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| geomax 2004-01-07, 7:24 am |
| Took the Network+ exam yesterday and passed!
What I want to do next is take the CCNA. However, my employer said it will
not support efforts in this direction. Instead, that I should get an MCP.
I can understand their side: I work at a small company, and the CCNA isn't
really directly relevant. The environment is predominantly NT/4, 2000
workstations, with a mixed server environment (Novell, NT, 2000). A few hubs
and switches, and thats it.
In my mind the Network+ is roughly on the same level as an MCP, so I see
pursuing this cert as a duplication in effort. Also, I want to stay on a
Network orientated track. My goal is not Windows Administration (MCSA or
MCSE), rather Network Administration - CCNA and higher.
But I don't deny that it's a useful cert. A few people have suggested I
take the 70-215 exam, which is 2000 Server.
What do people think? Worth the effort, points considered? Or should I
pursue the CCNA on my own?
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| My oppinion
The 70-216 is better than the 215 or if you are in to the comptia thing then take SERVER+
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:47:05 GMT, "geomax" <gw091@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Took the Network+ exam yesterday and passed!
>
>What I want to do next is take the CCNA. However, my employer said it will
>not support efforts in this direction. Instead, that I should get an MCP.
>
>I can understand their side: I work at a small company, and the CCNA isn't
>really directly relevant. The environment is predominantly NT/4, 2000
>workstations, with a mixed server environment (Novell, NT, 2000). A few hubs
>and switches, and thats it.
>
>In my mind the Network+ is roughly on the same level as an MCP, so I see
>pursuing this cert as a duplication in effort. Also, I want to stay on a
>Network orientated track. My goal is not Windows Administration (MCSA or
>MCSE), rather Network Administration - CCNA and higher.
>
>But I don't deny that it's a useful cert. A few people have suggested I
>take the 70-215 exam, which is 2000 Server.
>
>What do people think? Worth the effort, points considered? Or should I
>pursue the CCNA on my own?
>
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| ImhoTech 2004-01-07, 10:26 am |
| Really not that tough a question. What does your company "support" mean. Are
they paying for testing and materials ? Take whatever they pay for, would be
foolish not to. Use OPM as much as possible!
If support just means a pat on the back, then what they want is of little
importance.
"geomax" <gw091@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ZkSKb.3290$p33.2857@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> Took the Network+ exam yesterday and passed!
>
> What I want to do next is take the CCNA. However, my employer said it will
> not support efforts in this direction. Instead, that I should get an MCP.
>
> I can understand their side: I work at a small company, and the CCNA isn't
> really directly relevant. The environment is predominantly NT/4, 2000
> workstations, with a mixed server environment (Novell, NT, 2000). A few
hubs
> and switches, and thats it.
>
> In my mind the Network+ is roughly on the same level as an MCP, so I see
> pursuing this cert as a duplication in effort. Also, I want to stay on a
> Network orientated track. My goal is not Windows Administration (MCSA or
> MCSE), rather Network Administration - CCNA and higher.
>
> But I don't deny that it's a useful cert. A few people have suggested I
> take the 70-215 exam, which is 2000 Server.
>
> What do people think? Worth the effort, points considered? Or should I
> pursue the CCNA on my own?
>
>
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| richhillkc 2004-01-07, 12:46 pm |
| Forget what your employer "supports" and get the CCNA. There are a lot fewer CCNAs than MCPs in the world, so it'll set you apart better in a stack of resumes. Even if you have to pay for it yourself, get the CCNA. Then you can move on to whatever your employer wants to pay for you to learn. Remember, there are 700,000 MCSEs in the world and only around 10,000 CCIE's. Think about it... Supply and Demand. Granted, CCIE is a LOT harder than MCSE, but you can work on an MCSE and also be studying your way through the Cisco materials for CCNP. Just balance your study time and try your hardest to get hands-on experience using the skills you are certifying. It'll pay off in the long run. | |
| Netwerkz 2004-01-07, 7:24 pm |
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"geomax" <gw091@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ZkSKb.3290$p33.2857@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> Took the Network+ exam yesterday and passed!
>
> What I want to do next is take the CCNA. However, my employer said it will
> not support efforts in this direction. Instead, that I should get an MCP.
>
> I can understand their side: I work at a small company, and the CCNA isn't
> really directly relevant. The environment is predominantly NT/4, 2000
> workstations, with a mixed server environment (Novell, NT, 2000). A few
hubs
> and switches, and thats it.
>
> In my mind the Network+ is roughly on the same level as an MCP, so I see
> pursuing this cert as a duplication in effort. Also, I want to stay on a
> Network orientated track. My goal is not Windows Administration (MCSA or
> MCSE), rather Network Administration - CCNA and higher.
>
> But I don't deny that it's a useful cert. A few people have suggested I
> take the 70-215 exam, which is 2000 Server.
>
> What do people think? Worth the effort, points considered? Or should I
> pursue the CCNA on my own?
>
>
do both!
CCNA first since it is one exam and your Net+
is a stepping stone to this anyhow.
..
MCSA or further to MCSE after your CCNA.
Self-study on your own for CCNA and pay for it yourself.
Have your company pay for training/books/exams for MCSA(or E).
You must plan to leave your current company if all you want to do is
network administration - based on equipment you stated you use there.
I mean once you configure your network at your current job all there
is to do is server administration/user support.
Stay well-rounded and stay employable.
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| Frederic 2004-01-07, 9:25 pm |
| The actual nb of mcp and mcse worlwide is available on mcpmag "MCP by the
numbers"
http://www.mcpmag.com
MCP: 965749
MCSE (on windows 2000): 228148
The official information that Cisco provides is :
"Number of Cisco Certifications Awarded
Question
How many certified people does Cisco have in each Certification Track?
Answer
Cisco is proud to announce that we currently have over 500,000 certified
individuals in our growing Career Certification Program. This number
includes all individuals worldwide certified at the CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP,
CCIP and CCSP levels of Certification, as well as the Cisco Qualified
Specialist focused certifications. Cisco Systems does not disclose the
break-down of the total number of individuals who have completed different
Cisco certifications."
http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/cgi-b...ZsMT1
_YW
55fiZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMj1_YW55fiZw
X3NvcnRfYnk9ZGZsdCZwX3BhZ2U9MQ
**&p_li=
I sent a mail to comptia requesting equivalent info. I'll post the result
here
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Frederic
MCP, IT Project+, i-Net+, CIWA, A+
member of: CompTIA-ITPRO, HDI, IETF, ISOC
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"richhillkc" <richhillkc.zoewf@mail.examnotes.net> wrote in message
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>
> Forget what your employer "supports" and get the CCNA. There are a lot
> fewer CCNAs than MCPs in the world, so it'll set you apart better in a
> stack of resumes. Even if you have to pay for it yourself, get the
> CCNA. Then you can move on to whatever your employer wants to pay for
> you to learn. Remember, there are 700,000 MCSEs in the world and only
> around 10,000 CCIE's. Think about it... Supply and Demand. Granted,
> CCIE is a LOT harder than MCSE, but you can work on an MCSE and also be
> studying your way through the Cisco materials for CCNP. Just balance
> your study time and try your hardest to get hands-on experience using
> the skills you are certifying. It'll pay off in the long run.
>
>
> richhillkc
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| Bruce 2004-01-08, 10:25 am |
| "geomax" <gw091@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<ZkSKb.3290$p33.2857@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>...
> Took the Network+ exam yesterday and passed!
>
> What I want to do next is take the CCNA. However, my employer said it will
> not support efforts in this direction. Instead, that I should get an MCP.
>
> I can understand their side: I work at a small company, and the CCNA isn't
> really directly relevant. The environment is predominantly NT/4, 2000
> workstations, with a mixed server environment (Novell, NT, 2000). A few hubs
> and switches, and thats it.
>
> In my mind the Network+ is roughly on the same level as an MCP, so I see
> pursuing this cert as a duplication in effort. Also, I want to stay on a
> Network orientated track. My goal is not Windows Administration (MCSA or
> MCSE), rather Network Administration - CCNA and higher.
>
> But I don't deny that it's a useful cert. A few people have suggested I
> take the 70-215 exam, which is 2000 Server.
>
> What do people think? Worth the effort, points considered? Or should I
> pursue the CCNA on my own?
This is my opinion.
You should do MCP (probably 70-270 or 70-210).
The technology specific MCP complements the vendor-neutral Network+
very well.
You can state to employers that your Network+ shows you have good
broad-based vendor-neutral network knowledge and your MCP shows that
you are competent dealing with Windows networking. Windows is the most
common operating system in business afterall!
Network administration (in my view) is mostly dealing with the OSes
and services on your network (administering the server software and
client software).
CCNA and CCNP may take you to router configuation and designing
networks. A small-medium sized company could not justify employing
someone full-time to do that. Many companies contract that sort of
work out as and when they need it. Once you have setup your network
you very rarely need to configure your routers.
Hope this helps,
Bruce.
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| Frederic 2004-01-09, 10:25 pm |
| I got the answer from CompTIA
I asked this question:"Do you publish the number of people holding a comptia
certification. I would be interesting to know how many people are network+
certified, worldwide. If you could provide me the link or the info. Thanks
Frederic"
and their answer is:
"Good Afternoon,
I am sorry but we do not publish that information. I can tell you CompTIA's
certifications are recognized through out the world.
Thank you,
Certification Customer Service Representative
Phone: 630.678.8300
Fax: 630.268.9071 "
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Frederic
MCP, IT Project+, i-Net+, CIWA, A+
member of: CompTIA-ITPRO, HDI, IETF, ISOC
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"Frederic" <frederic.l@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:lm2Lb.24049$OX.843074@wagner.videotron.net...
> The actual nb of mcp and mcse worlwide is available on mcpmag "MCP by the
> numbers"
> http://www.mcpmag.com
> MCP: 965749
> MCSE (on windows 2000): 228148
>
> The official information that Cisco provides is :
> "Number of Cisco Certifications Awarded
> Question
> How many certified people does Cisco have in each Certification Track?
> Answer
> Cisco is proud to announce that we currently have over 500,000 certified
> individuals in our growing Career Certification Program. This number
> includes all individuals worldwide certified at the CCNA, CCDA, CCNP,
CCDP,
> CCIP and CCSP levels of Certification, as well as the Cisco Qualified
> Specialist focused certifications. Cisco Systems does not disclose the
> break-down of the total number of individuals who have completed different
> Cisco certifications."
>
http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/cgi-b...cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9
ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTYwJ
nBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9Y2VydGlmaWV
kJnBfc2VhcmNoX3R
5cGU9NCZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMT1_YW55f
iZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMj1_YW55fiZwX3N
vcnRfYnk9ZGZsdCZ
wX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=
>
> I sent a mail to comptia requesting equivalent info. I'll post the result
> here
>
> --
> Frederic
> MCP, IT Project+, i-Net+, CIWA, A+
> member of: CompTIA-ITPRO, HDI, IETF, ISOC
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> "richhillkc" <richhillkc.zoewf@mail.examnotes.net> wrote in message
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| Frederic 2004-01-09, 10:25 pm |
| "Stay well-rounded and stay employable" great sentence.
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Frederic
MCP, IT Project+, i-Net+, CIWA, A+
member of: CompTIA-ITPRO, HDI, IETF, ISOC
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> "geomax" <gw091@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> hubs
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> do both!
>
> CCNA first since it is one exam and your Net+
> is a stepping stone to this anyhow.
> .
> MCSA or further to MCSE after your CCNA.
>
> Self-study on your own for CCNA and pay for it yourself.
> Have your company pay for training/books/exams for MCSA(or E).
>
> You must plan to leave your current company if all you want to do is
> network administration - based on equipment you stated you use there.
> I mean once you configure your network at your current job all there
> is to do is server administration/user support.
>
> Stay well-rounded and stay employable.
>
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