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| William J. Burlingame 2003-11-03, 9:25 am |
| I'm not in the process of becoming certified, so I hope this isn't a
flagrant violation of the group. I'm a wrinkled old and retired SW
engineer.
I have 3 PC's networked and one has started to give me grief. I call
them A,B and C
A can ping all three computers
B can ping C, but not A
C can ping B, but not A
System A seems to be the problem. No one can see this computer from
Windows nor can it see the other two. System A can't see either B or
C in Windows.
I've confirmed the addresses with winipcfg and ipconfig.
The NIC's of A and B are integrated RealTek RTL8139's. The NIC of C
is a Linksys PCMCIA adapter.
I've also tried Ping Plotter and I removed the NIC with the Device
Manager and it automatically gets detected and reinstalled.
I'm about to conclude it's a bad NIC. If I install another, is it a
big problem to move all the bindings from the old NIC to the new card?
This was working and now it doesn't. I have not knowingly changed any
settings.
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| HEADHOLE 2003-11-03, 9:44 am |
| I'd start by recording all the settings on "A" and "B". Then I'd swap them. That should tell the story, also a different slot may help :?)
Luck | |
| William J. Burlingame 2003-11-03, 2:25 pm |
| Two of these NIC's are integrated into the motherboard and the third
is a PCMCIA card in a laptop, so I can't do a swap. The one that I
suspect is one of the ones integrated into the motherboard.
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:44:39 -0600, HEADHOLE
<HEADHOLE.wbt8g@mail.examnotes.net> wrote:
>
>I'd start by recording all the settings on "A" and "B". Then I'd swap
>them. That should tell the story, also a different slot may help :?)
>Luck
>
>
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| I think headhole was speaking of things like the IP settings, workgroup
name, system name etc.
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| David K 2003-11-04, 12:25 am |
| On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 08:01:34 -0600, William J. Burlingame
<wjburl@bs.net> wrote:
>I'm not in the process of becoming certified, so I hope this isn't a
>flagrant violation of the group. I'm a wrinkled old and retired SW
>engineer.
>
>I have 3 PC's networked and one has started to give me grief. I call
>them A,B and C
>
>A can ping all three computers
>B can ping C, but not A
>C can ping B, but not A
>
>System A seems to be the problem. No one can see this computer from
>Windows nor can it see the other two. System A can't see either B or
>C in Windows.
I'm just another uncertified buffoon, it sounds to me like you may
have a firewall between A and the rest of the network - possibly a
software firewall installed on A? This would account for all your
symptoms above, including the inability to browse the Windows network
with A, since it needs port 139 open.
Please let me know if this was the problem, or if it turns out to be
something else.
Dave
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| Donald 2003-11-04, 12:25 am |
| Your most likely problems are going to be the following:
1) Computer A is not assigned to the same workgroup as B and C. Check the
Computer Name (XP) or Network Identification (9x) settings and ensure the
workgroup is the same. Even if it is, try changing all 3 computers to a
different workgroup name and see if it works.
2) Computer A is running a firewall. Disable the firewall and see if that
corrects the problem. If so, you need to either add trusted sites if your
firewall supports it (the IP addresses of Computers B and C), or open ports
to allow file sharing, etc (don't have the numbers off the top of my head)
3) Computer A's IP address and subnet mask is not compatible with B and C
(i.e. B and C are running 192.x.x.x, and A is running 169.x.x.x). Manually
set all computers to a specific group and subnet mask (192.168.0.x with
subnet 255.255.255.0 is most common). I wouldn't use DHCP in a 3-computer
network. You didn't mention if you're using DHCP or not.
4) Computer Browser service is not started on Computer A (unlikely).
Also, can Computer A ping itself? (ping 127.0.0.1). If so, the NIC and
TCP/IP stack should be fine. NIC hardware typically doesn't go bad unless
it's pretty old. If you can't ping yourself, I would first uninstall and
reinstall TCP/IP. If that doesn't work, disable the onboard NIC and try
installing a new NIC.
"William J. Burlingame" <wjburl@bs.net> wrote in message
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> I'm not in the process of becoming certified, so I hope this isn't a
> flagrant violation of the group. I'm a wrinkled old and retired SW
> engineer.
>
> I have 3 PC's networked and one has started to give me grief. I call
> them A,B and C
>
> A can ping all three computers
> B can ping C, but not A
> C can ping B, but not A
>
> System A seems to be the problem. No one can see this computer from
> Windows nor can it see the other two. System A can't see either B or
> C in Windows.
>
> I've confirmed the addresses with winipcfg and ipconfig.
>
> The NIC's of A and B are integrated RealTek RTL8139's. The NIC of C
> is a Linksys PCMCIA adapter.
>
> I've also tried Ping Plotter and I removed the NIC with the Device
> Manager and it automatically gets detected and reinstalled.
>
> I'm about to conclude it's a bad NIC. If I install another, is it a
> big problem to move all the bindings from the old NIC to the new card?
>
> This was working and now it doesn't. I have not knowingly changed any
> settings.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> bs has been included as part of my e-mail address to reduce the
> amount of spam mail. Change the 'bs'in my address to 'bellsouth'
> to send me a message.
>
> Bill Burlingame
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| Frederic 2003-11-04, 7:25 am |
| You can find a diagnostic program (DOS program) from Realtek for that
specific card at
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads...6&Software=True
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"William J. Burlingame" <wjburl@bs.net> wrote in message
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> I'm not in the process of becoming certified, so I hope this isn't a
> flagrant violation of the group. I'm a wrinkled old and retired SW
> engineer.
>
> I have 3 PC's networked and one has started to give me grief. I call
> them A,B and C
>
> A can ping all three computers
> B can ping C, but not A
> C can ping B, but not A
>
> System A seems to be the problem. No one can see this computer from
> Windows nor can it see the other two. System A can't see either B or
> C in Windows.
>
> I've confirmed the addresses with winipcfg and ipconfig.
>
> The NIC's of A and B are integrated RealTek RTL8139's. The NIC of C
> is a Linksys PCMCIA adapter.
>
> I've also tried Ping Plotter and I removed the NIC with the Device
> Manager and it automatically gets detected and reinstalled.
>
> I'm about to conclude it's a bad NIC. If I install another, is it a
> big problem to move all the bindings from the old NIC to the new card?
>
> This was working and now it doesn't. I have not knowingly changed any
> settings.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> bs has been included as part of my e-mail address to reduce the
> amount of spam mail. Change the 'bs'in my address to 'bellsouth'
> to send me a message.
>
> Bill Burlingame
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| Simon Telrenner 2003-11-04, 3:24 pm |
| You siad somewhere in this thread, that it was working and now it is not....
If you have installed anything since it quit working, uninstall.....for
example, I installed some web cam software in my computer at home, and yes,
the nic card quit working. (Still haven't quite figured that out  )
If you haven't installed anything new, then it is probably the nic card, and
you should replace it. Re-doing bindings shouldn't be that difficult, if
you write them down beforehand.
Good luck
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"William J. Burlingame" <wjburl@bs.net> wrote in message
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> I'm not in the process of becoming certified, so I hope this isn't a
> flagrant violation of the group. I'm a wrinkled old and retired SW
> engineer.
>
> I have 3 PC's networked and one has started to give me grief. I call
> them A,B and C
>
> A can ping all three computers
> B can ping C, but not A
> C can ping B, but not A
>
> System A seems to be the problem. No one can see this computer from
> Windows nor can it see the other two. System A can't see either B or
> C in Windows.
>
> I've confirmed the addresses with winipcfg and ipconfig.
>
> The NIC's of A and B are integrated RealTek RTL8139's. The NIC of C
> is a Linksys PCMCIA adapter.
>
> I've also tried Ping Plotter and I removed the NIC with the Device
> Manager and it automatically gets detected and reinstalled.
>
> I'm about to conclude it's a bad NIC. If I install another, is it a
> big problem to move all the bindings from the old NIC to the new card?
>
> This was working and now it doesn't. I have not knowingly changed any
> settings.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> bs has been included as part of my e-mail address to reduce the
> amount of spam mail. Change the 'bs'in my address to 'bellsouth'
> to send me a message.
>
> Bill Burlingame
| |
| William J. Burlingame 2003-11-04, 5:26 pm |
| Thanks for that link. Computers A and B both have the RealTek 8139's
and they both passed all the test. I didn't run the power management
test. Guess that eliminates the HW.
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:57:27 -0500, "Frederic"
<frederic_quebec2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
>You can find a diagnostic program (DOS program) from Realtek for that
>specific card at
>
>http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads...6&Software=True
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| William J. Burlingame 2003-11-04, 5:26 pm |
| On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:28:56 GMT, David K <noemail@fake.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 08:01:34 -0600, William J. Burlingame
><wjburl@bs.net> wrote:
>
>
>I'm just another uncertified buffoon, it sounds to me like you may
>have a firewall between A and the rest of the network - possibly a
>software firewall installed on A? This would account for all your
>symptoms above, including the inability to browse the Windows network
>with A, since it needs port 139 open.
I use Zone Alarm Pro on B, but not any firewall on A. Computer A is
mainly used as a remote backup to B's HDD. I never logon to the net
from B. I don't have a setup to allow more than one log on to my ADSL
service at a time. I DSL modem is an Alcatel Speedtouch USB and
doesn't make it convenient to log in from any/all the systems that I
have networked. But that's another story. Computer C is a laptop I
use to get my email when I travel. I network it to the others to keep
some file in sync. I also let the grand kids play games on A. I know
that's adds suspicion, but I can't see any changes that might have
been made to the setup.
A and C run WIn98SE and B runs XP
>
>Please let me know if this was the problem, or if it turns out to be
>something else.
>
>Dave
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| William J. Burlingame 2003-11-04, 5:26 pm |
| On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:41:30 GMT, "Donald"
<dmj@nospam.midsouth.rr.com> wrote:
>Your most likely problems are going to be the following:
>
>1) Computer A is not assigned to the same workgroup as B and C. Check the
>Computer Name (XP) or Network Identification (9x) settings and ensure the
>workgroup is the same. Even if it is, try changing all 3 computers to a
>different workgroup name and see if it works.
They do have the same workgroup name, but I haven't as yet gone
through the exercise of changing them all to a different workgroup
name
>2) Computer A is running a firewall. Disable the firewall and see if that
>corrects the problem. If so, you need to either add trusted sites if your
>firewall supports it (the IP addresses of Computers B and C), or open ports
>to allow file sharing, etc (don't have the numbers off the top of my head)
>3) Computer A's IP address and subnet mask is not compatible with B and C
>(i.e. B and C are running 192.x.x.x, and A is running 169.x.x.x). Manually
>set all computers to a specific group and subnet mask (192.168.0.x with
>subnet 255.255.255.0 is most common). I wouldn't use DHCP in a 3-computer
>network. You didn't mention if you're using DHCP or not.
I don't know if I have DHCP or not. I guess that's getting beyond
what I know about networking at this stage.
>4) Computer Browser service is not started on Computer A (unlikely).
I don't understand this, how do I determine whether I do or not?
>
>Also, can Computer A ping itself? (ping 127.0.0.1). If so, the NIC and
>TCP/IP stack should be fine. NIC hardware typically doesn't go bad unless
>it's pretty old.
It can ping itself and they are all 192.168.0.x
>f you can't ping yourself, I would first uninstall and
>reinstall TCP/IP. If that doesn't work, disable the onboard NIC and try
>installing a new NIC.
>
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| David K 2003-11-04, 5:26 pm |
| On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:37:23 -0600, William J. Burlingame
<wjburl@bs.net> wrote:
>I use Zone Alarm Pro on B, but not any firewall on A. Computer A is
>mainly used as a remote backup to B's HDD. I never logon to the net
>from B. I don't have a setup to allow more than one log on to my ADSL
>service at a time. I DSL modem is an Alcatel Speedtouch USB and
>doesn't make it convenient to log in from any/all the systems that I
>have networked. But that's another story. Computer C is a laptop I
>use to get my email when I travel. I network it to the others to keep
>some file in sync. I also let the grand kids play games on A. I know
>that's adds suspicion, but I can't see any changes that might have
>been made to the setup.
>
>A and C run WIn98SE and B runs XP
What clients and protocols are installed on A? (go to Network in
Control Panel). The entries should be your network adapter, TCP/IP,
and Client for Microsoft Networks installed, and another entry showing
the latter two bound together. Check to make sure A and C have the
same configuration. If there's anything else on A, take note of the
configuration, remove the other protocols and services, reboot, and
attempt the connections again.
These systems are all on the same hub or switch, right? I would wonder
about your subnet mask settnig on A.
Not being able to browse the workgroup could be due to a number of
things, but the most interesting thing to me is A's nonresponsiveness
to an echo request from other nodes. It would be nice if you had a
hardware loopback tester...
Dave
| |
| Donald 2003-11-04, 6:26 pm |
|
"William J. Burlingame" <wjburl@bs.net> wrote in message
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> They do have the same workgroup name, but I haven't as yet gone
> through the exercise of changing them all to a different workgroup
> name
Try changing the workgroup on all computers just to see if it works. I would
try this first. Every now and then, it seems to be a magic solution for me.
Honestly, I don't know why it would fix anything if all computers are on the
same workgroup already, but it's worked for me more than once.
> I don't know if I have DHCP or not. I guess that's getting beyond
> what I know about networking at this stage.
If you don't know what DHCP is, chances are, you aren't running it. If you
have the machines manually set with their IP address (the radio button
beside "obtain IP addresses automatically" NOT checked), then DHCP isn't
being used, regardless of whether or not it's available. Ensure all NIC's
have manual IP addresses. You stated they are all 192.168.0.x so you should
be fine there.
>
> I don't understand this, how do I determine whether I do or not?
Not sure if it's available in 98SE, but in XP you would go to Control
Panel->Administrative Tools->Services. It will be listed there.
If all else fails, disable the onboard NIC and add a new NIC. You should be
able to pick a generic 10/100 NIC at a small computer shop for about $5 to
$10.
Oh, duh.. one more thing. I always forget to check the most basic things -
doublecheck your physical cable connections. Ensure both ends of Comp A's
cable is secure. Also ensure you're using a normal cable and not a crossover
cable. If you just bought your cable at a computer store somewhere, it's
probably a normal cable. You may also try swapping out the cable with a
cable from Comp B or C just to see what happens.
Good luck,
--Donald
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|
| do you have firewalls on these PC's?
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> I'd start by recording all the settings on "A" and "B". Then I'd swap
> them. That should tell the story, also a different slot may help :?)
> Luck
>
>
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| William J. Burlingame 2003-11-05, 11:25 pm |
| On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:21:28 GMT, David K <noemail@fake.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:37:23 -0600, William J. Burlingame
><wjburl@bs.net> wrote:
>
>
>What clients and protocols are installed on A? (go to Network in
>Control Panel). The entries should be your network adapter, TCP/IP,
>and Client for Microsoft Networks installed, and another entry showing
>the latter two bound together. Check to make sure A and C have the
>same configuration. If there's anything else on A, take note of the
>configuration, remove the other protocols and services, reboot, and
>attempt the connections again.
The entry shows TCP/IP -> RealTek etc. and Client for Microsoft
Networks is installed.
>
>These systems are all on the same hub or switch, right? I would wonder
>about your subnet mask settnig on A.
I'm using a Netgear FS105 switch.
>
>Not being able to browse the workgroup could be due to a number of
>things, but the most interesting thing to me is A's nonresponsiveness
>to an echo request from other nodes. It would be nice if you had a
>hardware loopback tester...
The Realtek diagnostic successfully ran from DOS.
>
>Dave
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| William J. Burlingame 2003-11-05, 11:25 pm |
| On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:41:03 GMT, "Donald"
<dmj@nospam.midsouth.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"William J. Burlingame" <wjburl@bs.net> wrote in message
> news:rb7gqvc0jpnnpgnd3jq2bmplv
0o0pkb6lh@4ax.com...
>
>Try changing the workgroup on all computers just to see if it works. I would
>try this first. Every now and then, it seems to be a magic solution for me.
>Honestly, I don't know why it would fix anything if all computers are on the
>same workgroup already, but it's worked for me more than once.
Tried that and no change.
>
>
>If you don't know what DHCP is, chances are, you aren't running it. If you
>have the machines manually set with their IP address (the radio button
>beside "obtain IP addresses automatically" NOT checked), then DHCP isn't
>being used, regardless of whether or not it's available. Ensure all NIC's
>have manual IP addresses. You stated they are all 192.168.0.x so you should
>be fine there.
>
>
>Not sure if it's available in 98SE, but in XP you would go to Control
>Panel->Administrative Tools->Services. It will be listed there.
>
>If all else fails, disable the onboard NIC and add a new NIC. You should be
>able to pick a generic 10/100 NIC at a small computer shop for about $5 to
>$10.
Don't see a way in BIOS to disable. When I uninstalled in Windows, it
reinstall after rebooting.
>
>Oh, duh.. one more thing. I always forget to check the most basic things -
>doublecheck your physical cable connections. Ensure both ends of Comp A's
>cable is secure. Also ensure you're using a normal cable and not a crossover
>cable. If you just bought your cable at a computer store somewhere, it's
>probably a normal cable. You may also try swapping out the cable with a
>cable from Comp B or C just to see what happens.
Tried swapping cables, no change.
>
>Good luck,
>--Donald
>
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| William J. Burlingame 2003-11-05, 11:25 pm |
| On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 08:01:34 -0600, William J. Burlingame
<wjburl@bs.net> wrote:
>I'm not in the process of becoming certified, so I hope this isn't a
>flagrant violation of the group. I'm a wrinkled old and retired SW
>engineer.
>
>I have 3 PC's networked and one has started to give me grief. I call
>them A,B and C
>
>A can ping all three computers
>B can ping C, but not A
>C can ping B, but not A
>
>System A seems to be the problem. No one can see this computer from
>Windows nor can it see the other two. System A can't see either B or
>C in Windows.
>
>I've confirmed the addresses with winipcfg and ipconfig.
>
>The NIC's of A and B are integrated RealTek RTL8139's. The NIC of C
>is a Linksys PCMCIA adapter.
>
>I've also tried Ping Plotter and I removed the NIC with the Device
>Manager and it automatically gets detected and reinstalled.
>
>I'm about to conclude it's a bad NIC. If I install another, is it a
>big problem to move all the bindings from the old NIC to the new card?
>
>This was working and now it doesn't. I have not knowingly changed any
>settings.
I noticed that from computer B (WINXP), I clicked on View Workgroup
Computers in the Control Panel and all three computers are listed.
When I click on computer A, I get an error message that says it not
accessible...
On Computer A (WIN98SE) when I open Network Neighborhood, I get the
Entire Network icon, but not the individual computers.
On Computer C (WIN98SE) when I open Network Neighborhood, I get the
Entire Network icon, and all three computers.
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>to send me a message.
>
>Bill Burlingame
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| Donald 2003-11-06, 12:25 am |
| In Windows XP: Right click My Computer->Properties->Hardware->Device
Manager. Find the NIC listed under Network Adapters. Right click->Disable.
In Windows 98: Right click My Computer->Properties->Device Manager. Find the
NIC listed under Network Adapters. Right click on it->Properties. In the
General tab, place a check in the box next to "Disable in this hardware
profile". May have to reboot, since you have to practically reboot after
every little change in 9x. (Your wallpaper has been changed. Your computer
will need to be rebooted for these changes to take effect).
--Donald
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> Don't see a way in BIOS to disable. When I uninstalled in Windows, it
> reinstall after rebooting.
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| hootnholler 2003-11-06, 12:25 pm |
| Hi William,
First, a caveat, I'm not certified quite yet, just taking classes right now,
but willing to try and give your problem a go.
Computer A, 98se
Computer B, WinXP
Computer C, 98se
B and C are okay, A is messed up. Usually, hear of quite a few problems
with xp not seeing 9x machines, but I'll try and list some common
misconfigurations. Oh, forgot to add, you seem to be using a router.
Connections: You must be using straight through cables, or patch cables to
the router. A crossover cable will not work in this setup, but guessing you
got that part.
Router: I would suggest setting the router to DHCP, and using the router as
192.168.0.1, then assign the machines the IP addresses within that range.
After that, in the network settings on each machine, make sure and check
'obtain IP address automatically', this way, the router will assign the IP
addresses. Once you verify what the issue is, you can assign static IP
addresses to each machine on the router, and type in the information to each
machine, for security purposes, but get to that in a second...
NICs: As stated, ping 127.0.0.1 to verify that your NIC is working. If it
times out, or does not get a response, then check your NIC drivers,
bindings, etc... or, if you have the router setup proper, ping the router.
That will verify your connections to that point.
On each machine: First, disable all firewalls, including the internal one on
XP. Some will block ping requests. Then, setup the home network on the XP
machine through the wizard. It will make a floppy for you to take to the
other 2 machines and install the settings automatically. I haven't had much
luck with this wizard, but hopefully, it will work for you. If not, verify
all your bindings to the NICs. Minimum, you will need TCP/IP, Client for
Microsoft Networks and File and Printer sharing for Microsoft Networks on
each machine. You could also use NetBeui for the transfers to machine to
machine, but it can make some issues for you if you are accessing the
internet...
If all that doesn't help, one site that has helped quite a few others is
http://www.homenethelp.com. They have some great tutorials and step by step
instructions on how to fix some of the more common problems.
Just a few others... Helpful site for home networking and internet
connection sharing http://www.homenethelp.com/ http://www.homepcnetwork.com
http://practicallynetworked.com
To help keep your network up and running
http://www.technocopia.com/homenetwork.html/
Great tutorials for almost anything networking... http://www.homepclan.net/
Home + Small Office Networking
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...net/default.asp
All networking questions answered here... http://www.helmig.com
And, if you need help on internet connection sharing (ICS)....
http://support.microsoft.com/suppor.../ics/icsfaq.asp
Hope these help.
Hoot
"William J. Burlingame" <wjburl@bs.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 08:01:34 -0600, William J. Burlingame
> <wjburl@bs.net> wrote:
>
>
> I noticed that from computer B (WINXP), I clicked on View Workgroup
> Computers in the Control Panel and all three computers are listed.
> When I click on computer A, I get an error message that says it not
> accessible...
>
> On Computer A (WIN98SE) when I open Network Neighborhood, I get the
> Entire Network icon, but not the individual computers.
>
> On Computer C (WIN98SE) when I open Network Neighborhood, I get the
> Entire Network icon, and all three computers.
>
>
>
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| William J. Burlingame 2003-11-06, 1:25 pm |
| On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 16:38:56 GMT, "hootnholler" <nospam@goaway.com>
wrote:
>Hi William,
>
>First, a caveat, I'm not certified quite yet, just taking classes right now,
>but willing to try and give your problem a go.
>
>Computer A, 98se
>Computer B, WinXP
>Computer C, 98se
>B and C are okay, A is messed up. Usually, hear of quite a few problems
>with xp not seeing 9x machines, but I'll try and list some common
>misconfigurations. Oh, forgot to add, you seem to be using a router.
>
>Connections: You must be using straight through cables, or patch cables to
>the router. A crossover cable will not work in this setup, but guessing you
>got that part.
>
>Router: I would suggest setting the router to DHCP, and using the router as
>192.168.0.1, then assign the machines the IP addresses within that range.
>After that, in the network settings on each machine, make sure and check
>'obtain IP address automatically', this way, the router will assign the IP
>addresses. Once you verify what the issue is, you can assign static IP
>addresses to each machine on the router, and type in the information to each
>machine, for security purposes, but get to that in a second...
>
>NICs: As stated, ping 127.0.0.1 to verify that your NIC is working. If it
>times out, or does not get a response, then check your NIC drivers,
>bindings, etc... or, if you have the router setup proper, ping the router.
>That will verify your connections to that point.
>
>On each machine: First, disable all firewalls, including the internal one on
>XP. Some will block ping requests. Then, setup the home network on the XP
>machine through the wizard. It will make a floppy for you to take to the
>other 2 machines and install the settings automatically. I haven't had much
>luck with this wizard, but hopefully, it will work for you. If not, verify
>all your bindings to the NICs. Minimum, you will need TCP/IP, Client for
>Microsoft Networks and File and Printer sharing for Microsoft Networks on
>each machine. You could also use NetBeui for the transfers to machine to
>machine, but it can make some issues for you if you are accessing the
>internet...
>
>If all that doesn't help, one site that has helped quite a few others is
>http://www.homenethelp.com. They have some great tutorials and step by step
>instructions on how to fix some of the more common problems.
>
>Just a few others... Helpful site for home networking and internet
>connection sharing http://www.homenethelp.com/ http://www.homepcnetwork.com
>http://practicallynetworked.com
>To help keep your network up and running
>http://www.technocopia.com/homenetwork.html/
>Great tutorials for almost anything networking... http://www.homepclan.net/
>Home + Small Office Networking
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...net/default.asp
>All networking questions answered here... http://www.helmig.com
>
>And, if you need help on internet connection sharing (ICS)....
>http://support.microsoft.com/suppor.../ics/icsfaq.asp
>
>Hope these help.
>
>Hoot
>
>snip<
Thanks for the input. I'm using a switch and not a router. This
configuration worked at one time. I've tried swapping cables and
compared the settings os the two 98SE computers. Suppose we take the
XP system out of the picture and just try to get the two 98SE
computers to work. As I said in another post, I tried a DOS based
diagnostic from Realtek and it passed the test. It was able to ping
127.0.0.1. I'll check out the links you provided.
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| David K 2003-11-06, 3:24 pm |
| On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:29:03 -0600, William J. Burlingame
<wjburl@bs.net> wrote:
>
>The entry shows TCP/IP -> RealTek etc. and Client for Microsoft
>Networks is installed.
>
>I'm using a Netgear FS105 switch.
Okay. Unless there's a VLAN setting enabled on it, I think the
switch's setup should be fine given what's working. What happens if
you switch the connections on the switch's ports for systems A and C?
Put A where C was, put C where A was, give them a moment, then try the
connections again.
So, if you want to continue this, I'm still interested. Could you run
an "ipconfig /all" from the command prompt of all three workstations,
and paste it here? The output gives some TCP/IP configuration data.
(if it fills up more than one screen and you don't have scrollinig
enabled, use "ipconfig /all > output.txt" to send output it to a file
and open it in notepad - apologies if you know this already)
>
>The Realtek diagnostic successfully ran from DOS.
Well I meant a sort of hardware device that connects to your NIC's
port to see if you can send and receive from an external cable,
besides being able to pass software and hardware diagnostics. That
isn't totally necessary, but it would be handy to eliminate the NIC as
the problem. But don't worry about that now... I kind of doubt your
NIC is broken.
Dave
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| SoCal Sentinel 2003-11-08, 7:24 pm |
| Interesting....
Here it is, the TCP/IP stack is corrupted in the "B" pc. Re install your
drivers for the nic, and the TCP/IP protocol. Also double check that the 98
pc's are not the master browsers for your peer network but that your xp
machine is. Unless there is something else in the first two layers of the
OSI that is wrong, Physical or Data Link then thats it...
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| Donald 2003-11-09, 1:24 pm |
| How do you figure the stack in Comp B is corrupted, when B and C seem to be
working fine together?
"SoCal Sentinel" <curtis@orvis-nospamsolutionsnope.net> wrote in message
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> Interesting....
>
> Here it is, the TCP/IP stack is corrupted in the "B" pc. Re install your
> drivers for the nic, and the TCP/IP protocol. Also double check that the
98
> pc's are not the master browsers for your peer network but that your xp
> machine is. Unless there is something else in the first two layers of the
> OSI that is wrong, Physical or Data Link then thats it...
>
>
>
> --
> Curtis W. Moore
> NET+, ADVDBC
> curtis@orvis-solutions.net
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| Socal Sentinel 2003-11-10, 2:26 pm |
| Donald, ooops, your right not the xp pc, but the first win98 pc.. I am
saying that they are ip stack messed up, and also competing for the master
browser of the peer net which eventually nocks one of those 98 pc's off.
Thanks for that one!! your right, not the xp machine
"Donald" <dmj@nospam.midsouth.rr.com> wrote in message
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> How do you figure the stack in Comp B is corrupted, when B and C seem to
be
> working fine together?
>
> "SoCal Sentinel" <curtis@orvis-nospamsolutionsnope.net> wrote in message
> news:3fad7ab4_6@corp.newsgroups.com...
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| William J. Burlingame 2003-11-10, 11:24 pm |
| I'll give that a try tomorrow. BTW, I added a new XP computer to the
LAN and it talked to both B and C, but not A. Computer B has been
shipped to my daughter and replaced by my new computer. The LAN
really helped to migrate to the new computer. Aloha Bob's PC
Relocator was a waste of money. They said it wouldn't work with a hub
and I would have to use a crossover cable. It was easer to do it app
by app than to go out a buy a new cable, and worry about setting up a
2 computer LAN. One reason I want to get A working is to be able to
back up my data to another system. I've been too busy with the new
machine to take care of the latest suggestion.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:19:46 -0500, "Socal Sentinel"
<curtis@orvis-nospamsolutionsnope.net> wrote:
>Donald, ooops, your right not the xp pc, but the first win98 pc.. I am
>saying that they are ip stack messed up, and also competing for the master
>browser of the peer net which eventually nocks one of those 98 pc's off.
>
>Thanks for that one!! your right, not the xp machine
>
>
>"Donald" <dmj@nospam.midsouth.rr.com> wrote in message
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>the
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| Simon Telrenner 2003-11-13, 8:24 pm |
| I think I probably missed a post or two, but did you ever say what may have
changed from the last time you had it working. Did you add any hardware or
software?
Also, you might try to do an ipconfig, just for giggles to make sure the
addressing is hitting the card right.
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"William J. Burlingame" <wjburl@bs.net> wrote in message
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> I'll give that a try tomorrow. BTW, I added a new XP computer to the
> LAN and it talked to both B and C, but not A. Computer B has been
> shipped to my daughter and replaced by my new computer. The LAN
> really helped to migrate to the new computer. Aloha Bob's PC
> Relocator was a waste of money. They said it wouldn't work with a hub
> and I would have to use a crossover cable. It was easer to do it app
> by app than to go out a buy a new cable, and worry about setting up a
> 2 computer LAN. One reason I want to get A working is to be able to
> back up my data to another system. I've been too busy with the new
> machine to take care of the latest suggestion.
>
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:19:46 -0500, "Socal Sentinel"
> <curtis@orvis-nospamsolutionsnope.net> wrote:
>
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