
>others stated, use it with caution. Only if you perform regular
>backups!

That's write support you're thinking of... read support is rock solid.

>I would suggest using partition magic or alike, free up some space
>and create a VFAT partition, Linux and M$ will be able to
>read/write without a problem. Or put in another hd and use VFAT.

This is definitely a good idea though. However windows doesn't always
spot changes when you resume from hibernation...

chris

Chris Share

2002-09-27, 5:29 pm

Paul Lutus

2002-09-27, 7:29 pm

Paul Lutus

2002-09-27, 8:29 pm

Chris Share

2002-09-27, 9:29 pm

On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:02:14 -0700, Paul Lutus said:
>Joe Fredrickson wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:34 pm, Paul Lutus posted to alt.os.linux the
>> following blurb ::
>>
>>> Wait. Samba can't read an NTFS partition on the same machine. It is meant
>>> to access networked Windows machines running Windows. Option #1 is the
>>> correct approach.
>>>
>>
>> Technically yes it could....
>
>Technically, read my post. Not on the same machine.

Technically, yes it can. ***If*** you have VMWare or similar, that can
access the physical partition for you.

However, in the vast majority of cases it can't.

chris

Chris Share

2002-09-27, 10:29 pm

Paul Lutus

2002-09-28, 1:29 am

Chris Share wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:02:14 -0700, Paul Lutus said:
>>Joe Fredrickson wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:34 pm, Paul Lutus posted to alt.os.linux the
>>> following blurb ::
>>>
>>>> Wait. Samba can't read an NTFS partition on the same machine. It is
>>>> meant to access networked Windows machines running Windows. Option #1
>>>> is the correct approach.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Technically yes it could....
>>
>>Technically, read my post. Not on the same machine.
>
> Technically, yes it can. ***If*** you have VMWare or similar, that can
> access the physical partition for you.

That is a different topic, one not raised until now. And in that case, Samba
has no role, because there is local access.

>
> However, in the vast majority of cases it can't.

Like the original case.

--
Paul Lutus
www.arachnoid.com

Paul Lutus

2002-09-28, 2:28 am

Sim

2002-09-28, 12:29 pm

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:27:24 -0700, Joachim Feise <jfeise@ics.uci.edu>
wrote:

>> 1. Recompile the kernel to include NTFS support - there are howtos
>> available but the write support is EXPERIMENTAL and you should not
>> trust it at this time.
>
>The *only* choice.
>

or use Mandrake 9.0.

Sim

2002-09-28, 1:29 pm

Chris Share

2002-09-28, 2:29 pm

On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:31:07 -0700, Paul Lutus said:
>Chris Share wrote:
>> Technically, yes it can. ***If*** you have VMWare or similar, that can
>> access the physical partition for you.
>
>That is a different topic, one not raised until now. And in that case, Samba
>has no role, because there is local access.

No, samba is involved, cos the guest OS accesses the host's files via
smb.

Unless I'm thinking of a different but similar program...

chris

Joachim Feise

2002-09-28, 2:29 pm

Sim wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:27:24 -0700, Joachim Feise <jfeise@ics.uci.edu>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>1. Recompile the kernel to include NTFS support - there are howtos
>>>available but the write support is EXPERIMENTAL and you should not
>>>trust it at this time.
>>
>>The *only* choice.
>>
>
>
> or use Mandrake 9.0.

Or any other distro that includes NTFS supports out of the box.

Chris Share

2002-09-28, 3:29 pm

Joachim Feise

2002-09-28, 3:29 pm

Richard Adams

2002-09-28, 3:29 pm

In article <an51bh$61v$2@news.service.uci.edu>, "Joachim Feise"
<jfeise@ics.uci.edu> wrote:

> Sim wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:27:24 -0700, Joachim Feise <jfeise@ics.uci.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>1. Recompile the kernel to include NTFS support - there are howtos
>>>>available but the write support is EXPERIMENTAL and you should not
>>>>trust it at this time.
>>>
>>>The *only* choice.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> or use Mandrake 9.0.
>
> Or any other distro that includes NTFS supports out of the box.
>

I dont have the kernel source from 2.4.19 here but i do from 2.4.18 and
here is the Configure.help part for NTFS, to make it "quite clear" there
are two sorts of NTFS support, "read-only" and "write support".

NTFS file system support (read-only)
CONFIG_NTFS_FS
NTFS is the file system of Microsoft Windows NT. Say Y if you want
to get read access to files on NTFS partitions of your hard drive.
The Linux NTFS driver supports most of the mount options of the VFAT
driver, see <file

ocumentation/filesystems/ntfs.txt>. Saying Y here
will give you read-only access to NTFS partitions.

This code is also available as a module ( = code which can be
inserted in and removed from the running kernel whenever you want).
The module will be called ntfs.o. If you want to compile it as a
module, say M here and read <file

ocumentation/modules.txt>.

NTFS write support (DANGEROUS)
CONFIG_NTFS_RW
If you say Y here, you will (maybe) be able to write to NTFS file
systems as well as read from them. The read-write support in NTFS
is far from being complete and is not well tested. If you say Y
here, back up your NTFS volume first, since it will probably get
damaged. Also, download the Linux-NTFS project distribution from
Sourceforge at <http://linux-ntfs.sf.net/> and always run the
included ntfsfix utility after writing to an NTFS partition from
Linux to fix some of the damage done by the driver. You should run
ntfsfix _after_ unmounting the partition in Linux but _before_
rebooting into Windows. When Windows next boots, chkdsk will be
run automatically to fix the remaining damage.
Please note that write support is limited to Windows NT4 and
earlier versions.

If unsure, say N.

Now, this is "NOT" a distribution spesific option, so saying use
mandrake-9.0 is rubbish, this is a kernel question, if the kernel does
not support it, then NO distribution can possably support write support
for NTFS IF it is still "EXPERIMENTAL", period.

--
Regards Richard
pa3gcu@zeelandnet.nl
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/

Richard Adams

2002-09-28, 4:29 pm

Chris Share

2002-09-28, 4:29 pm

On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:18:36 +0000, Richard Adams said:
>In article <an51bh$61v$2@news.service.uci.edu>, "Joachim Feise"
><jfeise@ics.uci.edu> wrote:
>>> or use Mandrake 9.0.
>>
>> Or any other distro that includes NTFS supports out of the box.
>>
>
>I dont have the kernel source from 2.4.19 here but i do from 2.4.18 and
>here is the Configure.help part for NTFS, to make it "quite clear" there
>are two sorts of NTFS support, "read-only" and "write support".
>
>Now, this is "NOT" a distribution spesific option, so saying use
>mandrake-9.0 is rubbish, this is a kernel question, if the kernel does
>not support it, then NO distribution can possably support write support
>for NTFS IF it is still "EXPERIMENTAL", period.

Yes, and mandrake supports read-only out the box. Certain distros
don't. Which means it is a distro thing, since some distros make you
you recompile your kernel to add (totally safe) access to your windows
partitions.

chris

Richard Adams

2002-09-28, 4:29 pm

In article <an59ne.29g.1@ID-37118.user.dfncis.de>, "Chris Share"
<chris@caesium.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>>Now, this is "NOT" a distribution spesific option, so saying use
>>mandrake-9.0 is rubbish, this is a kernel question, if the kernel does
>>not support it, then NO distribution can possably support write support
>>for NTFS IF it is still "EXPERIMENTAL", period.
>
> Yes, and mandrake supports read-only out the box. Certain distros don't.
> Which means it is a distro thing, since some distros make you you
> recompile your kernel to add (totally safe) access to your windows
> partitions.
>
> chris

Is that the case?, ok tell me which one does not support it then.???
Most all kernels in differnt distro's i have seen have NTFS (read)
support in modules form.
Or must i make a list of all the ones that do or do not, i dont really
have the time to do that sort of thing.

Was the orginal question not about writing NTFS support or was it that
someone pointed out that write support is not supported, to be honest i
cant remember, i have seen so many questions about this it makes one, "word
blind" and futher more it makes one (sometimes) want to say please rtfm, but
that is not really very nice is it.

If it was not then i will shut up, we all make mistakes.

--
Regards Richard
pa3gcu@zeelandnet.nl
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/

Chris Share

2002-09-28, 5:29 pm

Richard Adams

2002-09-28, 5:29 pm

Joachim Feise

2002-09-28, 6:29 pm

Richard Adams wrote:
> In article <an59ne.29g.1@ID-37118.user.dfncis.de>, "Chris Share"
> <chris@caesium.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>>Now, this is "NOT" a distribution spesific option, so saying use
>>>mandrake-9.0 is rubbish, this is a kernel question, if the kernel does
>>>not support it, then NO distribution can possably support write support
>>>for NTFS IF it is still "EXPERIMENTAL", period.
>>
>>Yes, and mandrake supports read-only out the box. Certain distros don't.
>>Which means it is a distro thing, since some distros make you you
>>recompile your kernel to add (totally safe) access to your windows
>>partitions.
>>
>>chris
>
>
>
> Is that the case?, ok tell me which one does not support it then.???

If you read other posts in this thread, you'd know that Redhat apparently
does *not* include NTFS read support in their distro, meaning if you want
to use NTFS with RH, you'd have to recompile the kernel.

> Was the orginal question not about writing NTFS support or was it that
> someone pointed out that write support is not supported

Neither. It was that mount -t ntfs failed with a message saying that it
wasn't supported by the kernel.

-Joe

Joachim Feise

2002-09-28, 7:29 pm

Paul Lutus

2002-09-28, 7:29 pm

Chris Share wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:31:07 -0700, Paul Lutus said:
>>Chris Share wrote:
>>> Technically, yes it can. ***If*** you have VMWare or similar, that can
>>> access the physical partition for you.
>>
>>That is a different topic, one not raised until now. And in that case,
>>Samba has no role, because there is local access.
>
> No, samba is involved, cos the guest OS accesses the host's files via
> smb.

The original discussion was about a single computer with two partitions, one
ext3 and one ntfs.

If it's a network with a mix of Linux and Windows machines, then yes --
Samba is the right tool for Linux <--> Windows communication.

If it's one computer with two partitions, one "linux," one "NTFS Windows",
then no -- Samba has no role.

--
Paul Lutus
www.arachnoid.com

Paul Lutus

2002-09-28, 8:28 pm

Niklas Herder

2002-10-05, 5:25 am

If you want NTFS support, you have to recompile the kernel.
Beware though, using NTFS is risky in Linux, especially if you are going
to write to the partition. You risk losing data!

If you *really* want to take the risk:

Short version:

cd /usr/src/linux

make menuconfig

go to the 'File systems' section, check NTFS Support (either M or *)

make dep && make bzImage modules modules_install

cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage.new (or what you want to call it,
don't overwrite your old kernel until you're sure the new one is working.)

Edit /etc/lilo.conf (see man lilo), or /boot/grub/menu.lst (see man grub)

Run lilo if that's what you're using, reboot and see if it works.

But I would advise you to back up your important data first...

/N

On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Alejandro Matos wrote:

> Hi every1!!
>
> When i try to mount a windows partition, i have this error:
> the NFTS system files are not suported by the kernel
>
> command line:
> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/partD
>
> What should i do??? should i recompile??? (not good in english)
> and if I have to...how do i do it?????
> i have no idea :-(
>
> Thanks in advance :-D
> --
> Alejandro Matos
> Perumanta Austriapi
> ...tupac manchis kama...
> Linux registered user: 287900
> --
>
>
>
>
>

Chris Share

2002-10-05, 7:25 am

On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:54:22 +0200, Niklas Herder said:
>If you want NTFS support, you have to recompile the kernel.

Check it first... your distro might include read support as standard.

>Beware though, using NTFS is risky in Linux, especially if you are going
>to write to the partition. You risk losing data!

No, only write support is risky. Read-only support is pretty much as
safe as anything...

chris

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