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| Steffi 2003-07-08, 6:24 am |
| I hardly hear anything good about Novell these days. Is it worth to write its exam.
Steffi S.
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| Stuart Robinson 2003-07-08, 11:27 am |
| Like most things that depends.
I am self employed and the CNE cert certainly helps to pick up work from
local computer dealers, although thats reducing since fewer of these are
proposing (and installing) Netware these days. If your brought up on a
diet of Windows, your not going to install a product that you know little
about even if there are very good reasons for doing so.
My main area is Small Business Suite, for the price its a great product.
Very reliable (once installed) and has low maintenance particular in the
email area which is something small business does appreciate.
Stuart.
CNE, CCNA.
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| Lisa Duchovny 2003-07-14, 1:25 am |
| Hi,
Well, one of my colleagues pursued Novel certification exams. He went
on to find a very good job and is going great guns. From his example,
I think the certification is valuable.
I also feel that along with the certification personal skill is also
important. My colleague had great practical experience. Certifications
are important for the initial point of entry in the organization. But
it is you skill and your ability to work is what keeps you in the
organization.
steffis_aus@hotmail.com (Steffi) wrote in message news:<fdb7cfe5.0307080224.41f20514@posting.google.com>...
> I hardly hear anything good about Novell these days. Is it worth to write its exam.
>
> Steffi S.
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| Lisa Duchovny 2003-07-14, 3:25 pm |
| Hi,
Well, one of my colleagues pursued Novel certification exams. He went
on to find a very good job and is going great guns. From his example,
I think the certification is valuable.
I also feel that along with the certification personal skill is also
important. My colleague had great practical experience. Certifications
are important for the initial point of entry in the organization. But
it is you skill and your ability to work is what keeps you in the
organization.
steffis_aus@hotmail.com (Steffi) wrote in message news:<fdb7cfe5.0307080224.41f20514@posting.google.com>...
> I hardly hear anything good about Novell these days. Is it worth to write its exam.
>
> Steffi S.
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| JasonW 2003-07-21, 4:25 pm |
| I keep seeing job openings that require at least a working knowledge of
Novell, so certification is a good way to show it, or to at least get your
foot in the door for an interview.
-JasonW
"Lisa Duchovny" <lisa_duchovny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e458bab3.0307132328.dd12607@posting.google.com...
> Hi,
>
> Well, one of my colleagues pursued Novel certification exams. He went
> on to find a very good job and is going great guns. From his example,
> I think the certification is valuable.
>
> I also feel that along with the certification personal skill is also
> important. My colleague had great practical experience. Certifications
> are important for the initial point of entry in the organization. But
> it is you skill and your ability to work is what keeps you in the
> organization.
>
>
>
>
> steffis_aus@hotmail.com (Steffi) wrote in message
news:<fdb7cfe5.0307080224.41f20514@posting.google.com>...
> > I hardly hear anything good about Novell these days. Is it worth to
write its exam.
> >
> > Steffi S.
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"JasonW" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news uXSa.102180$wk6.27053@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> I keep seeing job openings that require at least a working knowledge of
> Novell, so certification is a good way to show it, or to at least get your
> foot in the door for an interview.
certification is not *working knowledge*
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| Greg wrote:
> "JasonW" <no@no.com> wrote in message
> newsuXSa.102180$wk6.27053@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> > I keep seeing job openings that require at least a working knowledge of
> > Novell, so certification is a good way to show it, or to at least get your
> > foot in the door for an interview.
>
> certification is not *working knowledge*
But it certainly has more "ooomph" in an interview if you have both.
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| JasonW 2003-07-25, 5:24 pm |
| Agreed. However, convincing a non-technical HR person who is sifting resumes
that you have knowledge usually comes down to certification. I'm seeing jobs
locally that require a physical copy of a certification just to be
considered. These job postings are created by people that don't realize that
certs can be done without experience. Nevertheless, I can't apply for many
of them.
-JasonW
"Greg" <greg@BAFFLESjbsmha.com> wrote in message
news:vhtsgerdl7ib77@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "JasonW" <no@no.com> wrote in message
> newsuXSa.102180$wk6.27053@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> > I keep seeing job openings that require at least a working knowledge of
> > Novell, so certification is a good way to show it, or to at least get
your
> > foot in the door for an interview.
>
> certification is not *working knowledge*
>
>
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| JasonW wrote:
> Agreed. However, convincing a non-technical HR person who is sifting resumes
> that you have knowledge usually comes down to certification. I'm seeing jobs
> locally that require a physical copy of a certification just to be
> considered. These job postings are created by people that don't realize that
> certs can be done without experience. Nevertheless, I can't apply for many
> of them.
>
> -JasonW
>
> "Greg" <greg@BAFFLESjbsmha.com> wrote in message
> news:vhtsgerdl7ib77@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "JasonW" <no@no.com> wrote in message
> > newsuXSa.102180$wk6.27053@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> > > I keep seeing job openings that require at least a working knowledge of
> > > Novell, so certification is a good way to show it, or to at least get
> your
> > > foot in the door for an interview.
> >
> > certification is not *working knowledge*
> >
> >
I work in a University in the UK, and it churns out people with degrees that
sometimes
you think don't seem to have even been at school.
A lot of them dont even seem to have any basic common sense.
The one thing that really annoys me is that I've seen people gain a degree just
by being
good at remembering answers to question sheets without really understanding the
"guts"
of what their answering the questions on.
I've worked hard in the job I'm in, but it appears to be coming to a dead end,
and without
further certification I'm stuck.
I have plenty experience, which does help, but if I go and try for a post that
would pay the
same (or near) what I earn now, I wont stand a chance if I dont have the
certificate.
I tried to step sideways to another department involved with running the network
in the
University, but I seemed to have been beaten to the position by a 21 year old
with 'the'
piece of paper.
The only problem I have is the cost of all the training and materials.
Trying to fund it myself has become a nightmare, having saved enough to attempt
Netware 5 , 5.1 came along then 6, and now 6.1 and 7 are being mentioned.
I almost gave up, but I'm going to battle on, as I really need to get into a
better job.
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| JasonW 2003-07-28, 3:25 pm |
| I totally understand. I had a teacher for one of my classes that got her
MCSE by using "brain dumps" (real questions from the test with real answers,
i.e. cheating) and she didn't know the most basic things about networks. It
was frustrating to see someone so easily get a job by just getting the cert
even though she was demonstrably not qualified.
It is frustrating, but I keep trying for entry level positions so I can get
the money I need to keep progressing. I wish I had started sooner (I'm 39
now), but I know it can be done. I'm buying really cheap used computers and
setting up a home network so I can keep my skills active. They actually
asked me about what sort of network I have at home on my last interview.
Don't give up!
-JasonW
"Clunk" <Clunk@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:3F21A318.ADF0506D@nowhere.org...
>
> I work in a University in the UK, and it churns out people with degrees
that
> sometimes
> you think don't seem to have even been at school.
> A lot of them dont even seem to have any basic common sense.
> The one thing that really annoys me is that I've seen people gain a degree
just
> by being
> good at remembering answers to question sheets without really
understanding the
> "guts"
> of what their answering the questions on.
> I've worked hard in the job I'm in, but it appears to be coming to a dead
end,
> and without
> further certification I'm stuck.
> I have plenty experience, which does help, but if I go and try for a post
that
> would pay the
> same (or near) what I earn now, I wont stand a chance if I dont have the
> certificate.
>
> I tried to step sideways to another department involved with running the
network
> in the
> University, but I seemed to have been beaten to the position by a 21 year
old
> with 'the'
> piece of paper.
> The only problem I have is the cost of all the training and materials.
> Trying to fund it myself has become a nightmare, having saved enough to
attempt
> Netware 5 , 5.1 came along then 6, and now 6.1 and 7 are being mentioned.
> I almost gave up, but I'm going to battle on, as I really need to get into
a
> better job.
>
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| JasonW wrote:
> I totally understand. I had a teacher for one of my classes that got her
> MCSE by using "brain dumps" (real questions from the test with real answers,
> i.e. cheating) and she didn't know the most basic things about networks. It
> was frustrating to see someone so easily get a job by just getting the cert
> even though she was demonstrably not qualified.
>
> It is frustrating, but I keep trying for entry level positions so I can get
> the money I need to keep progressing. I wish I had started sooner (I'm 39
> now), but I know it can be done. I'm buying really cheap used computers and
> setting up a home network so I can keep my skills active. They actually
> asked me about what sort of network I have at home on my last interview.
>
> Don't give up!
>
> -JasonW
Funnily enough Im in the exactly the same boat.
40 in a week or so, building networks at home and trying to self teach CNE5.1
/ 6.
I started off in electronics but my job changed and I was eased into supporting
the network at work.
They screwed me up recently though with a stupid merger with another dept
running windows only, even though the whole Uni runs on Netware.
Those guys are just arrogant idiots who seem to want nothing to do with the rest
of the Uni.
All the machines I was supporting were forceably removed and now I really need
to get out, as its a total waste of effort, they've got me back building
machines to
their specs, even though they never seem to have a stable set install to follow.
In the words of Space Quest
" Never give in,........ never surrender ! "
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